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post #121 of 176
4/20/09 at 9:00am

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You don't need a password:
Transformers on Vimeo

By the way, looks great!!!
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post #122 of 176
4/20/09 at 9:30am

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
But is he the right guy for the job? I would say no.

This story needs to be fairly light and fun rather than dark, serious and brooding like Cameron would surely depict it. That sort of vision isn't what Transformers was and is supposed to be.


Exactly.
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post #123 of 176
4/20/09 at 11:13am

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
Since when is Cameron a brooding or dark filmmaker?

Try forever. The man is obsessed with what he's described as "tech noir", a term he also saw fit to use as the name of the club in The Terminator.

Those who hate Bay go into his films with their opinion on the given film already colored and set in stone...they will mock and laugh at it which is the reason why you couldn't tell the difference between the robots, you didn't care enough to notice and with all due respect that isn't Bay's problem, it's the viewers.

I don't see why it's so complicated, the original cartoons were light, fun and cheesy, why all of a sudden is this material expected to be the next Ben Hur? Simply because a certain property is being expressed on celluloid it's expected to be better than it's source? Why exactly is that?

Bay was the right man to direct this material and he did it more than well enough. If someone doesn't like Transformers or Bay why do they continue to see his films or see a film based on a phenomenon that they completely missed the boat on?

This topic is played out lol.

If one hates Bay, save yourselves a few bucks and don't see his films, it''ll save you the aggravation and spare everyone else the grief of going round and round in a pointless Bay *vs* (insert precieved better director here) debate.
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post #124 of 176
4/20/09 at 2:32pm

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James Cameron has never been a filmmaker so dark that it has alienated mainstream movie goers though. His films may be a tad on the darker side, in the same way some might classify the Lord of the Rings as a dark movie series.

It's still a mainstream movie franchise. The only Cameron film I'd say that goes beyond the pale of popcorn entertainment is maybe the Abyss. To call his films "brooding" is a serious stretch. The Dark Knight is probably darker than anything Cameron has done.

I don't actually have that big of a problem with Michael Bay. I just thought Transformers, even for a Michael Bay film, was pretty weak. It makes Armageddon look like a Woody Allen character piece by comparison. Bay isn't great at constructing/directing action sequences with any tension either, it's all just CGI fluff which in a few years will be dated. I didn't bring up the Cameron-Bay comparisons either, I was just responding to something someone else chose to bring up.
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post #125 of 176
4/21/09 at 7:16am

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True Lies has plenty of humor, whimsy, and teeth. I'm not saying Cameron would be the right guy for TF, but for damn certain would he make a better and smarter film, losing no visual impact or degradation in the action scenes.

Edit: I'd like to clarify the above as it is not fair to Bay's visual prowess. Cameron's superiority comes from his attention to detail on the material and the story. When it comes to scripts...Bay is lazy. As long as he has an action scene, a heavy-handed emotional beat, and some stereotyped humor - he is satisfied. The fundamentals aren't addressed. It is like putting a great paintjob on a boring car. That is why Bay draws such criticism. He has so much potential. He doesn't have to write his own scripts, but at least demand a little more character fidelity and narrative cohesion. The guy just wants to shoot...I get that. But if your script is anemic, it is unfixable in filming or post. Bay is tremendously gifted at some elements of direction, but seemingly uninterested in others. The action scenes in TF2 look good and the narrative scene looked stupid. It is too bad.
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post #126 of 176
4/21/09 at 9:45am

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Why a thread about TRANSFORMERS has continued to be derailed by this Bay vs. Cameron discussion is beyond me.
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post #127 of 176
4/21/09 at 12:55pm

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Doesn't really matter anyway. Bay movies are extremely successful, so regardless of their opinion he is not going anywhere.
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post #128 of 176
4/22/09 at 9:48am

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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
Doesn't really matter anyway. Bay movies are extremely successful, so regardless of their opinion he is not going anywhere.

Couldn't agree more. Studios throw a boatload of money at Bay for his movies but reap the benefits afterwards when they make millions more back. I don't think there's ever been a Bay movie that hasn't been a success. Maybe The Island was the least successful of the bunch but I really doubt they took a loss on it.
TF2 won't be the exception.
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post #129 of 176
4/22/09 at 10:19am

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I don't think a single person has postulated that TF2 will do anything but make a ton of money. That is a given. It also has little to do with discussion about Bay the filmmaker.
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post #130 of 176
4/22/09 at 12:32pm

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The point is that regardless what a bunch of movie snobs, such as this forum (me included) think, these "hack" directors are still in charge of making huge films. Bay and McG come to mind. The business is not driven by quality, it's driven by dollars. So as the consumer you have all the power, just don't EVER pay to see the movie. But we all know that at some point almost every "Bay basher" on this forum will pay money at some point to see Transformers 2. If you see the movie you are part of the problem.

And I enjoyed the first transformers. If I had to wait around for only perfect films to come out then I would need to find a new hobby.
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post #131 of 176
4/22/09 at 1:22pm

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Originally Posted by Steve_Tk
The point is that regardless what a bunch of movie snobs, such as this forum (me included) think, these "hack" directors are still in charge of making huge films. Bay and McG come to mind.


I'd classify people like Brett Ratner and Steven Sommers more as "hack" directors than Bay and possibly even McG(if Terminator Salvation turns out to be good). Ratner and Sommers are so many notches below Bay it's not even funny.
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post #132 of 176
4/22/09 at 3:07pm

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I would add Rob Cohen to that list as well. He's nowhere near the level of Bay.

As far as Transformers movies go, the only things I'm looking for is that it's fun and it's at least as good as the animated series that it's based on. The first movie exceeded all of my expectations. I'm sure the sequel will tool.
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post #133 of 176
4/22/09 at 3:32pm

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Originally Posted by Shaun
I would add Rob Cohen to that list as well. He's nowhere near the level of Bay.


Forgot about him. You're right, he's on the same level as Ratner and Sommers. None of them are anywhere near Bay as far as I'm concerned.
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post #134 of 176
4/22/09 at 8:26pm

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Originally Posted by Brent M
I'd classify people like Brett Ratner and Steven Sommers more as "hack" directors than Bay and possibly even McG(if Terminator Salvation turns out to be good). Ratner and Sommers are so many notches below Bay it's not even funny.

I'd say Sommer's first Mummy flick is actually a pretty well done summer popcorn flick.

I would rank that above Transformers easily. To be honest I had more fun with The Mummy than I did with The Phantom Menace (I think Entertainment Weekly also stated this back in '99).

Van Helsing was terrible though.
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post #135 of 176
4/22/09 at 8:51pm

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
I'd say Sommer's first Mummy flick is actually a pretty well done summer popcorn flick.

I would rank that above Transformers easily. To be honest I had more fun with The Mummy than I did with The Phantom Menace (I think Entertainment Weekly also stated this back in '99).

Van Helsing was terrible though.



I liked The Mummy, but I definitely wouldn't put it above TPM or Transformers. Everything else Sommers has done since The Mummy is complete rubbish.
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post #136 of 176
4/22/09 at 8:59pm

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Originally Posted by Brent M
I liked The Mummy, but I definitely wouldn't put it above TPM or Transformers. Everything else Sommers has done since The Mummy is complete rubbish.

I think The Mummy actually has pretty good characters for a film of that type.

Rachel Weisz is great, and even Brendan Fraser is tolerable. Their chemistry together just works. The Benny character is great too. It was fun and well-paced, for what it is I actually think it's superior to the last Indiana Jones.

And definitely above Transformers (lets face it -- the strongest character in this film is Megan Fox's wardrobe ... sorry Optimus Prime) or TPM.

And I hated to admit that at the time, I didn't even want to admit it to myself because I was so hugely anticipating Star Wars Episode I ... but man that was a flaaaaaaaat film outside of the 5 minutes or so that Darth Maul was on screen.

For me Transformers is roughly equivalent to The Mummy Returns ... which was a considerable step down from the first Mummy. I just cannot give summer films a pass for not having any good characters. I will tolerate outrageous plots and even stupid plots ... but the characters at least have to be there and have to work. That's why the original Star Wars trilogy and the Indiana Jones films and Terminator work so well and stuff like Back to the Future totally nails it.

I don't give summer films a pass on that. That's a huge part of making a good popcorn film. There's an art to making even these so-called "stupid summer blockbusters". I'm hoping that J.J. Abrams nails it with Star Trek, it sounds like he has.
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post #137 of 176
4/22/09 at 9:54pm

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I think we're getting WAY off topic here. We're bouncing around from Cameron to "hack" directors to Star Wars to Star Trek in a TRANSFORMERS thread. All of this stuff has been hashed, rehashed and microwaved a thousand times before and it isn't really necessary here.

BOTTOM LINE: I'm looking forward to Transformers 2 and don't really care if anyone else is or not.
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post #138 of 176
4/23/09 at 8:40am

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I'm paying to see it also, and not because I want to immediately run here and say "I told you so", but because I'm looking forward to it.
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post #139 of 176
4/23/09 at 8:43am

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For the record I also enjoyed The Mummy very much, I also liked both Rush Hour and Red Dragon.
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post #140 of 176
4/23/09 at 2:42pm

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Originally Posted by Brent M
BOTTOM LINE: I'm looking forward to Transformers 2 and don't really care if anyone else is or not.

totally agreed. where the frak is the rest of this crap coming from???
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post #141 of 176
4/24/09 at 8:01am

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After we finish with the Bay vs Cameron can we please discuss who makes the best chili. I personally like mine HOT but others my differ.

I try not to visit any sites for fear of be completely spoiled-

I did not see where anyone answered the question about if any other vehicles will be in the movie besides GM.

Is Megatron going to be back?

Will Bumble Bee get his voice? I hop so because they have played out the radio voice in my opinion.

I know I have saw Ravage in the first trailer so does this mean we get Soundwave. In my, and many of my friends, opinion he had the best voice in the cartoon of all the Transformers.
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post #142 of 176
4/24/09 at 11:10am

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Originally Posted by Matt^Brown
I know I have saw Ravage in the first trailer so does this mean we get Soundwave. In my, and many of my friends, opinion he had the best voice in the cartoon of all the Transformers.
i'm right with you: there wasn't even a distant second to soundwave's voice on the animated series...

if soundwave makes an appearance, they'd better keep the voice. for real.
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post #143 of 176
4/24/09 at 11:11am

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Originally Posted by Matt^Brown
After we finish with the Bay vs Cameron can we please discuss who makes the best chili. I personally like mine HOT but others my differ.

Your chili's a hack that only cares about flavour with no real substance, Hormel makes much better chili with it's content going straight for the gut.

Sorry, just keeping with the flow of things.



I'm not ready to assume that the four legged bot we saw in the trailer is Ravage but I think I have read somewhere, maybe in this thread, that Soundwave will be in this and that Megatron will return.

It was established at the end of the first film that Bumblebee can now speak so I don't see why he won't be able to in this one.
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post #144 of 176
4/26/09 at 8:39pm

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Yes, but who makes the best cinnamon rolls? Cause you CAN'T have a chili cookoff without having cinnamon rolls, it will piss off a lot of chili fans and they will never accept any else's chili again, even if they get a new cook, use new meat or reboot their recipe completely.
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post #145 of 176
4/26/09 at 9:46pm

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Bay to Cameron is a silly comparison to begin with. It's like comparing Stephen Sommers to Steven Spilelberg because based on some narrow criteria like the first Mummy being arguably better than the last Indiana Jones.
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post #146 of 176
4/27/09 at 7:49am

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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
I'm not ready to assume that the four legged bot we saw in the trailer is Ravage but I think I have read somewhere, maybe in this thread, that Soundwave will be in this and that Megatron will return.

It was established at the end of the first film that Bumblebee can now speak so I don't see why he won't be able to in this one.

Sorry I forgot about Bumblebee being able to speak at the end of the first one.

I thought I had read somewhere that the four legged bot was ravage??? I guess I am confused but like I stated I hate to go to any other site to look for information for fear that I will see the whole story. I would like to know a few things but not every detail.

No one stated if there will be any other cars besides GM but I wonder about the Constructicons -- We they be Caterpillar or something else.
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post #147 of 176
4/27/09 at 9:38am

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Originally Posted by Felipe S
You don't need a password:
Transformers on Vimeo

By the way, looks great!!!
After watching that 3rd clip of the collage of Bay films one thing is without question, Bay is second to none when it comes to popcorn films.

I just wish we could get Armageddon on Blu-ray, the film never even got a decent DVD transfer, such a shame.
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post #148 of 176
4/27/09 at 11:21am

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Originally Posted by Pete-D
Bay to Cameron is a silly comparison to begin with. It's like comparing Stephen Sommers to Steven Spilelberg because based on some narrow criteria like the first Mummy being arguably better than the last Indiana Jones.


I thought we were done with this and moving on.
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post #149 of 176
4/27/09 at 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Ron-P
I just wish we could get Armageddon on Blu-ray, the film never even got a decent DVD transfer, such a shame.

A copy of that on Blu would be cool, I watched it in HD not too long ago on OnDemand and it looked sweet.
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post #150 of 176
4/29/09 at 5:14am

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Latest leaked trailer, get it while you can:
--- edit - video has been removed, guess we have to wait until tomorrow---

Looks awesome!
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