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Those are some interesting ideas in regards to a new Indiana Jones game. I can't specifically comment on IJ games, because I have never played any of them.

I have one other suggestion to improve the readability of your posts. When starting a new paragraph, it would be helpful to add a space between them. Spacing your paragraphs out will increase readability a lot.

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Greg_S_H could probably have a better idea what I'm talking about since he's also played the games.

That long post? I copy and pasted that from a word document jobby.

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The new engine looks good. As far as I'm concerned, they could just ape the latest Tomb Raider games in terms of movement and agility. I guess sandbox would work okay as far as an overworld map goes. I don't know that I'd like to have to keep going into the same tombs/ruins over and over.

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Well, I mean it'd be branching exploration for the cities and such. i.e. that direction to go off to the tombs and ruins of a particular area. Perhaps a long stretch of road or something to mask loading times? Sort of in the style of GTA IV where you as the character can go into buildings and drive vehicles.
It'd be sandbox for a particular area I'm guessing. Have the map be non-linear as possible in the style of FoA with open exploration. Meaning certain parts of the game you have an option with going to various places on an Indiana Jones style map.
As long as it's made to fullest capacity for kickarseness, I'd happily buy this. Keep all the sound effects from the films and such, it'd be great. Of course I'm hoping for the game to take place during WWII. Possibly 1942 or 1943. I've always looked at the Indiana Jones series as a slight alternate history type thing.
Uh, yeah.

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The WWII era could feature Mac as a major character. That would deepen the betrayal in Crystal Skull.

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Perhaps some random missions with Mac? Also random conversation, if Mac is featured in the game, to call Indy "Jonesy" occasionally. I'd just like a reaffirmation and comeback for Short Round. Perhaps he assists you someway in an area? Would be great for him to say, "Keep in touch Dr. Jones."
Just random brainstorming for the game. Say you're on an ocean voyage as part of one of the map travel scenes. Game unexpectedly cuts to the ship and you have to fight hijackers. Could be great fun. Of course people would naturally assume the map travel parts would be loading screens so it'll keep them fun. Well, could be an expected thing but the occasional Indiana Jones'ish stuff would be perfect. Of course cutscenes with great acting too.
In fact, I'd enjoy TWO Indiana Jones 3D video games. Perhaps keep them linked? Of course both could have downloadable content and such. They could be linked in some way. After the credits of the one which takes place earlier chronologically, it'll say, ala James Bond, to play the other one to tie up loose plotlines. Of course both should be able to stand on their own but linked in someway. If LucasArts decided to release two at once. Well, not at the same time but a few months apart. Could even have the games check the hard drives to see which artifacts you have in the last game left over. Well, not for casual players but for those wanting to complete a full Indy Quotient.
Last but certainly not the very least. XBOX 360 Achievements. I'd love for LucasArts to fashion them in the same styles as BioShock, The Orange Box, GTA IV, Dead Rising and other games. More-so where there's random achievements for doing cool Indiana Jones type things and of course doing the storyline. Have alot of them fun and a "Holy cow that was cool and I got an unexpected achievement for it!" factor. Dead Rising since you also get the achievement but it also does some extra in-game or whatever content wise.
The game has alot of great potential and I agree with ya Greg. Keep it with the engine they were using and the dexterity of the next gen Lara Croft games. Of course with physics also pertaining to the environment.
Well, take what was perfect with Fate of Atlantis, Infernal Machine and Emperor's Tomb. Take the engine LucasArts instead used for The Force Unleashed and impliment that with even more refinement and tuning for Indiana Jones Next Gen 3D.

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Please, no, no more Mac. I thought he was the "jar jar" of Crystal Skull.

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So I saw this for a third time on Saturday afternoon. I think my view of it is cemented at this point: it's a decent movie that starts very well and putters out seriously at the end. I also think it had a very solid core story but a script and, at times, direction that didn't translate that story well to screen.

As an example, I think the idea of having Marion return is solid, but in her "return" scene the dialogue is pretty limp, giving Ford and Allen nothing to really work with. Also, it was understandable that Allen would be a bit rusty, but she never really succeeded in convincing me that she was playing the same character she had played in Raiders. She really needed more of an edge (instead, she smiled most of the time), and I really thought she should have punched Indy right at the get-go.

Another example of uninspired direction: Mac's death. It was pretty boring. He just lays there on the concrete and Indy tried to throw his whip to him. Mac grabs it but just lets go eventually. There was little tension here and I think it was due to the staging and direction. There were lots of these moments in the film (the making of book even indicates that Spielberg wanted to make it clear that, when Spalko throws the monkey off the cliff, it didn't die but survived!). Moments like these multiply (another big offender is not showing the Russians mowing down the Ughas) and dilute the sense of tension or danger from the film.

As I said, I like the film well enough, but I am harder on films that start well and then finish poorly, which is my assessment of Crystal Skull. I just loved everything right up to Marion's introduction, and then the missteps begin, IMHO.

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Ah yes. Welcome to the forum Ray!

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I haven't been to the theater in quite a while, and we decided to splurge to see the new Indiana Jones. While I enjoyed it for what it was, I don't think it stands anywhere near Raiders and Last Crusade. Those two will always be my favorite Indiana movies. Temple of Doom was just okay.

I'm not a terribly big Shia fan and although he did a decent job in this new movie, I can't see them holding together more films with him as the main character.

As for this new movie... not one I would see again.

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I'm talking about for a video game. Showing him as a serious ally for Indy would maybe strengthen his role in the movie for you i.

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Thanks for enlarging your font Ray. Now as Edwin suggests let's now shift to forming paragraphs.

Nice summary Chris.

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Good point. I liked Mac. Even want to see him help Indy during WWII would be great. Of course there'd be war scenes in the game if LucasArts did that.
I'm gonna get ready for my second viewing of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Afterwards I'm gonna pick up the three books I'm missing from the 1990's Bantam book series and The Complete Making of Indiana Jones. AND of course some other errands too of course!

Sam, I've been on the forum since 2004!

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Turns out there is something to this story of the audio drop-outs being intentional:

Indiana Jones Soundtrack Intentionally Muted In Theaters


Point of fact: I asked for - and got - my money back for the seven tickets I purchased for opening day. Yikes, is Paramount this stupid?

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Yes, but it's only now that I can see you!

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I think the key words in this story are:


I'm not sure I'm convinced that this is the case. I've seen the film 3 times now in different theaters have have yet to hear a drop out.

Doug

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i didnt notice a drop out when i saw it.
if it happened i coudn't tell.

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I saw it earlier today for the second time at a DTS equipped theater. Noticed zero audio dropouts.

I bought the following from my local bookstore:

The Complete Making of Indiana Jones

And the three following to complete my collection of the 1990's Bantam book series:

Indiana Jones and the Peril at Delphi
Indiana Jones and the Philosopher's Stone
Indiana Jones and the Dinosaur Eggs

So all-in-all, a great day!

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I picked up the Complete Making of Indiana Jones also. I'm about halfway through the Crusade section. Some interesting stuff I didn't know.

Doug

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jones' had a philosopher's stone too?

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Saw it. Loved it. Way better than I was expecting it to be.

I did hear the surround channels drop out during the jungle chase for about a second.

Anybody catch the sly reference to the original King Kong?

EDIT: I meant Mighty Joe Young. I get my giant ape movies mixed up sometimes!

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Yup! Two years before Harry Pooper! AND the Philosopher's Stone was also featured in the comic book Indiana Jones and the Iron Phoenix. OF WHICH is collected in Volume Two of the Indiana Jones Omnibus.

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kong kong? nope what was it?

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Not all people are 80-year old like you..

(just kidding)

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Regarding the audio dropouts on IJ IV. I meandered my way to a forum for industry workers called Film-Tech. There is a big discussion amongst projectionists in regards to the audio CAP applied to IJ by Paramount. They even have some pictures of the CAP that has been applied to the soundtrack on the film.

These guys have had the same experience as some people on this board. Some have noticed dropouts and others haven't. According to a letter sent out by Paramount or the contracted Print Lab (can't remember which), the audio CAP is supposed to cause the digital track to drop out to analog at various points. Paramount or Deluxe also told them that the theater sound system is out of calibration if people are noticing differences.

Anyone who is interested and wants to read projectionists' views may want to google the forum.

I also found projectionists' reviews of IJ to be interesting. Perceptions roughly parallel the ones expressed here. I do find the Lucas bashing amusing. Everything wrong with the film seemed to automatically be blamed on Lucas. I just don't get that. IJ IV was a collaborative effort. Everything in the film, IMO, was agreed to by all of the principals, so I would say that blaming Lucas for the weaknesses in the film is really unfair. Lucas and Spielberg are equally to blame for what appears on screen, because they both would have had to agree on the final result.

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Interesting forum and discussion. I also tend to agree with you about the Lucas bashing, but I'm sure people's opinions of the Star Wars prequels heavily influence their thoughts. Spielberg hasn't had near the backlash that Lucas has had to deal with in recent years and I think that helps him to be more immune to the criticism.

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Yep. I didn't post a link because I wasn't sure whether the mods would appreciate links being posted to another forum.

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Anyone who is disappointed with KOTCS, and thinks it's all Lucas' fault, should definitely read the 2 KOTCS chapters in "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones." After you do I think you'll see that there is plenty of blame to go around.

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I kinda thumbed through it yesterday. I'm definately gonna have to pick this up someday.

I knew that Lucas wrote a draft back in the early 90's, but I didn't know he wrote one in between Darabont's and Nathanson's. If I remember right, Nathanson was brought in and worked with Lucas to try to get his latest script to work. It was after that, when Lucas/Nathanson couldn't get it to work, that they brought in Koepp, and Lucas pretty much left Koepp and SS alone to work on a draft, that would end up being the shooting script.

Even though I knew it, it was also mentioned that, even though Lucas gets to do an edit of each film, SS has final say on what gets locked. If there's a change that Lucas made and SS doesn't like it, which, according to SS, rarely happens, SS will change it back.

Was there any other good stuff that I glanced over?