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post #181 of 434
5/27/08 at 8:41pm

Re: Interesting new Indiana Jones 4 news

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I think the cost to Ray should have been his son's life, but it didn't ruin it for me.

I can see that. But it wouldn't bother me either way.

Doug
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post #182 of 434
5/27/08 at 9:27pm

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I know this is an Indy thread, but War of the Worlds was superb. The ending with his son still being alive was the only part where I was left scratching my head. Those aliens had one mission--to exterminate all life. And that's just what they did. The cinematography, direction, and visual effects were all first rate. This film simply blew the doors off of Independence Day.

You wanna talk about Spielberg's clunkers? How about Hook, Always, The Lost World, and 1941? No one is perfect, and even the great Spielberg has made a few flops. But in my opinion, War of the Worlds, is not one of them.
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post #183 of 434
5/27/08 at 9:57pm

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Originally Posted by AaronMan
I know this is an Indy thread, but War of the Worlds was superb. The ending with his son still being alive was the only part where I was left scratching my head. Those aliens had one mission--to exterminate all life. And that's just what they did. The cinematography, direction, and visual effects were all first rate. This film simply blew the doors off of Independence Day.

You wanna talk about Spielberg's clunkers? How about Hook, Always, The Lost World, and 1941? No one is perfect, and even the great Spielberg has made a few flops. But in my opinion, War of the Worlds, is not one of them.

Well I liked Always and 1941 is one of he funniest movies of all time in my opinion.

Doug
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post #184 of 434
5/27/08 at 9:57pm

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I'm sure Spielberg and Lucas would love to tell stories about Indy's time during the war, but it would require a recast. Maybe Indy should be like Bond in that a new actor could be found from time to time, but I think it's too late for that. It's too heavily tied to Harrison Ford.

I don't want to be rude, and it is probably rude to ask somebody to change their settings, but I think your posts could benefit from a larger font size. It's really hard for me to read that little text. Of course, if you absolutely don't want to consider this, it is entirely your business.
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post #185 of 434
5/27/08 at 10:22pm

Re: Interesting new Indiana Jones 4 news

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I'm sure Spielberg and Lucas would love to tell stories about Indy's time during the war, but it would require a recast. Maybe Indy should be like Bond in that a new actor could be found from time to time, but I think it's too late for that. It's too heavily tied to Harrison Ford.

I don't want to be rude, and it is probably rude to ask somebody to change their settings, but I think your posts could benefit from a larger font size. It's really hard for me to read that little text. Of course, if you absolutely don't want to consider this, it is entirely your business.
I was looking at it and damn my font size is puny! I increased it a bit.

Perhaps if Lucasfilm ever decided to go into an Indiana Jones animooted series they could probably do it. I should work on that list of actors I'd like to see lend their voice to something like this.
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post #186 of 434
5/28/08 at 4:31am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
The book ends exactly as the movie does. The Martians die because of exposure to viruses ...

Wells was making a point ....

This is a classic ground breaking science fiction story, ...
Yes, and it's still a terrible ending for an action movie.
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post #187 of 434
5/28/08 at 6:39am

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What's wrong with the last line? Isn't straight from the book? Just don't understand the criticism about the ending of WOTW. Did anyone read the book, it's the same ending. Why is the ending good enough for a classic book but not a Spielberg movie?
I just mean the line where the narrator speaks of God. It just sounded too religious and cheap. I have no problem with the ending itself. It's just the God line that ruins it a little. You want to immediately respond, hey what if they come back with cheap plastic outfits and defeat God's master plan?
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post #188 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:05am

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Yes, and it's still a terrible ending for an action movie.

I'm not so sure I would classify WOTW as an action film.
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post #189 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:20am

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Originally Posted by DaveF
Yes, and it's still a terrible ending for an action movie.

Thats probably because it's not an action movie. It's a science fiction film that happens to have action in it.

Doug
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post #190 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:24am

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Originally Posted by Sam Davatchi
I just mean the line where the narrator speaks of God. It just sounded too religious and cheap. I have no problem with the ending itself. It's just the God line that ruins it a little. You want to immediately respond, hey what if they come back with cheap plastic outfits and defeat God's master plan?

Again the line about God comes directly from the novel. It's part of the theme of Wells' story. That line was also used in Orson Welles radio version, as well as the 1953 film version.

Doug
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post #191 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:53am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
If that were the case why did Speed Racer die?

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There is a reason that this movie has a B- user rating on Yahoo. People are really enjoying it.

1) Because NOBODY WANTED TO SEE IT. The marketing failed.
Marketing isn't the be all and end all of success. Sometimes you just have to accept the fact that people aren't interested in a product, regardless of how it's marketed (as in the case of New Coke, the Edsel, or the midi).
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post #192 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:58am

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I'll agree with that, Robert. People weren't (and aren't) interested in Speed Racer. At all. I should have been more specific on that point.

And they were very interested in Indiana Jones. Clearly.
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post #193 of 434
5/28/08 at 8:03am

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I just mean the line where the narrator speaks of God. It just sounded too religious and cheap. I have no problem with the ending itself. It's just the God line that ruins it a little. You want to immediately respond, hey what if they come back with cheap plastic outfits and defeat God's master plan?



Again the line about God comes directly from the novel. It's part of the theme of Wells' story. That line was also used in Orson Welles radio version, as well as the 1953 film version.
The complaint about the ending reminds of complaints about the ending of Return of the King:

"I hated the ending! It went on too long!"

But the book had a long ending too.

"I don't care! Truncate it!"

This despite the raging controversy about how many changes had already been made from the book.
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post #194 of 434
5/28/08 at 10:45am

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"People weren't (and aren't) interested in Speed Racer. At all."

It'll be interesting to see how Speed Racer does on home video. Quite a few movies that get ignored in theaters come back strong then.
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post #195 of 434
5/28/08 at 11:09am

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People are a lot more willing to check things out at home. So we'll see. I tend to think it'll find a pretty strong audience at home, but it's so far in the red, it'll take some time to crawl out.

I'll be interested in how Indy holds and how it sells at home. I've met few people IRL who were very enthusiastic about it. Consider this dichomotomy: you've seen my posts in this thread...now I'm the guy defending the film at work No one hates it, but no one seems impressed by it. And these were folks way more excited about it than me a week ago.

I still think it'll hold well, because SATC is not siphoning it's audience. And WoM is pointless for a sequel to something so entrenched in the pop culture zeitgeist.
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post #196 of 434
5/28/08 at 2:38pm

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Thats probably because it's not an action movie. It's a science fiction film that happens to have action in it.
It's lousy ending for that movie too I enjoyed WOTW from the get go, but that ending was wholly unsatisfying. As Douglas Adams said in a University Lecture, the problem with most stories from daily life is that they are missing a beginning, or a middle, or an end, and so they're not good stories to tell. WOTW felt like that: it was missing its ending.

Anywho...I need to borrow a friend's Indy trilogy. I've not watched them in years, and am not sure I've seen Doom since the theater 20-ish years ago.

As much as I enjoyed Indy IV in the theater, I don't think I'll rewatch it. I fear that it won't hold up to repeated viewings.
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post #197 of 434
5/28/08 at 3:08pm

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Originally Posted by DaveF
As much as I enjoyed Indy IV in the theater, I don't think I'll rewatch it. I fear that it won't hold up to repeated viewings.

Oh, I dunno. I went for a second viewing today, and enjoyed it more than the first time. To each his own, of course.
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post #198 of 434
5/28/08 at 3:14pm

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I enjoyed it on Sunday, and it has only grown in stature as I've thought about it since then. I don't know if I'll go see it again--I vowed to go see Iron Man again and haven't done it--but I would like to. I definitely look forward to owning it.

I've had the Indy box set since it came out in 2003, but only watched Raiders back then and didn't watch it again or the others at all until just last week. Now that that mini-marathon and Indy IV have given me the Indy glow, I'm going to try to watch these films more often.

Looking over that wording, I have to clarify that I didn't watch the *discs* until last week. I saw all the movies at the theater during their original releases. Until the other day, that was the last time I'd seen any of them in their OAR, I believe.
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post #199 of 434
5/28/08 at 3:55pm

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Sit back, turn off your brain, enjoy the film. Not as good as Raiders, Not as good as Lost Crusade. Different than Temple of Doom.

The commies worked decently enough as replacements for Nazis. Didn't much care for Indy's british partner (MacHale?). The years have not been kind to Miss Ravenwood.
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post #200 of 434
5/28/08 at 4:14pm

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don;t start with the brain thing.. that is total bullshit..
the expression of leaving your brain at the door.. bullshit.
enjoy the movie for what it is.

Jacob
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post #201 of 434
5/28/08 at 5:18pm

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Originally Posted by TheBat
don;t start with the brain thing.. that is total bullshit..
the expression of leaving your brain at the door.. bullshit.
enjoy the movie for what it is.

Jacob


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post #202 of 434
5/28/08 at 7:37pm

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post #203 of 434
5/28/08 at 10:17pm

Re: *** Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Discussion Thread

Well I, for one, think that the THE LOST WORLD was worse than WAR OF THE WORLDS could ever be: however, I'm biased because I think that JURASSIC PARK was complete shit too.

WOTW's biggest mistake was that his family miraculously survives the alien invasion, even though they were smack in the middle of a major city that would have been under attack. The rest of the ending was completely consistent with the book's ending. It would have been stupid to end the film any other way than by the book's ending. It amazes me that people would actually think that Well's classic story should have had the ending changed.

Of course, again, I'm biased. I'm one of the few that thinks that the ending for LOTR didn't go far enough. Cutting out the Scouring of the Shire was a mistake. Please don't tell me how it would have been anti-climactic, because I don't care. Cutting the scouring ruined the circularity of the entire story.

Right now, I still think IJ & THE KOTCS was more entertaining than TOD, even though TEMPLE actually has a better story. I will have see the film again in order to solidify my feelings regarding KOTCS. However, I will have to wait until it comes out on DVD as I do not believe the film is good enough to warrant another theatrical viewing.
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post #204 of 434
5/29/08 at 5:57am

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Originally Posted by JeremyErwin
Sit back, turn off your brain, enjoy the film. Not as good as Raiders, Not as good as Lost Crusade. Different than Temple of Doom.

Well said. This is one of those films, where you don´t want to "over-analyze" etc. This is *pure* entertainment, action and adventure, nothing more and nothing less. Not masterpiece by any means, but great and fun ride. Perhaps too much "action" and too little "adventure" for my taste, though..

Edwin, IMO "The Lost Word" is probably the worst film by Spielberg (first is very good and 3rd is also quite decent). I always also liked "War of the Worlds (2005)" (like with new Indy, it´s debatable how "good" the ending is, though).
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post #205 of 434
5/29/08 at 9:12am

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Ugh.. caught Indy this past weekend. The entire film seemed like it was written on a cocktail napkin to me... like Lucas and Spielberg just made it up as they went.

I realize Harrison Ford is old... but this movie was mainly riding on nostalgia with very little action. Also, too many studio scenes as opposed to location shots... it really gave the film a low budget feel for me. Lame. C'mon Speilberg.. this is freakin' Indiana Jones!! Drop some coin! Sheesh.
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post #206 of 434
5/29/08 at 10:04am

Re: *** Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by Dave Poehlman
Ugh.. caught Indy this past weekend. The entire film seemed like it was written on a cocktail napkin to me... like Lucas and Spielberg just made it up as they went.

I realize Harrison Ford is old... but this movie was mainly riding on nostalgia with very little action. Also, too many studio scenes as opposed to location shots... it really gave the film a low budget feel for me. Lame. C'mon Speilberg.. this is freakin' Indiana Jones!! Drop some coin! Sheesh.


Well it did cost $185 million. And contrary to what others have said, about 70 or 80% of the jungle chase was done in Hawaii with the other 20 or so percent being done as blue screen of some kind. Not unlike the ratio of the mine car sequence in Temple of Doom.

I'm wondering if thats why so many people have problems with this sequence? I wonder if the effects shots stand out so much for some people because they are cut so directly with live action footage shot on location? The Mine Car sequence it's fairly easy to hide because its dark and everything is on a set, but the jungle chase is right out in the day light. Not as easy to hide the flaws.

Doug
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post #207 of 434
5/29/08 at 10:54am

Re: *** Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Discussion Thread

To me the vast majority of the jungle chase looks artificial. I don't know if they played around with the color timing on the "real" shots to better match the effects shots but the result is that it feels like very little looks like it was done on location.
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post #208 of 434
5/29/08 at 11:18am

Re: *** Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by Kevin Grey
To me the vast majority of the jungle chase looks artificial.

Perhaps this was partly "intentional"?

In any case, the "jungle chase" was too over-the-top and indeed visually "artificial" to be 100% satisfying for my taste. And the ending was disappointing. For my taste.

But, if this really was their best script in 14 years (or so), I have to be slightly amazed.. It was that damn Lucas again.

Still, let´s face it; "Indy 4" was like 5 times better than "Star Wars: Episode 1", when it comes to films with HUGE expectations and all that. It´s pretty much *impossible* to satisfy all the fans with the films like these two, but to me Indy "delivered enough". "Star Wars: Episode 1" didn´t. "Hobbit"-films probably have the similar fate as "Indy4". They can´t live up to those impossible expectations.

I honestly feel, that they should do the 5th one. Now that Indy4 is "under way", it´s probably easier to do "one more". Less pressure and characters again introduced for the audience.. So, one more boys!
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post #209 of 434
5/29/08 at 11:28am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
The book ends exactly as the movie does. The ***************.

No spoilers tags? I mean you tell the whole ending of the film... And this is "Indy4"-thread after all (people come to read the thread after seeing the film, but they might not have seen WotW..)
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post #210 of 434
5/29/08 at 11:36am

Re: *** Official Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Discussion Thread

Surely the statute of limitations on unmarked spoilers has passed by now-- War of the Worlds is 110 years old!
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