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Transformers BD 09/02/08

post #1 of 62
5/26/08 at 6:05pm
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Michael Bay may finally be smiling...

According to Blu-Ray.com:

"The release is expected to mirror the previous HD DVD release (minus the glitches, of course). "

This is unofficial...
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post #2 of 62
5/26/08 at 6:09pm

Re: Transformers BD 09/02/08

Glitches?
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post #3 of 62
5/26/08 at 8:07pm
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Re: Transformers BD 09/02/08

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...rs-hd-dvd.html
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post #4 of 62
5/26/08 at 8:41pm

Re: Transformers BD 09/02/08

Any word on if this version has lossless audio since Blu-Ray doesn't support Dolby Digital + at bitrates as high as the HD-DVD edition?
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post #5 of 62
5/26/08 at 11:28pm

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I sure hope it does. The main reason I gave up support of HD-DVD was due to the lack of lossless audio tracks. Most Blu's have lossless so I bet this will get one.
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post #6 of 62
5/26/08 at 11:39pm

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I believe it will have Dolby True HD. I found this out on thedigitalbits.com several weeks ago. They had posted tons of Paramount bluray announcements, and I believe there was a sentence that stated Paramount was planning to use Dolby True HD as their audio of choice for their future blu-ray releases. Hope this is true.
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post #7 of 62
5/27/08 at 2:08am

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Let´s hope that the "lossless"-track is finally included. This film is all about SOUND, whether you actually like the film or not..
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post #8 of 62
5/27/08 at 6:25am

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Of course, Dolby TrueHD won't help a lot of the people who were complaining about sound problems with the HD DVD. Most of them were using an S/PDIF connection, which means they weren't even listening to the DD+ track. They were listening to DD+ transcoded to something else (either standard DD or standard DTS). If those people use the same type of connection with a Blu-ray player and a TrueHD track, they'll probably get a "hidden" standard DD track (included for compatability), which may or may not meet their expectations.

M.
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post #9 of 62
5/27/08 at 7:34am

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So I guess the rumors from BD insiders a few months ago that this would have a PCM track when it hit BD was BS.

"The release is expected to mirror the previous HD DVD release"

Doesn't seem to be the case based on the above.
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post #10 of 62
5/27/08 at 8:45am

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
So I guess the rumors from BD insiders a few months ago that this would have a PCM track when it hit BD was BS.

"The release is expected to mirror the previous HD DVD release"

Doesn't seem to be the case based on the above.
Uh, no. It's expected to get a lossless track, which is more or less what the insiders said. The "mirror" is in reference to the special features (i.e., it will be a 2-disc set with BD-Live and 1080p featurettes).
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post #11 of 62
5/27/08 at 12:42pm

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No need to debate just yet, guys. We need confirmed specs and then we fully know..

IMO, I don´t see any reason why they wouldn´t add all the "HD DVD extras", but I see plenty of reasons (50gb for starters! ) why they probably add "lossless"..

Mr. Bay, are you listening? It´s time to support this Blu-ray-release.
No comments from Bay just yet (then again, all the threads on this forum has 0 replies, lol)..
true info about Transformers on Blu-ray? - The Official Michael Bay Forums
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post #12 of 62
5/27/08 at 6:40pm

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I know some have had issues with the sound on the HD-DVD, but I got to say it always amazes me to read this as this HD-DVD soundtrack, and the LFE it particular is absolutely mind blowing! I just rewatched this on Sun bitstreaming the DD+ out of my A35 to my Onkyo 885 to decode and I would put this soundtrack in the top 2 or 3 best tracks I have heard on EITHER HD-DVD or BR. The LFE in particular is so "thick" and powerfull that it is truly a stunner. I just added a second sub (PB13) to my other sub (12/2 Ultra) and this movie put the duals to the test like nothing I have heard yet in my HT. The last ~30 min are absolutely hold on to your seat relentless in the LFE department. Felt like the room was going to come down on top of me feeling. I wonder why some are not getting what they should be in the LFE department from this film? All I know is bitstreaming this track produces one of the best sonic experiences available in HT audio.
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post #13 of 62
5/27/08 at 11:05pm

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Originally Posted by Todd smith
I know some have had issues with the sound on the HD-DVD, but I got to say it always amazes me to read this as this HD-DVD soundtrack, and the LFE it particular is absolutely mind blowing! I just rewatched this on Sun bitstreaming the DD+ out of my A35 to my Onkyo 885 to decode and I would put this soundtrack in the top 2 or 3 best tracks I have heard on EITHER HD-DVD or BR. The LFE in particular is so "thick" and powerfull that it is truly a stunner. I just added a second sub (PB13) to my other sub (12/2 Ultra) and this movie put the duals to the test like nothing I have heard yet in my HT. The last ~30 min are absolutely hold on to your seat relentless in the LFE department. Felt like the room was going to come down on top of me feeling. I wonder why some are not getting what they should be in the LFE department from this film? All I know is bitstreaming this track produces one of the best sonic experiences available in HT audio.
Oh, it's an outstanding soundtrack but just think how much better it will sound with a lossless track.
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post #14 of 62
5/28/08 at 6:06am

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Originally Posted by Jari K
No need to debate just yet, guys. We need confirmed specs and then we fully know..

IMO, I don´t see any reason why they wouldn´t add all the "HD DVD extras", but I see plenty of reasons (50gb for starters! ) why they probably add "lossless"..
Speak of the devil!

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Title: Transformers
Starring: Shia LaBeouf
Released: 2nd September 2008
SRP: Price TBC

Further Details:
Paramount Home Entertainment has announced a Blu-ray edition of Transformers which stars Shia LaBeouf, and Megan Fox. The Michael Bay film will be available to own from the 2nd September. The film itself will be presented in anamorphic widescreen, along with English 5.1 Dolby Digital Plus, 5.1 Dolby TrueHD, and 5.1 PCM (Uncompressed) tracks. Extras will include a commentary by Michael Bay, multiple HD featurettes (The Story Sparks, Human Allies, I Fight Giant Robots, Battleground, Rise of the Robots, Autobots Roll Out, Decepticons Strike, Inside the AllSpark, Transformers Tech Inspector, From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack, Concepts), the teaser and theatrical trailers, BD-Live Features, and eastereggs (Michael Bay Cameo, Girl in Dress, Bay Bot, Casting Mojo). Stay tuned for artwork.
Transformers (US - BD RA) in News > Releases at DVDActive

All the features including the PiP and web interactivity. It even adds an HD "Iron Man" trailer! I do so love being right...
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post #15 of 62
5/28/08 at 6:12am

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BTW, apparently Paramount will also announce that we'll be getting "Beowulf: Director's Cut" and all of the "Jack Ryan" box set movies (as individual titles, probably due to the box set SNAFU) on July 29, with "Madagascar" and "Shrek the Third" hitting September 16.
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post #16 of 62
5/28/08 at 6:34am

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Congratulations.

I assume the BD Jack Ryan set will "mirror" the HD DVD version and be devoid of extras. Can you enlighten us Oh Great One?
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post #17 of 62
5/28/08 at 7:11am

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Congratulations.

I assume the BD Jack Ryan set will "mirror" the HD DVD version and be devoid of extras. Can you enlighten us Oh Great One?
No details other than it apparently won't be a box set anymore. If the rumors that these are "warehoused" BDs that Paramount held onto after the HD DVD switch, I would assume they are indeed barebones. Even if they weren't they might be ported over from the HD DVD which still results in no extras.

ETA: Several sites such as DVD Town and DVD Active have confirmed most of the info in my previous posts, and it looks like we'll getting all the info by the end of the day.
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post #18 of 62
5/28/08 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
*Dolby TrueHD, and 5.1 PCM

*Extras will include a commentary by Michael Bay..
...multiple HD featurettes (The Story Sparks, Human Allies, I Fight Giant Robots, Battleground, Rise of the Robots, Autobots Roll Out, Decepticons Strike, Inside the AllSpark)..
...Transformers Tech Inspector...
...From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack, Concepts
..the teaser and theatrical trailers..
...BD-Live Features
...and eastereggs (Michael Bay Cameo, Girl in Dress, Bay Bot, Casting Mojo).

Now that´s more like it. BOTH Dolby TrueHD and PCM sounds a bit overkill, but then again it´s nice to compare these two audio formats.

Based on the quick look, all extras (from the HD DVD) are indeed included (if "BD-Live Features" means "Transformers Heads Up Display" PiP commentary), but not sure about the web based-extras...

Btw. Like the link says, "Bee Movie" and "Cloverfield" are "R0", so it´s pretty safe to say that this one is also (and other releases). No region coding..
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post #19 of 62
5/28/08 at 7:57am

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Originally Posted by Jari K
Based on the quick look, all extras (from the HD DVD) are indeed included (if "BD-Live Features" means "Transformers Heads Up Display" PiP commentary), but not sure about the web based-extras...
Here's a complete list of extras:

* Commentary: Commentary by Director Michael Bay
* Featurette: OUR WORLD:
* Featurette: The Story Sparks HD
* Featurette: Human Allies HD
* Featurette: I Fight Giant Robots HD
* Featurette: Battleground HD
* Featurette: THEIR WAR:
* Featurette: Rise of the Robots HD
* Featurette: Autobots Roll Out HD
* Featurette: Decepticons Strike HD
* Featurette: Inside the AllSpark HD
* Featurette: Transformers Tech Inspector (TBD) HD
* Trailers: TRAILERS (will play after the feature via a menu)
* Trailers: Iron Man Trailer HD
* Featurette: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE
* Trailers: Transformers Teaser Trailer HD
* Trailers: Rise of the Autobots HD
* Other: Transformers H.U.D. (Heads Up Display)
* Other: BD-Live Features (TBD)
* Featurette: From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack HD
* Featurette: Concepts HD
* Trailers: Trailers HD:
* Trailers: Teaser Trailer 1 HD
* Trailers: Theatrical Trailer 2 HD
* Trailers: Theatrical Trailer 4 HD
* Easter Eggs: EASTER EGGS:
* Easter Eggs: Michael Bay Cameo HD
* Easter Eggs: Girl in Dress HD
* Easter Eggs: Bay Bot HD
* Easter Eggs: Casting Mojo HD

The "Transformers H.U.D." should be the PiP (which is referred to by BD specs as Bonus View), while the BD-Live features are the web interactivity.
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post #20 of 62
5/28/08 at 8:02am

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
The "Transformers H.U.D." should be the PiP (which is referred to by BD specs as Bonus View), while the BD-Live features are the web interactivity.

Ah, yes, I got confused.

Of course:

*Bonus View AKA Profile 1.1
*BD-Live AKA Profile 2.0 AKA web interactivity
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post #21 of 62
5/28/08 at 9:23am

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This is one title I have on HD-DVD that I'll gladly "double dip" for on Blu-Ray. I can't wait to hear the TrueHD and PCM tracks.
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post #22 of 62
5/28/08 at 9:32am

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Holy crap, the news keeps on coming. The same source for the Paramount info that is being confirmed as we speak sez Scorsese's Rolling Stones docu "Shine A Light" is coming July 29, in TrueHD 5.1!
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post #23 of 62
5/28/08 at 9:58am

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Since I already own this title on HDDVD and I won't be buying a stand-alone Blu-ray 2.0 player until 2009, I'll pass on the BD version. No biggie since it's a great film. Will both discs for the BD be dual layered though? Glad it has lossless audio for the BD. This film is literally my most watched HDDVD's. Felt like being a kid again watching this.
Just don't really see the need to double dip on a title I'm satisfied with on HDDVD. To be perfectly honest and frank, it'll save me money to only buy titles on BD which are fully exclusive to the format. Hell, I also would need to buy a brand new receiver!
"Foony" thing though, I am gonna buy TRANSFORMERS 2 on Blu-ray of course.
Um, can anyone say possible start for a Unicron saga for the next film?

Oh oh oh! TRANSFORMERS: The Movie is already on BD but from Region B UK. Don't fret, it's actually Region "X" aka Region 0. DO fret since it has zero extras!
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post #24 of 62
5/28/08 at 10:44am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
Holy crap, the news keeps on coming. The same source for the Paramount info that is being confirmed as we speak sez Scorsese's Rolling Stones docu "Shine A Light" is coming July 29, in TrueHD 5.1!


That is AWESOME news!!!
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post #25 of 62
5/28/08 at 11:22am

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Originally Posted by Wayne_j
Any word on if this version has lossless audio since Blu-Ray doesn't support Dolby Digital + at bitrates as high as the HD-DVD edition?
Blu-ray does support DD+; there just haven't been any releases that I'm aware of that use it. DD+ is required for bitrates higher than 640. Some DD+ tracks were only 640 (HD DVD required + for this bitrate) and got DD on Blu-ray, which could handle the 640 bitrate just fine with DD.

Though there were 1.5 DD+ tracks that lacked an equivalent on Blu-ray.
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post #26 of 62
5/28/08 at 5:38pm
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Re: Transformers BD 09/02/08

Audio:
-Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital Plus 5.1, Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and uncompressed PCM 5.1.

Video:
New encode for BD, supervised by Michael Bay. 1080p AVC.
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post #27 of 62
5/28/08 at 7:18pm

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Originally Posted by Keith Paynter
Audio:
-Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Digital Plus 5.1, Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and uncompressed PCM 5.1.

Video:
New encode for BD, supervised by Michael Bay. 1080p AVC.

Simply awesome!
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post #28 of 62
5/28/08 at 9:18pm

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Sweet.... I am so buying this title again on Blu-ray especially with a Dolby True HD track.
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post #29 of 62
5/28/08 at 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by Keith Paynter
Video:
New encode for BD, supervised by Michael Bay. 1080p AVC.

Where this info comes from?

Anyway, this makes sense. HD DVD was mastered with "max 30gb" in mind (like many others during the format war, I guess), so new encode has "50gb" in use.
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post #30 of 62
5/29/08 at 4:14pm

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Originally Posted by Jari K
Where this info comes from?

Anyway, this makes sense. HD DVD was mastered with "max 30gb" in mind (like many others during the format war, I guess), so new encode has "50gb" in use.
Should I double dip this anyway for my collection since I bought TRANSFORMERS on HDDVD for only $10? I mean it has the same exact extras but for the film disc is/most likely gonna utilise a BD-50 and lossless audio. I don't mind owning TRANSFORMERS 2 on BD but what would be the point of me doubling a film I already own in HD? I mean I don't have a BD player yet (I'm in the market for a stand-alone low priced 2.0 one), I'd need to buy a new receiver to take care of all the different cabling my current one is overloaded with and also for lossless audio, finally an HDTV and of course larger living space. Yeah, I'm one of those slowly but surely upgraders for their HT equipment but at the moment I just don't have the feasible space needs.
My reasoning if I already own it on HDDVD, there needs to be very strong reasoning for me to buy it on BD. All it comes down to as I've mentioned before, the sequel I don't mind owning on Blu but I'll only buy the true BD exclusive movies.
To double dip or not to double dip is the question? Eh, might decide better when I actually own a 2.0 profile STAND-ALONE BD player sometime next year.
But great news though! Hopefully it'll be released in a digipak with a thick booklet.
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