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post #211 of 224
^ No one could say "one can get a damned good idea of what almost any wide-release film is about, as well as picking up a good many of its details, without ever seeing the movie" and seriously mean it. The post is just satire (and very funny satire at that).

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post #212 of 224

Ah... forget it.

post #213 of 224

Travis, satire or not, you can also pick up a lot of misinformation about a movie without seeing it.  Trailers can be misleading, include scenes that aren't in the final film, people who talk about a movie with a skewed agenda... 

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Chuck Anstey wrote (post #190):

 

 

 

Well, he's not a true Asgardian, either, as, at the end of the world (Ragnarok, the so-called "twilight of the gods (reginn)"), he leads the giants (including his own offspring, the gigantic Fenriswolf and the Midgardormr ("Earth-dragon"), and the demons (like Surtr and Muspell) in battle to the death against the gods.

 

In any event, the whole Asgard-thing in this film seems to be a bad imitation of Greco-Roman imperial models of mythological kingship.  Maybe that's true to the comics---I haven't read them since the mid-70's---but it's wholly unoriginal and really disappointing.  Viking gods should be wearing animal skins and be seated on wooden furniture, not that gilded crap that's portrayed here.  And Asgard is the home of the gods, and not million-man armies, as presented here.  What a missed opportunity to portray something different, instead of the same old same-old (SoSo)! (And, by the way, all gods have some kind of "magical power".  By definition, that's what makes them "gods".)

 

Also, superheroes without weaknesses are pretty uninteresting, in my book.  No, 98-pound weakling alter ego Don Blake (to whose form the "mighty Thor" would always revert (in the early days of the comic), if separated from Mjollnir for more than a minute or two while on Earth)?  (What next? Will Green Lantern have control over things that are yellow?) Sacrilege! 

 

Well, I wanted to see this film, but they quickly snatched away the 2-D version.  No three-D for me.  I'll have to wait.



Well, just a few things:

(1) They weren't at any point on wooden furniture; I watched this again and I never saw this happen; there were plenty of stone looking furnishings and big halls, but as far as technologically advanced, they definitely seemed to be way out there; forming instant portals to other worlds, devices to cloak themselves, etc. Talk of vast ships, etc.

(2) Having seen it twice, any inferrance they are wearing animal skins is kind of.. well, it's in the mind of the audience member, because it is never said as such in the movie, and the outfits they wear, while probably some leather looked far more fashioned after a set style rather then some guys in huts.

(3) I think playing with ancient tropes and mythos happens everywhere. Are the asgardians in this say,Grey aliens ala StarGate? Are they fire breathing monsters from the center of earth ala Gathuan? Who knows. Everyone can play with a mythos however they want. It's kind of a bit like Percy Jackson and the Olympians, or whatever.. I don't get all strung out about how someone appropriates fictional deities.

(4) Why would it ever be "ancient Nordic" ? Even if the mythos originated there, the Asgardians in the film clearly did not. It would be a bit like me saying "I can't believe they gave these gods a vast city structure where roads are somehow built on fiberoptic light rail technology! The ancient Norse didn't have that!

I get that you don't like the film (though you haven't seen it). I also find that even if they had done it EXACTLY as 1000 films did before (which they didn't, but let's say) but they did it well, then it was worth the effort
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Chuck Anstey wrote (post #190):

 

 

 

Well, he's not a true Asgardian, either, as, at the end of the world (Ragnarok, the so-called "twilight of the gods (reginn)"), he leads the giants (including his own offspring, the gigantic Fenriswolf and the Midgardormr ("Earth-dragon"), and the demons (like Surtr and Muspell) in battle to the death against the gods.

 

In any event, the whole Asgard-thing in this film seems to be a bad imitation of Greco-Roman imperial models of mythological kingship.  Maybe that's true to the comics---I haven't read them since the mid-70's---but it's wholly unoriginal and really disappointing.  Viking gods should be wearing animal skins and be seated on wooden furniture, not that gilded crap that's portrayed here.  And Asgard is the home of the gods, and not million-man armies, as presented here.  What a missed opportunity to portray something different, instead of the same old same-old (SoSo)! (And, by the way, all gods have some kind of "magical power".  By definition, that's what makes them "gods".)

 

Also, superheroes without weaknesses are pretty uninteresting, in my book.  No, 98-pound weakling alter ego Don Blake (to whose form the "mighty Thor" would always revert (in the early days of the comic), if separated from Mjollnir for more than a minute or two while on Earth)?  (What next? Will Green Lantern have control over things that are yellow?) Sacrilege! 

 

Well, I wanted to see this film, but they quickly snatched away the 2-D version.  No three-D for me.  I'll have to wait.





Well, just a few things:

(1) They weren't at any point on wooden furniture; I watched this again and I never saw this happen; there were plenty of stone looking furnishings and big halls, but as far as technologically advanced, they definitely seemed to be way out there; forming instant portals to other worlds, devices to cloak themselves, etc. Talk of vast ships, etc.

(2) Having seen it twice, any inferrance they are wearing animal skins is kind of.. well, it's in the mind of the audience member, because it is never said as such in the movie, and the outfits they wear, while probably some leather looked far more fashioned after a set style rather then some guys in huts.

I think you misread his point.  He wasn't saying wooden furniture and animal skins appear in the film.  He was saying Norse gods should be depicted that way.

 

I find this discussion interesting because back when I first heard of the comic book Thor, I didn't like it.  The superheroes I knew about had at least a pseudoscientific explanation for their origins.  Now came this character out of pure mythology.  It was really something of a clash for me.  It sounds like the movie tried to step back from the mystical/mythological stuff and be more in line with the pseudoscientific concept.  I don't know if I like that idea.  I remember seeing some really awful film several years ago that had people scientifically analyzing dragons.  Terrible idea...they're pure fantasy characters.  So it is with Norse gods.
 

 

post #216 of 224

Robert,

Not all comic book heroes before Thor had pseudoscientific  explanations. For example, Wonder Woman's powers came from Greek/Roman gods (think her magic lasso that "makes a liar tell the truth"). The original Captain Marvel (the guy who says "SHAZAM!!") was empowered by a wizard.

 

Peter 

post #217 of 224

I had forgotten about Wonder Woman, Peter.  I never knew about Captain Marvel back then.


Edited by RobertR - 6/2/11 at 5:32am
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So it is with Norse gods.

 


And I think you misread something.  These are not gods.  Period.

 

I too was concerned about Thor fitting with the rest of the Marvel characters, but they did a good job of basing him in a pseudo-scientific world.  He's NOT a god.  Go see the movie; you're just adding to the misinformation about it.

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And I think you misread something.  These are not gods.  Period.

 

I too was concerned about Thor fitting with the rest of the Marvel characters, but they did a good job of basing him in a pseudo-scientific world.  He's NOT a god.  Go see the movie; you're just adding to the misinformation about it.


It seems we really aren't on the same page.  I was talking about the comic book.  Isn't it the case that the comic book refers to Thor as "The god of Thunder"?  Saying he's not a god in the movie misses that point.

 

post #220 of 224

Actually, Robert, it's true of the comic book as well.  They were inspired by the fables, but didn't try to be true to them.  The movie is just one more step away, and an attempt to tie in better to the coming Avengers film.  In my opinion, it works.

 

As for "god of thunder," they call Superman "the man of steel," but he's not, really.  And as Iron Man pointed out, his suit is not made of iron... 

post #221 of 224

I see the Blu-ray has been announced for 9/13 with only 80 minutes of extras. That seems pretty thin, so I assume a more deluxe edition is looming in the future. Nevertheless, I will look forward to this on blu and in 2D, as I feel the 3D in the theater hampered my enjoyment of an otherwise fine film.

 

 

post #222 of 224

I am not extremely familiar with the Avengers comics, and had a question about the post credits scene.  Is the device revealed in the suitcase something that should be known by Avengers fans?  I had no idea what it was or what it was referring to.  Or is it supposed to just be a mystery?

post #223 of 224
IIRC,it was a cosmic cube (see the Captain America movie for more details, or wiki's).
post #224 of 224
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Was the big guy Thor tangled with in the government site supposed to be anybody?  I was thinking maybe it was Luke Cage, but maybe it was just a big guy and nothing more.

 

Saw this today.  Loved it.  Darcy stole every scene in a good way.

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IIRC,it was a cosmic cube (see the Captain America movie for more details, or wiki's).

I was wondering about that big guy too.

The thing at the end was the cosmic cube which ties to Darksied in the comics and maybe even Thanos.

I must have blinked but I isn't see Thor with his helmet on and was the Infininity Gauntlet anywhere in the movie?

Thought it was great 4/5 stars.


Ok the Gaunlet shows for about four frames at 11:07.
Edited by TonyD - 1/3/12 at 12:14pm
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