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post #1 of 22
5/14/08 at 11:18am
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Courtesy of CAG:

http://i25.tinypic.com/wjxvt4.png

Now if you're one of those folks who don't feel it's right to use a scanned coupon--well I respect your decision...but if you have no qualms about doing so--have at it!

And if you do plan to use it but are concerned as to whether stores will accept it--assuming that they'll have the lowest B&M prices, Walmart self-checkout is your best friend.
post #2 of 22
5/14/08 at 12:41pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Well...there's nothing on the coupon that says "don't accept scans or copies."

It seems to me it would be okay.
post #3 of 22
5/14/08 at 1:42pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Well...there's nothing on the coupon that says "don't accept scans or copies."

It seems to me it would be okay.


it's say on the second line from the top "DO NOT DOUBLE".. but i'll try it anyways.
post #4 of 22
5/14/08 at 2:24pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

"Do not double" means something completely different from using a scanned or printed copy. That's telling the retailer not to double the $10 deal if they are running a "double manufacturer coupon" deal.

Usually a coupon will say very specifically, 'Do not accept scanned or copied versions of this coupon"...or something to that effect.

This actually looks, to me, to be an internet coupon...which, of course, NEEDS to be printed in order to be used.
post #5 of 22
5/14/08 at 6:13pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Well, it's definitely a scan of the original coupon found inside the National Treasure 2 DVD. Disney's done the "$10 off the Blu-ray for those who buy the DVD first" deal on a few titles now. Dan in Real Life, No Country for Old Men, Enchanted . . . I'm sure there are others. It's intended to induce those who bought the DVD to consider upgrading to Blu-ray, with $10 off to take some of the sting out of buying the title again. It's also useful for people that want to entertain their kids with the DVD in the portable player or bedroom machine, while reserving the Blu copy for the home theater.

It's not an original Internet coupon. Though not definitive proof by itself, the fact that it's hosted at a clearly non-Disney URL is another red flag.

So like the OP said, it comes down to where you fall on the ethical side of things.

EDIT: It also says "Coupon may not be reproduced..." So that means . . . ???
post #6 of 22
5/14/08 at 7:18pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

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Originally Posted by Bryan Beckman
EDIT: It also says "Coupon may not be reproduced..." So that means . . . ???

I must have read that coupon five times and NEVER saw that!

There it is. That settles that. I stand corrected. Thanks, Bryan!
post #7 of 22
5/15/08 at 10:44am
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Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Now I'm just speaking strictly from a hypothetical standpoint, so...for the sake of argument let's "assume" that the NT2 coupon is one that can be legitimately obtained from the Internet (i.e., it has to be printed from a site). Does the fact that the coupon explicitly states "No Reproductions" automatically disqualify one from being permitted to print it? I say this because there are indeed some legit Internet coupons that include this same disclaimer--matter of fact, I have a Blockbuster e-coupon right in front of me that states any reproduction is prohibited.

Like I said--whether folks choose to use this coupon or not is up to them; I didn't post it as part of some ethical witchhunt...
post #8 of 22
5/15/08 at 4:06pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

There is no question in my mind. Use of that coupon reproduced on the internet is fraud, period. The coupon is offered for owners of the "National Treasure 2" DVD and the original coupon that comes with that DVD is the only one that is not reproduced. I won't use it. Will Disney even reimburse Wal-Mart? I would guess the answer is yes, but I don't know.

Chris
post #9 of 22
5/15/08 at 6:25pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

If you are buying both NT titles, you are probably still ahead to buy the amazon two pack for $40 vs BM + the coupon + tax + gas.
post #10 of 22
5/15/08 at 9:04pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

whatever, i used one for no country for old men and Enchanted, walmart.
post #11 of 22
5/16/08 at 2:53am

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
whatever, i used one for no country for old men and Enchanted, walmart.

What does that mean? If Wal-Mart accepts it, it isn't fraud? If Wal-Mart doesn't accept it, it is only attempted fraud is how I would look at it. If accepted, it is actual fraud. If you believe I am wrong, enlighten me. I love great deals and jump on all that I believe are legitimate, I don't even have to be absolutely certain the deal is legitimate. I am absolutely certain this one is not.

Chris
post #12 of 22
5/16/08 at 3:33am

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

It may seem silly to some, but coupon sales are pretty big on eBay.

I paid about $2.00 total for the $10/off Enchanted coupon, so I got an effective savings of $8 off the Wal-Mart price. My Jiminy Cricket was appeased.

Buyer's happy, seller's happy . . . and there's no concern about the authenticity of the coupon.
post #13 of 22
5/16/08 at 7:23am

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Beckman
It may seem silly to some, but coupon sales are pretty big on eBay.

I paid about $2.00 total for the $10/off Enchanted coupon, so I got an effective savings of $8 off the Wal-Mart price. My Jiminy Cricket was appeased.

Buyer's happy, seller's happy . . . and there's no concern about the authenticity of the coupon.

I don't know about eBay but the Disney Reward codes are big sellers at various sites. I am buying a lot of Blu-ray discs and using my codes but I would likely have been better off just to sell the stupid things. Although I have purchased quite a number of discs, I am only at a little over 3,000 points and I can't fnd anything worth acquiring at the site for that amount.

Yes, I see the coupons offered for sale on eBay and that valid coupon is fine.

Chris
post #14 of 22
5/16/08 at 9:46am

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Chris: I don't think anyone here is advocating use of an illegal coupon. In fact, it seems to me we've all been very careful in discussing the issue.
post #15 of 22
5/16/08 at 4:48pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

eh never mind.
post #16 of 22
5/19/08 at 11:22am
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Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Beckman
It may seem silly to some, but coupon sales are pretty big on eBay.

I paid about $2.00 total for the $10/off Enchanted coupon, so I got an effective savings of $8 off the Wal-Mart price. My Jiminy Cricket was appeased.

Buyer's happy, seller's happy . . . and there's no concern about the authenticity of the coupon.
Depending on the exact wording of that coupon, technically what that Ebay seller did may have been illegal--if it's anything like that on the NT2 coupon, it probably has the following under the TERMS section:

"Limit one coupon per specified item purchased. Any other use constitutes fraud. Coupon may not be reproduced, transferred or used in conjunction with any other offer." (Note--underlines were added by me)

One could argue that selling the coupon would be illegal under either the "Any other use" and/or the "transferred" prohibitions.
post #17 of 22
5/19/08 at 11:30am
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Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Chris: I don't think anyone here is advocating use of an illegal coupon. In fact, it seems to me we've all been very careful in discussing the issue.
Exactly...but in any case, I'm sorry I opened this thread; if people choose not to use the coupon for whatever reason, that's okay...if someone wants to point out that the coupon in the link isn't legit, that's fine too...but I think we should leave out the morality/ethics part about it--after all, it's not as if I titled this thread "Is it okay to use this NT2 $10-off coupon?"...
post #18 of 22
5/19/08 at 11:36am
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Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard
I don't know about eBay but the Disney Reward codes are big sellers at various sites. I am buying a lot of Blu-ray discs and using my codes but I would likely have been better off just to sell the stupid things. Although I have purchased quite a number of discs, I am only at a little over 3,000 points and I can't fnd anything worth acquiring at the site for that amount.

Yes, I see the coupons offered for sale on eBay and that valid coupon is fine.

Chris
If the Disney Reward Code promo has similar prohibitions to those found on their dollar-off movie coupons regarding allowed usage and/or transfer (namely, that you can't turn around and offer the codes for sale)...I would love to see how you would justify the selling of said codes, when at the same time argue against using a reproduced dollar-off coupon. I don't have the Disney Reward Code sheet in front of me, but I'd be willing to bet that it probably contains some provision about doing anything with the codes other than correctly redeeming them...which you would be doing if you were gonna turn around and sell them on Ebay.

Alternately, I find it odd that you apparently don't have an issue w/ folks who choose to sell their Disney dollar-off coupons, given that the coupon terms apparently disallow such usage. To expound on that last comment--what I mean is, since those $10-off coupons can be had only if you purchase an SD DVD copy of the movie...how is buying the coupon off Ebay an acceptable alternative method for obtaining it? Instead of having to pay $15+ dollars for the DVD in order to get that $10 coupon, all one has to do instead is buy it off Ebay for just $2; I'm pretty sure that Disney would not be so approving that folks can obtain the coupons in such a manner.
post #19 of 22
5/23/08 at 1:46pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyTone
If the Disney Reward Code promo has similar prohibitions to those found on their dollar-off movie coupons regarding allowed usage and/or transfer (namely, that you can't turn around and offer the codes for sale)...I would love to see how you would justify the selling of said codes, when at the same time argue against using a reproduced dollar-off coupon. I don't have the Disney Reward Code sheet in front of me, but I'd be willing to bet that it probably contains some provision about doing anything with the codes other than correctly redeeming them...which you would be doing if you were gonna turn around and sell them on Ebay.

Alternately, I find it odd that you apparently don't have an issue w/ folks who choose to sell their Disney dollar-off coupons, given that the coupon terms apparently disallow such usage. To expound on that last comment--what I mean is, since those $10-off coupons can be had only if you purchase an SD DVD copy of the movie...how is buying the coupon off Ebay an acceptable alternative method for obtaining it? Instead of having to pay $15+ dollars for the DVD in order to get that $10 coupon, all one has to do instead is buy it off Ebay for just $2; I'm pretty sure that Disney would not be so approving that folks can obtain the coupons in such a manner.

I don't sell the Disney reward codes and I haven't seen anywhere that selling them is prohibited. Before I did sell any, I would research to see if that is prohibited by a valid enforceable law. As far as the fraudulent use of a reproduced coupon, I won't do that, that is fraud, period. You want to do it, go ahead, I won't turn you in. If I was given a valid coupon, without buying the DVD, there is no enforceable provision anywhwere that I am aware of that would prevent use of that coupon. I am not an attorney, but valid coupons, not counterfeit like provided here, are legal to use, just like anybody can use the $10 bill I have in my billfold. I can attach a note to that $10 bill stating only I can use it, but that is not an enforceable provision in any state in this country. A valid coupon can be used by anybody in any state in this country. I don't know what the intent of Disney is, but coupons are like $10 bills, any non-conterfeit $10 and any non-conterfeit coupon can be used by anybody, period. Any counterfeit $10 bill or any counterfeit coupon result in a crime if used, period.

Is that clear enough?

Chris
post #20 of 22
5/23/08 at 4:04pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

eh unsubscribed.
why do i let myself be sucked in to this.
post #21 of 22
5/27/08 at 9:33am
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Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Chris--please point out where exactly in this thread did I make any mention that it was okay (or, that it wasn't illegal) to use a scanned coupon? No one in this thread--including myself--was arguing that use of such a coupon wasn't fraudulent, so please...enough of the "it is illegal to use a scanned/counterfeit coupon" spiel--you're starting to sound like a broken record.

And for the record--it is against the T&Cs of the Disney Movie Rewards program to transfer/sell the codes, so I believe we can bring the argument to a close as to whether it's okay to sell the codes--let alone dollar-off coupons--on Ebay.

Mods--please close this thread...clearly someone has decided to hijack this thread and turn it into a morality argument for those of us who apparently don't know better...
post #22 of 22
5/27/08 at 4:20pm

Re: Instant $10 off coupon for National Treasure 2 BD

Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyTone
Chris--please point out where exactly in this thread did I make any mention that it was okay (or, that it wasn't illegal) to use a scanned coupon? No one in this thread--including myself--was arguing that use of such a coupon wasn't fraudulent, so please...enough of the "it is illegal to use a scanned/counterfeit coupon" spiel--you're starting to sound like a broken record.

And for the record--it is against the T&Cs of the Disney Movie Rewards program to transfer/sell the codes, so I believe we can bring the argument to a close as to whether it's okay to sell the codes--let alone dollar-off coupons--on Ebay.

Mods--please close this thread...clearly someone has decided to hijack this thread and turn it into a morality argument for those of us who apparently don't know better...

Odd points you are trying to make here, none of which have made any sense to me. You start a thread with a link to an obviously counterfeit coupon. I print it out and point out that it is fraud to use it after reading it. I did so because someone might assume links provided here are for valid offers, not fraudulent offers. I disagree with your comments regarding use of the Disney Rewards points and valid coupon that is included with the National Treasure 2 DVD. The use of a valid coupon can't possibly be criminal if one didn't purchase the DVD and therefore is not comparable to use of this counterfeit coupon. Disney doesn't get to make laws but I see nothing on the coupon indicating Disney has claimed use of the valid coupon is a crime. Use of the coupon you provided a link to is a criminal act, it is counterfeit, laws exist in all 50 states that make that a crime. It isn't very complicated and you can kick up a cloud of dust and dance around behind it if you like, I didn't hijack anything, just provided a simple and I believe accurate opinion. Sale of the Disney Reward points can't possibly be a crime either and I see nothing where Disney claims that would be a criminal act.

Providing a link to something that would be a crime if used and then trying to divert attention from that fact doesn't change that fact.

Chris
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