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Dear David Prior  

post #1 of 37
4/8/08 at 4:56pm
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Any chance we could get your wonderful special editions of Panic Room, Fight Club, Seven and Zodiac on Blu-Ray???
post #2 of 37
4/8/08 at 6:02pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Yeah, 'cuz he controls that, you know...
post #3 of 37
4/8/08 at 6:10pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Not sure why the rolleyes icon was appropriate...

What we do know:

1. David's been active here in the past (not sure about recent months)
2. David cares deeply for his projects
3. David cares about what the fans think (though he's not always able to grant wishes)

And while "the buck doesn't stop" at David, I'd surely think that he has some pull with regards to getting his projects put on the release slate. Or better, if he knows there's a demand for his work on BD, he might even revisit them and master the features 1080p (where possible) and even add some new materials.

Never hurts to ask.
post #4 of 37
4/8/08 at 7:22pm

Re: Dear David Prior

David has probably approached Fox about doing an SE of Fight Club, and there response was "Special Edition? You're being premature, my dear boy! First we give them a barebones release for $39.99! Maybe in a couple of years, son, but why give them value when they are foolish enough to pay for nothing?!"
post #5 of 37
4/8/08 at 8:21pm

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
1. David's been active here in the past (not sure about recent months)
He posted in a Zodiac thread over in the SD section a couple of times last month.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ats-story.html
post #6 of 37
4/8/08 at 11:09pm

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Nick Graham
First we give them a barebones release for $39.99!

Here we go again... Nick, those Fox-titles are more expensive and all that, but they don´t cost $39.99.. So let´s at least keep the price range correct.

Amazon.com:
Amazon.com: fox Blu-ray - DVD: Movies & TV

Expensive ones are $27.95 (not counting box sets, of course). A bit older titles are $17.95. That´s quite far from $39.99..
post #7 of 37
4/9/08 at 4:54am

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Not sure why the rolleyes icon was appropriate...

What we do know:

1. David's been active here in the past (not sure about recent months)
2. David cares deeply for his projects
3. David cares about what the fans think (though he's not always able to grant wishes)

And while "the buck doesn't stop" at David, I'd surely think that he has some pull with regards to getting his projects put on the release slate. Or better, if he knows there's a demand for his work on BD, he might even revisit them and master the features 1080p (where possible) and even add some new materials.

Never hurts to ask.

Not sure why sarcasm around here always seems to be immediately taken as hatefulness. In any case, David answers a lot of "why wasn't this included" or "why did it take so long to get this done" or "why did this project never get off the ground" type questions around here with regard to his projects, and his answers are usually some variation on "I do the best I can with what I've got, but the studios are the ones who call all the shots". Therefore, it seems obvious to me that David's answer to the OP's question would be, "sure, I'd love to, but it's really up to the studios".
post #8 of 37
4/9/08 at 7:09am

Re: Dear David Prior

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Here we go again... Nick, those Fox-titles are more expensive and all that, but they don´t cost $39.99.. So let´s at least keep the price range correct.

I think quoting MSRP is perfectly correct. On the other hand, quoting discounted prices that vary from merchant to merchant is misleading. Further, discount prices are based on wholesale cost, and higher MSRP means higher cost, hence, higher discounted prices. The most accurate way to compare disc prices is to use MSRP.
post #9 of 37
4/9/08 at 9:13am

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Robert George
I think quoting MSRP is perfectly correct.

Oh, okay. Well, a very few actually PAY these MSRP-prices, so in that sense MSRP is not "perfectly correct". We should find some "middle ground", even in this popular Fox-bashing. Their MSRP *is* high now and Fox should lower their prices - but they´re not as expensive as some people claim them to be.

Also, these (Amazon prices) are not some mysterious "discounted prices" that suddenly go up. In these prices the (trusted, I might add) online-stores sell these Fox-titles, even in pre-order.

But hey, perhaps some people actually pay 40$ for one Blu-ray-title, what do I know..

My point: Fox MSRP is too high. But it´s not that anyone pays that kind of money from their releases in real life.. That´s what I mean with "middle ground" (we can bi**h, but let´s keep the fair play with that bi**hing).
post #10 of 37
4/9/08 at 9:54am

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Travis Brashear
Not sure why sarcasm around here always seems to be immediately taken as hatefulness.
No one said anything about "hatefulness". Sarcasm is just sarcasm: unpleasant and generally unnecessary, especially when it's directed against another member.

M.
post #11 of 37
4/9/08 at 10:53am

Re: Dear David Prior

I never even realized he had worked on the Zodiac set. Another feather in his cap. While I want all of his previous SD stuff to get ported over to Blu, I'm more interested in seeing what new projects he has on his plate. It sucks to hear that he gets pegged with "Why wasn't this included?", etc. I'm amazed that with the "pump 'em out fast and cheap" mindset of the home video industry that guys like David and Charlie are able to do what they do period.

I apologize for beating the dead horse that is Fox prices so much. As much as I feel it is justified, I'm starting to feel like more of a threadcrapper than a contributor. At the same time, it is by far my biggest pet peeve in this hobby right now (DTS-MA finally gets some slack now that it is confirmed to be coming to the PS3). Fox has so many genre titles I love, and the hit and miss treatment combine with the insane pricing turns me into a ranting internet troll every time I think about it.
post #12 of 37
4/9/08 at 11:19am

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jari K
Oh, okay. Well, a very few actually PAY these MSRP-prices, so in that sense MSRP is not "perfectly correct". We should find some "middle ground", even in this popular Fox-bashing. Their MSRP *is* high now and Fox should lower their prices - but they´re not as expensive as some people claim them to be.

Also, these (Amazon prices) are not some mysterious "discounted prices" that suddenly go up. In these prices the (trusted, I might add) online-stores sell these Fox-titles, even in pre-order.

But hey, perhaps some people actually pay 40$ for one Blu-ray-title, what do I know..

My point: Fox MSRP is too high. But it´s not that anyone pays that kind of money from their releases in real life.. That´s what I mean with "middle ground" (we can bi**h, but let´s keep the fair play with that bi**hing).

Fox titles at Best Buy are typically between $34 and $39. Which is one reason I don't shop there for Blu-ray movies. However many people do. So there are some people who are paying pretty close to MSRP.

Doug
post #13 of 37
4/9/08 at 11:53am

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
No one said anything about "hatefulness". Sarcasm is just sarcasm: unpleasant and generally unnecessary, especially when it's directed against another member.

So do you have a recommendation for how to convey the message "this thread is lacking in worth" without being, to one degree or another, sarcastic? Unless that's an opinion HTFers not allowed to express...
post #14 of 37
4/9/08 at 12:27pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Brashear
So do you have a recommendation for how to convey the message "this thread is lacking in worth" without being, to one degree or another, sarcastic?
Directness is usually best. If one wants to say, "This thread is lacking in worth", then say it. My personal approach when I think a thread isn't worth my time is not to participate in it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Travis Brashear
Unless that's an opinion HTFers not allowed to express...
No one (except you) has suggested any such thing.

M.
post #15 of 37
4/9/08 at 1:10pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Graham
Fox has so many genre titles I love, and the hit and miss treatment combine with the insane pricing turns me into a ranting internet troll every time I think about it.

I´m sure we´re all (people who buy BD-titles) somewhat frustrated of Fox when it comes to their general price range (at least those newer titles) and lack of extras (not all releases), but I believe that there has to be some constructive way of dealing with it... Of course, it´s a good question, that what this "constructive way" actually could be. I don´t have the answers..

Still, I seriously doubt that people from Fox even have the energy, nor time to read these similar rants in every thread that is even remotely connected to their releases.. If these threads goes beyond that certain point (when it becomes almost "trolling" or something), I don´t see that they´re useful anymore. Not even in that "Let them know that we´re unhappy!"-type of way..
post #16 of 37
4/9/08 at 1:12pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
Directness is usually best. If one wants to say, "This thread is lacking in worth", then say it. My personal approach when I think a thread isn't worth my time is not to participate in it.

Fair enough, but (and I truly say this with all due respect) I guarantee if I'd said, "this thread is worthless and should have a more accurately descriptive title so I would know whether or not to click on it", someone (perhaps not you) would have decried me as rude. You can't win in an electronic world that a) doesn't convey tone of voice or body language and in which b) most people have an automatic presumption of negative intent.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
No one (except you) has suggested any such thing.

Fair enough, sir; to be clear, it wasn't an accusation, just a question.
post #17 of 37
4/9/08 at 1:28pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
So there are some people who are paying pretty close to MSRP.

Those people can blame themselves.

Perhaps you guys shouldn´t shout those "Fox titles cost 40$!"-anthems that often in the forums. One minor thing, that we "early adopters" should do for those more ignorant BD-buyers in the forums is, that we could give them some tips and guidance.

1) Fox titles are more expensive and some (not all) are almost bare bones. See the reviews before buying.
2) From the several online-stores (e.g. from Amazon.com), you can get Fox-titles from $27.95 - $17.95. Don´t pay MSRP $40 from them.

When people know the *facts*, they´ll then make up their own minds. And if they still pay $40, not sure who is the real blame..

How freaking hard is that?
post #18 of 37
4/9/08 at 1:33pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert George
I think quoting MSRP is perfectly correct. On the other hand, quoting discounted prices that vary from merchant to merchant is misleading. Further, discount prices are based on wholesale cost, and higher MSRP means higher cost, hence, higher discounted prices. The most accurate way to compare disc prices is to use MSRP.

I certainly agree with this in principle, however practice seems to be another matter. If I had a nickle for everytime I read someone compare Fox's $39.99 MSRP with Warner's $19.95 retail, I wouldn't have to complain about Fox's prices.
post #19 of 37
4/9/08 at 2:35pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Reuben
Directness is usually best. If one wants to say, "This thread is lacking in worth", then say it. My personal approach when I think a thread isn't worth my time is not to participate in it.
Exactly. There are plenty of threads I don't think have much merit to me. But I'm not going to denigrate them because they may be worth something to someone else. This thread clearly is worth something to other people.

Thumper's mother advice is best in times like these, "if you can't say anything nice..."
post #20 of 37
4/9/08 at 3:06pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jari K
Those people can blame themselves.

Perhaps you guys shouldn´t shout those "Fox titles cost 40$!"-anthems that often in the forums. One minor thing, that we "early adopters" should do for those more ignorant BD-buyers in the forums is, that we could give them some tips and guidance.

1) Fox titles are more expensive and some (not all) are almost bare bones. See the reviews before buying.
2) From the several online-stores (e.g. from Amazon.com), you can get Fox-titles from $27.95 - $17.95. Don´t pay MSRP $40 from them.

When people know the *facts*, they´ll then make up their own minds. And if they still pay $40, not sure who is the real blame..

How freaking hard is that?

For the record I haven't gone around quoting the price of all Fox titles as being $39, though that is the MSRP of many of them and I have seen them for that price in stores.

As long as Fox titles are over priced, and in my opinion anything over $27 is over priced and anything over $19 for a movie only release is over priced, I'm going to complain about it. When I can get a blu-ray from Disney that is stunning quality and brimming over with extras for $24, the Fox releases look a bit lacking in comparison.

For the most part Fox releases are a rip off and I'm not going to shut up about it for the sake of harmony. Now I do have high hopes for Fox's future releases such as Patton and Planet of the Apes. I LOOKS like they might have gotten their act together.

Doug
post #21 of 37
4/9/08 at 3:11pm

Re: Dear David Prior

RE: the pricing thing, personally, I can't quite agree that quoting MSRP makes the most sense. Afterall, nobody seems to run around quoting MSRPs for SD DVDs when they complain about the higher pricing of BDs (whether it's Fox/MGM or otherwise). IMHO, it makes more practical sense to compare typical street prices for the first several months of releases. Use a range, if that makes sense. OR mention specifics like Amazon or Walmart/Target/Best Buy type superstores depending on the context.

_Man_
post #22 of 37
4/9/08 at 3:18pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
RE: the pricing thing, personally, I can't quite agree that quoting MSRP makes the most sense. Afterall, nobody seems to run around quoting MSRPs for SD DVDs when they complain about the higher pricing of BDs (whether it's Fox/MGM or otherwise). IMHO, it makes more practical sense to compare typical street prices for the first several months of releases. Use a range, if that makes sense. OR mention specifics like Amazon or Walmart/Target/Best Buy type superstores depending on the context.

_Man_

Fair enough. Lets put it this way. When I look at Fox titles in the store, they are almost always $7 to $10 more than all the other studio's releases.

Doug
post #23 of 37
4/9/08 at 6:23pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Exactly. There are plenty of threads I don't think have much merit to me. But I'm not going to denigrate them because they may be worth something to someone else. This thread clearly is worth something to other people.

Thumper's mother advice is best in times like these, "if you can't say anything nice..."

Well I guess that makes you the Paula and me the Simon because this thread wasted my time with it's non-descript title and misdirected question. I'm not trying to stage a cross burning here, but by gosh and by golly, I should at least be able to express an exasperated opinion so the OP can learn to be more worthwhile in his future posting. Must this thread be derailed more with further high-minded speeches about how much kinder and gentler and human hearted everyone else is or can we let Michael Reuben's words stand?
post #24 of 37
4/9/08 at 7:34pm

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Travis Brashear
Well I guess that makes you the Paula and me the Simon because this thread wasted my time with it's non-descript title and misdirected question. I'm not trying to stage a cross burning here, but by gosh and by golly, I should at least be able to express an exasperated opinion so the OP can learn to be more worthwhile in his future posting. Must this thread be derailed more with further high-minded speeches about how much kinder and gentler and human hearted everyone else is or can we let Michael Reuben's words stand?
If your so concern with your wasted time this thread has cause you then why do you keep posting in it? It should have only taken you a few seconds to read the title thread and what the OP posted for you to determine that the thread isn't worthy of your participation in it.





Crawdaddy
post #25 of 37
4/9/08 at 10:47pm

Re: Dear David Prior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
For the most part Fox releases are a rip off and I'm not going to shut up about it for the sake of harmony.

...and you can make sure that I´m in every thread making counter post with "real prices".

Seriously, did I said that you should "shut up"? No.

I was talking about the "middle ground", since I know that there won´t be any "harmony" in the forums until (perhaps) somewhere around 2009 when certain issues finally fade away..

People can complain and in certain, "mature and constructive way" they probably should. And with that certain tone, Fox might just listen. It just might.

But quoting these MSRP $40-prices *without any reference* (from Best Buy? B&N? Amazon? Where? Why?) is misleading. And who knows, perhaps scares away some people that know absolutely nothing about BD etc.

Fox *should* lower those MSRP-prices (they have actually done that with certain, older titles - so now you get those titles in Amazon for $17.95) for good, make no mistake about it. So I´m not happy with their price range either.

I just would assume that every BD-studio is in the same line here. Like Paul pointed out, you don´t hear that much of MSRP-price-references with e.g. Warner-titles.. Let alone SD DVDs, where people often laugh to these MSRP-prices in the press release...
post #26 of 37
4/10/08 at 5:25am

Re: Dear David Prior

Back on topic.

Of those Se7en is the one I'd most like to see on BD. Might also pick up Panic Room if it gets offered, I also liked Zodiac though I didn't feel compelled to buy it on HD DVD so I'd probably also pass on the BD.

I thought Fight Club was okay but I never understood the almost religious following it has.
post #27 of 37
4/10/08 at 5:39am

Re: Dear David Prior

Speaking of David Prior's work, he also did the amazing Master and Commander 2-disc DVD set, NONE of the extras from which will be on the forthcoming Blu-ray.
post #28 of 37
4/10/08 at 6:45am

Re: Dear David Prior

I didn't know he did Master and Commander either. My brother sold his 2 disc SE on account of the Blu-Ray getting announced, only to later find out the features had been stripped. Another epic no-sale.
post #29 of 37
4/10/08 at 9:04am

Re: Dear David Prior

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
If your so concern with your wasted time this thread has cause you then why do you keep posting in it?

Because multiple people in here feel the need to address my attitude, so I'm responding in kind. Frankly, no one in this thread is directly addressing the OP's question (it's either the derailment involving me, the umpeenth--but valid--griping about Fox Blu-ray pricing, or wish lists for future and love fests for prior--no pun intended--Prior releases) which soundly confirms my complaint about the pointlessness of this thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
It should have only taken you a few seconds to read the title thread and what the OP posted for you to determine that the thread isn't worthy of your participation in it.

Which brings me back to my earlier point--as an HTFer, am I to be denied the right to express my irritation to the OP for even those "few seconds" of wasted time, in the hopes he won't establish a pattern of wasteful posts?
post #30 of 37
4/10/08 at 10:00am

Re: Dear David Prior

Geez, if noone else will do it, I will.

To everything Travis has posted in this thread...
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