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post #31 of 52

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Christ it didn't take long for this thread to devolve into Sony bashing!
post #32 of 52

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
I'd sure like to see a link to back that statement up.

As it stands now the PS3 will have to out sell the 360 for the next 8 months by greater margins than it has in the last two just to just make up for the sales delta it experienced in December 07.

I'm certain that if Sony keeps the PS3 in production long enough it will eventually out sell the 360 but by then Microsoft will probably have moved onto its next console.

And if your going to call someone on what they've written why don't you look at the whole post? The original poster has been rehashing shit we thought was buried months ago.
post #33 of 52

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To paraphrase George Lucas:

"Stay on topic! Stay on topic!"

post #34 of 52
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jesse - heres a shorter version of the article i was speaking of since i cant find the original but it says what i was trying to convey.

ok, apparently im not "old enough" to post links yet cause of spamming issues so here the entire story or well one of similar content about the rerelease of bluray movies.
"We warned you that one reason to hold off on boarding the Blu train is that movies released in the past year without sweet BD-Live interactive features might be re-released. A lot of them. Today, we got first confirmation of this from Fox, which told us it'll be re-releasing Alien Vs. Predator later this year with a suite of new interactive features. And that's just the beginning.

Sony Pictures is also reaching in with both hands, though they're "not 100 percent sure [they're] going back on every disc" and will be looking at "different ways [they] can allow people to connect to a BD-Live site" for stuff that's already come out sans the BD Launcher. But they haven't figured that second part out yet.

To be fair, of all the Blu-ray studios, Fox is currently the most pumped about the interactive aspect—a big reason they helped build Blu along with Sony and friends. What Fox is adding doesn't make this a crap double dip, either: It's a multiplayer game woven into the film that you play as it progresses, attacking and killing other players in hopefully the most genuine film interaction to date. Not only do you upload your own avatar, it'll stay in memory and reappear when you buy future AVP titles. Sven Davison, Fox's VP of Worldwide Product Development and Production, said nothing he's seen on HD DVD has come close to this.

Davison also said Fox was looking at three other major franchises for a heavy interactive component. But other studios probably aren't going to be as scrupulous, because they primarily see interactivity as "icing on the cake" rather than potatoes to the 1080p-and-uncompressed-audio meat.

This of course opens the door for nearly everything already on BD to be double-dipped in the coming year—especially in cases like Warner's, since that studio has already launched more interactive versions of movies on HD DVD while simultaneously putting out lower-featured editions on BD. Would this have happened if the 2.0 spec had been mandatory from the start?"


JESSES "Considering that both formats had at least half of their players made up by video game products (360 add-on for HD DVD, PS3 for BD), I think Paul's comments are pretty valid. I've heard the argument that "HD DVD was for film lovers, PS3 was for gamers", but it doesn't make sense. After all, the biggest films on HD DVD ("Transformers" and "300") were not aimed at film lovers but were most definitely aimed at gamers. Unless I'm missing something, no one made a video game out of "The Departed". Added on top of that was the fact that the PS3 was one of, if not the, best Blu-ray players, and the fact that many early Blu-ray adopters bought it for that reason"

WHAT? transformers and 300 were targeted at gamers and not film fans? im not really sure what your saying there but thats pretty biased of you to say something like that, being a gamer and a film fan i think thats a pretty empty statement and making the assertion that there wasnt a DEPARTED game made has anything to do with anything doesnt really help your arugument.

Also i cant really speak to why early adopters bought the ps3 but as a gamer i know most if not all gamers i know and interact with on a regular basis were not happy with the games selection then and even now and that most of them used it primarily as a BD player cause it was the cheapest one available.

"How do you "hope to be a productive member" with these comments?"

I hope to be a productive member by bringing an opinion based on my own experiences and possibly contributing to intelligent conversation with others on the forms and not coming here and disparaging others who have differing opinions. Im not here to fight anyone but you seem to be a little pissed off already and are directing a fair amount of rancor in my direction.

like i said please feel free to engage me in intelligent conversation but you dont have to get nasty calling my good intentions into question with your somewhat unpleasant comments.

Cees Alons - thanks for the stats link on the ps3 i appreciate that. i can never seem to find things when im looking for them kinda like my damn car keys

Again thanks for having a look everyone and adding to the discussion.
post #35 of 52

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Originally Posted by Lance Rumbolt
Christ it didn't take long for this thread to devolve into Sony bashing!
Why not try adding something intelligent to the discussion instead of a fan boy reactionary response?

As for your other comment I did read the post I responded to and asked for a link and Patrick_C provided one so thanks Patrick.

The PS3 is off to a good start this year and it should be interesting to see how much ground it makes up on the 360 this year.

Any additional discussion concerning system sales can continue in the gaming forum.
post #36 of 52
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Lance - "The original poster has been rehashing shit we thought was buried months ago."

being new here i didnt know this was a dead and buried subject.

And yes getting back on subject im very curious to see where the hddvds will end up.

I was reading hddvd.com and its funny cause they just posted an article about this very subject but really didnt offer any new insights to the problem of where they will all go.
post #37 of 52

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See, that article was about re-releasing BDs with new features to take advantage of new equipment features, not new releases being unable to play on older machines. I know it's sometimes difficult to make perfect sense of something the first time you read it, & I know recollection can sometimes be deceiving, but it's best not to get stirred up until you're clear on what you are talking about.
post #38 of 52
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ChristopherDAC - i didnt say that new release wouldnt play on older machines, i said that the the older title were being re-released with new feature sets and i had made the comment about how i vaguely remember something being said about how the older releases wouldnt play on newer machines but this isnt the actual article was referring to and i wasnt sure about why they would say older titles wouldnt play on new machines cause that didnt seem to make sense at all and believe me i wasnt getting stirred up about anything i was just mentioning something i had read granted i maybe phrased what i as trying to say a bit awkwardly but i knew what i was trying to say. seriously i wish i could find the article cause i could swear they said something about older titles not working on newer machines but as we are all probably aware thats pretty silly.
post #39 of 52

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
Why not try adding something intelligent to the discussion instead of a fan boy reactionary response?

As for your other comment I did read the post I responded to and asked for a link and Patrick_C provided one so thanks Patrick.

The PS3 is off to a good start this year and it should be interesting to see how much ground it makes up on the 360 this year.

Any additional discussion concerning system sales can continue in the gaming forum.
Reactionary response? I think you'll find that was exasperation! and as for the accusation of fanboyism, grow up, I'm way to old to be getting emotionally attached to a manufacturer of electronic goods.
post #40 of 52

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Originally Posted by Scott Hall
Lance - "The original poster has been rehashing shit we thought was buried months ago."

being new here i didnt know this was a dead and buried subject.

And yes getting back on subject im very curious to see where the hddvds will end up.

I was reading hddvd.com and its funny cause they just posted an article about this very subject but really didnt offer any new insights to the problem of where they will all go.
Fair enough Scott but you did post as if it were fact. I'm no fanboy as was mentioned earlier in the post but a father of three boys who has to be careful of how i spend my money, i've been in this home theatre game
for a long time now, long enough to know you can be burned easily. I went for the PS3 primarily as BD player but my kids play games on it as well. I'm even looking at a cheap HD DVD player for upscalling my existing DVD collection as I've read it is one of the best out there and they are bloody cheap over here in the UK

Cheers and welcome to the forum.
post #41 of 52

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Originally Posted by Scott Hall
And yes getting back on subject im very curious to see where the hddvds will end up..

It just doesn´t make a whole lot of business sense, if e.g. Warner would be selling their HD DVD-titles in $5 in every bargain bin (=go on, take these, since we don´t want them!), and then trying to promote Blu-ray-releases (THE format that´s alive from the two formats, I might add) of those same films in $15-20. It just doesn´t work like that.

The prices that you´re now having in some of the HD DVD-releases ($9.98/$12.30/$15.73..) will probably be the lowest that they´re going to go. Sure, some of the "second hand"-stores, smaller stores and Ebay can sell these even in a lower price, but generally this is it. IMO.

I don´t fully see why people still "debate" about these issues and still using this "fanboy"-tone when they respond/post? HD DVD as a format is officially "dead" and after summer there won´t be any new releases or new players. What you have is what you get.

You can pick up some nice looking releases in a cheap price and most of the players still work for the years to come. I´ve been doing that also (in some degree, probably not getting anymore HD DVD-releases now - I´m also considering selling my player now when I could get at least something "back" from it) and I´m sure there are many others (with HD DVD-player). Cheap is cheap, of course.

But, it´s also good to start "looking ahead" now instead of "looking back", since at least I would invest my hard earned cash to the (HD)-format that´s still alive and wouldn´t worry about the "back-up HD DVD players" and such. With a little more patience (granted, this "patience" has been stretched recently), you probably get a good 1.1/2.0 Blu-ray player for a decent price during this year (hell, at least in the Xmas season). Not an ideal situation, I fully agree (we should have roughly $300 1.1/2.0 BD-players in the stores NOW), but things still aren't as bad as some people make them to be..

And since this still seems to be under debate here: There´s nothing wrong with the actual Blu-ray-RELEASES, when it comes to profile 1.1/2.0-issues. IF there are some compatibility issues (mainly that some of the new 1.1/20-profile EXTRAS doesn´t work with "profile 1.0"-only players), the reason is in the PLAYER(S). So let´s not spread any false info for the newcomers that might read threads like this one, shall we.

(If these companies are planning to re-release some of their BD-titles, it´s because they want to add some new 1.1/2.0-extras - not because the original releases won´t suddenly "work" anymore.)
post #42 of 52

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Looking forward, I see two things associated with hd-dvd.

Toshiba will look to incorporate some of the hd-dvd technology into dvd technology as well as other means of delivering content. You could have something that is measurably better than dvd but less than full 1080p. There are some reports of this happening now. Some on this forum have dissed the reports but I tend to believe it because it makes too much sense.

I also do not think that there will be only one hd standard. There is a real possibility that there could be several hd standards in the world. My odds on favorite, if a second emerges, is ch-dvd which is based on hd-dvd. Ch-dvd would be my odds on favorite to win yhe China market at least. If it does that then where it goes next is anybody's guess.
post #43 of 52

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New "HD and SD DVD upconversion"-hybrid and Chinese CH-DVD will take over? Keep the faith my brother..

Would it be simpler just to buy Blu-ray? I mean, seriously?
post #44 of 52

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Originally Posted by Jari K
New "HD and SD DVD upconversion"-hybrid and Chinese CH-DVD will take over? Keep the faith my brother..

Would it be simpler just to buy Blu-ray? I mean, seriously?

Haha!
post #45 of 52

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Originally Posted by Scott Hall
jesse - heres a shorter version of the article i was speaking of since i cant find the original but it says what i was trying to convey.
I have no idea where that article is from, so I can't speak to it's veracity or the bias of the source (there are quite a few websites and magazines with an anti-Blu-ray axe to grind), but nowhere does it say there's 100 redone titles coming down the road. In fact, it mentions just one. Nor does it mention the sources of many of its quotes from what I can tell.
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WHAT? transformers and 300 were targeted at gamers and not film fans? im not really sure what your saying there but thats pretty biased of you to say something like that, being a gamer and a film fan i think thats a pretty empty statement and making the assertion that there wasnt a DEPARTED game made has anything to do with anything doesnt really help your arugument.
Huh?

In what world are 90 minutes about giant robots based on a kid's show and 90 minutes of flat-out unrealistic and gory combat based on a comic book not aimed at a young male demographic with a propensity for instant gratification, visceral (literally) satisfaction, a fondness for explosions, and

Speaking as both a 29-year old male with most of those qualities above who's been playing and enjoying video games since he was 4 and a film fan who has a spectrum of tastes in his collection--from Bay to Gilliam to Kurosawa to Malle--I can say with complete conviction that both "300" and "Transformers" were 100% without a doubt aimed at the gamer demographic.
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I hope to be a productive member by bringing an opinion based on my own experiences and possibly contributing to intelligent conversation with others on the forms and not coming here and disparaging others who have differing opinions. Im not here to fight anyone but you seem to be a little pissed off already and are directing a fair amount of rancor in my direction.
As others have pointed out, with good reason. Initially, it seemed you were merely unenthusiastic about Blu-ray, which is understandable.

The point at which you crossed the line is when you started using false data (and some flat-out lies) to support an already-shaky theory. And when confronted with that you got extremely defensive and refuse to accept any viewpoint other than what you came in with. All of that strikes me as someone with a nasty bias who's here to start trouble, not someone who's here to learn.
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I also do not think that there will be only one hd standard. There is a real possibility that there could be several hd standards in the world. My odds on favorite, if a second emerges, is ch-dvd which is based on hd-dvd. Ch-dvd would be my odds on favorite to win yhe China market at least. If it does that then where it goes next is anybody's guess.
You mean the CH DVD standard that hasn't been launched yet and isn't expected to for some time? The one without studio support? The one with players that are expected to be more expensive (and thus less affordable) for Americans, let alone a worse-off China? The one in a country that's at least 3-5 years behind the US in HD adoption and is the largest producer of pirated material?

Hahahahahahaha!
post #46 of 52

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This thread brings back memories from 1997-1999, when I bought a lot of Laserdiscs for cheap due to the switch to DVD, because I was not sure if DVD was here to stay (in April 99 I relented and bought a DVD player). While I had a lot of fun then with those LDs, in retrospect I wish I would have kept the money for my later DVD purchases. I certainly will not make the mistake again to trade short term gratification with long term contentment.
post #47 of 52

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Originally Posted by Hartwig Hanser
While I had a lot of fun then with those LDs, in retrospect I wish I would have kept the money for my later DVD purchases. I certainly will not make the mistake again to trade short term gratification with long term contentment.

Valid point. While HD DVD is not entirely the same thing as LD (at least HD DVD was much "cheaper" etc), there are certain similarities for sure.

I´ve personally bought some cheap HD DVDs now when the war is over, but if the BD-version is also available, I´ll get that. Even if it costs me some more..

While it´s true that DVD, HD DVD, Blu-ray etc software is not very good "investment" (since these new SEs, Dir.Cut, Unrated etc-versions are coming all the time) and hardly never "future proof" (since double-dipping is inevitable for the fans like us), but I feel that since Blu-ray is now the "format of choice" when it comes to HD, why not get my films in that format..
post #48 of 52

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I´ve personally bought some cheap HD DVDs now when the war is over, but if the BD-version is also available, I´ll get that.
If you mean: replace HD DVDs you already own, then at the moment I'm not doing that. It's questionable if the HD DVD wouldn't last as long as the new BD, but if it wouldn't there will be a possibility to buy a new BD any time after all.
Apart from the question what the preferred format will be in, say, ten years. Perhaps a 4k-HDM!


Cees
post #49 of 52

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While I had a lot of fun then with those LDs, in retrospect I wish I would have kept the money for my later DVD purchases. I certainly will not make the mistake again to trade short term gratification with long term contentment.
Well there is a big difference between LD->DVD and HD-DVD->Bluray. DVD was superior to LD in video quality, even if many of the first DVDs were quite poor and used the previous LD transfer. HD-DVD is equal to Bluray and HDM as a whole has the experience of DVD in how to make quality transfers and encoding. Sure there will be improvements in the quality of Bluray encodes in the future but not of the level of DVD with non-enhanced composite LD transfer to 16x9 enhanced DVD encoded from an HD master. That also doesn't include the superior form-factor of DVD over LD, which HD-DVD and Bluray are again equal.

I agree that going crazy and buying HD-DVD movies that are "on sale" may not be the best choice. I am very selective and the movie must be one I will watch several times and be $12 or less and cheaper than the Bluray version by a bit. Of course my HDM buying has been much more selective from the beginning after lessons learned from buying DVDs and only buy what I know I will watch at least 4 or 5 times in the next few years. Now if there was a true firesale and every HD-DVD left was $5, I would buy everything I don't own and would want to watch at least once since that is the cost of a Blu rental anyway.
post #50 of 52

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Well as far as HD-DVDs are concerned with me, my location of two CCs has run completely dry. Two more places to try closer to home over the weekend. But I did speak to three Walmart employees and two didn't know about the status of their HD-DVDs and one indicated that Walmart is going to switch over officially in June, therefore expect a sale on HD-DVDs in May. Maybe this will be my chance to get the ones I want other than Amazon. I'm suprise Walmart hasn't jumped on the bandwagon to get rid of HD-DVDs yet, but it may be worth the wait.
post #51 of 52

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They've been removed from my local Walmarts a while back so I seriously doubt I'll see any sales here.
post #52 of 52

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Funny; my Wal*Marts (I'm fairly local to 4) had discounted Uni and Paramount titles.
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