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post #31 of 77
3/24/08 at 9:53am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by Charles H
Lionel Chetwynd wrote and directed a little-seen and never available on video feature documentary DARKNESS AT HIGH NOON: THE CARL FOREMAN DOCUMENTS (2002). It is a provocative film that casts both John Wayne and Stanley Kramer in an unfavorable light and it is based on the letters of Carl Foreman whose future Blacklisted career was most impacted by the McCarthy era's political reaction to HIGH NOON. I haven't seen it but the imdb's reactions to it suggest that this would be (have been) the most significant extra to the SE.

I guess that Paramount will have had some hand in this release (it's their restoration that will be used after all), and would, I suspect, veto anything that shows Wayne - still one of their major money spinners - in too bad a light (and holding licenses for many of Wayne's Republic films, maybe Lionsgate feel the same). I've not seen 'Darkness at High Noon', though I've read a bit about it, and would love to do so; the most charitable comment I can make is that it wasn't the Duke's finest hour.
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post #32 of 77
3/24/08 at 10:52am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by John Hodson
I guess that Paramount will have had some hand in this release (it's their restoration that will be used after all), and would, I suspect, veto anything that shows Wayne - still one of their major money spinners - in too bad a light (and holding licenses for many of Wayne's Republic films, maybe Lionsgate feel the same). I've not seen 'Darkness at High Noon', though I've read a bit about it, and would love to do so; the most charitable comment I can make is that it wasn't the Duke's finest hour.
However, is that story told from just one side of it? IMO, there is always two sides of a story and both need to be told in order to get a real sense of what happened as to Wayne's role.





Crawdaddy
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post #33 of 77
3/24/08 at 11:44am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

The activities of the Motion Picture Alliance for The Preservation of American Ideals is well documented, Wayne's support and membership of it is also on the record; the extent of Wayne's activities in the Alliance has been the subject of debate for a while. Roberts and Olsen say he was forgiving of those 'willing to be forgiven'. Carl Foreman was unrepentent.

His trying to stop the filming of 'High Noon', to blacklist participants not only forms part of 'Darkness at High Noon', but may also be included in the new documentary, it's certainly come out in John Mulholland's research. If Wayne is guilty of trying to wreck the careers of those he suspected, if not of being of the left, but simply associating with such, it doesn't help the Wayne industry much for that dirty linen to be washed in public.

I can't really judge what is 'guilty' and what is not, the heresay evidence doesn't make for appetising reading, but in mitigation the climate of the time was pretty hysterical all round.

However, I have seen Big Jim McLain - ouch!
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post #34 of 77
3/24/08 at 12:40pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by John Hodson

I can't really judge what is 'guilty' and what is not, the heresay evidence doesn't make for appetising reading, but in mitigation the climate of the time was pretty hysterical all round.

However, I have seen Big Jim McLain - ouch!
It seems to me that people have already judge Wayne as guilty.
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post #35 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:01pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

It's very difficult when one's heroes are alleged to be merely human, if not of having feet of clay.

Let him throw the first stone...
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post #36 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:07pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by John Hodson
It's very difficult when one's heroes are alleged to be merely human, if not of having feet of clay.

Let him throw the first stone...
Only problem is that I never admired any actor enough for them to be classified as my hero. They're actors, playing various roles which makes it difficult for me to hero worship any of them.





Crawdaddy
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post #37 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:12pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

As I understand it DARKNESS AT HIGH NOON is told from the viewpoint of the Foreman family. I believe that I read in a Variey review that Chetwynd is politically conservative and that the real news in the documentary is Stanley Kramer's conduct--not Wayne's.

Does anyone know why HIGH NOON, which portends to be in "real time," begins at 11:30 am per the clock with the train arriving at HIGH NOON is actually only 84 minutes long?
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post #38 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:22pm

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Originally Posted by Charles H

Does anyone know why HIGH NOON, which portends to be in "real time," begins at 11:30 am per the clock with the train arriving at HIGH NOON is actually only 84 minutes long?
From memory, I think the time per the clock is something like 10:35 a.m.

Edit: Oops, after reading your post again, I realized you weren't talking about the beginning of the film when Frank Miller's gang arrives in town, but instead the train's arrival. Anyhow, it's close enough to the timeline so I don't understand your inquiry?
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post #39 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:32pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Only problem is that I never admired any actor enough for them to be classified as my hero. They're actors, playing various roles which makes it difficult for me to hero worship any of them.

I wish I were so detached; hero he was, is, and probably will be. I'm still that little boy with the silver six guns really...
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post #40 of 77
3/24/08 at 1:47pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

After thinking about the timeline some more isn't the train's arrival on-time with it's noon scheduled arrival? Can anybody confirmed.
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post #41 of 77
3/24/08 at 2:08pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

To the second.
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post #42 of 77
4/1/08 at 6:48pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

Barrie Maxwell over at digital bits states that Lions Gate themselves have informed him that this version of High Noon will have the restored print of the film on it, so I am not sure how much higher you can go for a source:

Barrie Maxewell posting on Lionsgate:

"One wonders about the thinking processes over at Lionsgate. With the entire Republic catalogue at its disposal, the only release of an American classic title it can come up with (and that it hasn’t released before) is Tobor the Great (1954) on May 13th. On May 27th, Lionsgate will also release The World War Collection, containing Angels One Five [1954, with Jack Hawkins], The Captive Heart [1946, with Michael Redgrave], King and Country [1964, with Dirk Bogarde], and The Sound Barrier [aka Breaking the Sound Barrier, 1952, with Ralph Richardson]). A two-disc edition of High Noon (1952) is set for a June 10th release and Lionsgate indicates it will feature Paramount’s restoration of the title. As part of a new line called the Celebrity Series, Lionsgate will release the Sophia Loren Collection on June 10th. Included are: Carosello Napoletano (1954), Attila (1954), Madame Sans-Gene (1962), and I Girasoli (1970). A Catherine Deneuve Collection due on the same date will include Manon 70 (1968) as well as later films - Le Sauvage (1975), Hotel des Ameriques (1981), Le Choc (1982), and Fort Saganne (1984)."
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post #43 of 77
4/12/08 at 6:22am

High Noon Ultimate Collector's Edition

Apologies if this has been mentioned before but I see that Lionsgate will be releasing a 2-disc set of High Noon on 6/10 that has a lot of supplemental material with it. As a long time favorite I'll be buying it but was wondering if there has been any restoration, etc. to the movie itself. Sadly, there are no plans for a Blu ray release.

Brad
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post #44 of 77
4/12/08 at 7:32am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

Brad,
I merged your post into this thread. You will find some of previous posts helpful in answering your question.





Crawdaddy
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post #45 of 77
4/12/08 at 11:36am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

Thanks. It's been a big help.

Brad
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post #46 of 77
4/12/08 at 12:28pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

For me this cannot be the "Ultimate" edition as it is missing the incredible commentary by Howard Suber that can only be found on the Criterion laserdisc.
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post #47 of 77
4/13/08 at 4:59pm

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Originally Posted by Greg Hoffman
For me this cannot be the "Ultimate" edition as it is missing the incredible commentary by Howard Suber that can only be found on the Criterion laserdisc.

So good is Howard Suber's commentary, that I've actually attempted to sync it up with a simultaneously running DVD of HIGH NOON!

Harry
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post #48 of 77
5/4/08 at 4:10pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

John Mulholland has a intro video for his Inside High Noon showing here:

MySpace.com - INSIDE HIGH NOON - 55 - Male - NEW YORK, New York - www.myspace.com/insidehighnoon
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post #49 of 77
5/4/08 at 4:23pm

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Thanks for the link
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post #50 of 77
6/1/08 at 3:32pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

Hello,

I've seen on the TCM site that the June 10 release for High Noon Ultimate will be 'widescreen'. Is this possible for a 1952 film release? Anyone have an inside track on this?

Thanks.
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post #51 of 77
6/1/08 at 3:51pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid
Hello,

I've seen on the TCM site that the June 10 release for High Noon Ultimate will be 'widescreen'. Is this possible for a 1952 film release? Anyone have an inside track on this?

Thanks.
The movie was filmed in 1951 and in 1.37:1 aspect ratio. The site is in error.





Crawdaddy
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post #52 of 77
6/1/08 at 6:04pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

I was surprised to see this set on sale today in a WalMart I visited.
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post #53 of 77
6/1/08 at 8:34pm

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Any new word on the whether this release is an improvement on the image quality vs. the prior releases?

What about a restoration release of The Quiet Man? I had understood that it was in the works.
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post #54 of 77
6/2/08 at 3:23am

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid
Any new word on the whether this release is an improvement on the image quality vs. the prior releases?

What about a restoration release of The Quiet Man? I had understood that it was in the works.

The new 'High Noon' transfer is vastly superior to every other iteration. There has been absolutely no news on 'The Quiet Man'. I wish.

BTW, I understand that around four minutes of footage, cut from the new documentary on the latest 'High Noon' release, may be released via the internet.
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post #55 of 77
6/3/08 at 12:50pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by John Hodson
BTW, I understand that around four minutes of footage, cut from the new documentary on the latest 'High Noon' release, may be released via the internet.

Ah; that cut footage - mainly dealing with Wayne's role in the affair - can now be found here.
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post #56 of 77
6/3/08 at 1:03pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by John Hodson
Ah; that cut footage - mainly dealing with Wayne's role in the affair - can now be found here.
If John Wayne was so powerful and could threaten to blacklist other great actors like Gary Cooper then how come he couldn't come up with the cash to buy "The Gunfighter" script which was written with him in mind as Jimmy Ringo?
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post #57 of 77
6/3/08 at 1:24pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
If John Wayne was so powerful and could threaten to blacklist other great actors like Gary Cooper then how come he couldn't come up with the cash to buy "The Gunfighter" script which was written with him in mind as Jimmy Ringo?

Sorry Robert, I don't understand your point; it's generally accepted that by 1950 Wayne was not only one of the hottest properties on the planet, but that he also became very politically active.
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post #58 of 77
6/3/08 at 1:31pm

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Originally Posted by John Hodson
Sorry Robert, I don't understand your point; it's generally accepted that by 1950 Wayne was not only one of the hottest properties on the planet, but that he also became very politically active.
My point is very clear, I don't think Wayne had enough power to threaten Gary Cooper another film icon. The news about Wayne being a staunch anti-communist is well established, but I find it hard to believe that he had enough pull to hurt Gary Cooper in the film industry. Furthermore, if Hawks was so powerful, how come he took off for Europe for so many years and directed not one film before he came back to direct Rio Bravo? No where am I saying that both Wayne and Hawks weren't very political in their views, but being political doesn't mean you have the power to hurt another film icons career. All of these accusations after these men are dead and aren't around to defend themselves just doesn't seem right to me.
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post #59 of 77
6/3/08 at 1:37pm

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Ah, I see. Clearly Paramount, who commissioned the doco, were also concerned (presumably for a number of reasons), hence the cuts. Personally, I think they were the best of times, and they were the worst of times...
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post #60 of 77
6/3/08 at 3:56pm

Re: HIGH NOON on 6/10 from LionsGate?

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
being political doesn't mean you have the power to hurt another film icons career.

Than what of Elia Kazaan, Walt Disney and countless others prominent Hollywood figures who testified before the HUAC and destroyed many careers?
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