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post #31 of 62
4/10/08 at 7:09am

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Dale may be an ass, but that does not mean that Lisa is not negative—she seems to be pouting when she is not complaining.

For sure Spike and Zoi should not have let Antonia steamroll them. Last week Dale was much better in going along with Andrew and Richard.
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post #32 of 62
4/10/08 at 7:22am

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Dale had immunity last week - so it didn't really matter to him.

Antonia should have done the same thing and backed off. But, whatever dish the Earth Team cooked should have been correctly seasoned.
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post #33 of 62
4/10/08 at 3:14pm

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It might depend on how that scene was cut. My impression -- which might have be the intent from the edit -- is that yes, Dale was pissy that Lisa won with bacon. That she was negative the whole time, but he didn't say anything about it -- his choice. And then at the very end, when he spoke out -- and for what exactly I don't recall -- Lisa told him to chill, and that's what caused him to blow up and accuse her of being a hypocrite. And if that is the case, he would have a point.

Doesn't mean Dale is not an ass, though
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post #34 of 62
4/11/08 at 3:18am
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Its all about the editing on these shows. They can take anything that someone says completely out of context and spin it to make it appear the way they want. Its all about the drama anyway. And if there is no conflict you bet they will make something happen so there is.

Hense the "Watch what happens" moniker.
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post #35 of 62
4/11/08 at 3:35pm

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Zoi’s attempt at flying under the radar finally caught up with her. Two weeks ago during the block party challenge, she said on-camera, but not to her team that she was unhappy with making a pasta salad. But she went ahead and did it without too much protestation. Then (at least according to the judges) her dish was bland to the point that one of the judges said that you could get as good a pasta salad at the local grocery store.

Zoi lucked out then, but this week, once again (and unlike Dale) she did not make any strong arguments for any alternative dishes or approaches. And once again she provided an under-seasoned dish.

And last week she was one of the most vocal in complaining that the two winning dishes “could not taste good”. Of course without having tasted them.

Dale may be an ass and Andrew might be an even bigger one, but at least they have a point of view and are not afraid to be creative and actually cook something different.
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post #36 of 62
4/27/08 at 10:14pm
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Richard is still kicking it up. I see him winning the whole thing.
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post #37 of 62
4/28/08 at 5:09pm

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Richard, Dale and Stephanie are at the top of my list. I think that Lisa is a fine chef, but her attitude will doom her at some point (and that could have happened last week).
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post #38 of 62
4/29/08 at 6:52am

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I think it's between Richard and Dale with Richard having the edge. He is really innovative and his winning dish showed that he can cook and not just rely on technology.
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post #39 of 62
5/17/08 at 1:39am
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Well it was about time that Andrew went. He could be a real ass. I really don't see Spike or Lisa not making it much longer. Dale could be up with his attitude too but I see him making it into the finals for some reason.

Next up: Restaurant Wars.

Could be interesting.
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post #40 of 62
5/21/08 at 3:03pm

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Restaurant wars returns tonight.

The teams will be the thing: can anyone other than Richard team with Dale? And can anyone at all team up with Lisa?
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post #41 of 62
5/22/08 at 1:43am
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Lew:

Good question. We shall see who ends up with who.
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post #42 of 62
5/22/08 at 7:04am

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I was fairly surpised that Dale went instead of Lisa, but he was exec chef so it was his responsibility. Spike dodged the bullet and I think Lisa will be gone next.
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post #43 of 62
5/22/08 at 4:03pm

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If Dale had lost the coin toss (meaning that Lisa would have been the executive chef), I expect that Dale would still be cooking.

Also if his narrow second place in the Quickfire Challenge had been just a bit better (or the judge had given him the nod in a close one), he too would have picked Richard and Stephanie. And again, he would probably still be cooking.

In any case he went out with more class than many.
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post #44 of 62
5/28/08 at 11:44pm
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I was really surprised that they let Dale go instead of Lisa. Personally I thought she did a poor job in the kitchen (at least what they showed us). I just think they chose Dale because he was the executive chef.
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post #45 of 62
5/29/08 at 7:08am

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I would have far preferred Dale to remain—but for sure he did not do a good job as the head guy. The menu was poor, his communication skills were lacking and he did not in any way demonstrate that he knew how to run a kitchen.

Just as in any job, the skills in doing are not the same as those in leading.

And last night, Lisa skated by one more time, as Spike went out the door. But I can’t see here making it one more time, unless one of the other three has a meltdown or a culinary disaster.

I thought that the best chefs were Richard, Dale and Stephanie. With Dale out my picks:
1.Richard
2.Stephanie
3.Antonia

But any could step up on the day.
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post #46 of 62
6/4/08 at 11:10am

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For the first many weeks, none of the women chefs had the kitchen or leadership skills to be worthy of Top Chef. Richard, Dale and Andrew were at the top on average. Suddenly Antonia found a whole bunch of kitchen skills a few weeks ago and now Andrew and Dale are gone. Lisa and Spike have(had) held on this long due to the golden rule: Come in 2nd to last until the finals. Dale forgot the leadership rule (even though it was used against Nikki earlier) "Executive chef is fully responsible and there are no excuses". If he had tried to save Lisa's crappy dishes instead of just letting her fail on her own, he might still be here.

It is a toss up now for most deserving to be Top Chef between Richard and Antonia.
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post #47 of 62
6/5/08 at 3:01am
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I still think it will be Richard but this season they have three ladies and one guy. The odd are good that one of the ladies like Stephanie or Antonia will win it. Out of the four remaining I think Richard is the best chef.
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post #48 of 62
6/5/08 at 5:28am

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I cannot believe that Lisa is still there. She has been next-to-last for the past 3 weeks or something like that. I think she is definitely the weakest of the 3 remaining.
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post #49 of 62
6/5/08 at 6:05am

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Lisa may well be the luckiest contestant ever on Top Chef, as week after week she turns in a sub par performance, but is saved as someone else is worse (or in Dale’s case, in charge).

Regardless, one has to be impressed with Stephanie keeping her cool when her pork belly was left out overnight. Dale may have been at fault, but he too just focused on the task at hand as they revamped the menu the next day (and he suggested (or at least collaborated in thinking up) the winning dish).
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post #50 of 62
6/5/08 at 6:36am

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I cannot believe that Lisa is still there. She has been next-to-last for the past 3 weeks or something like that. I think she is definitely the weakest of the 3 remaining.
She and Spike were the weakest two since the halfway point. So why didn't Stephanie and Richard congratulate her? Because she didn't deserve to be there over Antonia and now they are worried about losing to an average chef.

Anyone have a guess as to the context of the quote for next week: "This has never happened on Top Chef before." or something like that. I'm going with flat out tie for first.
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post #51 of 62
6/5/08 at 9:52am

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The whole thing about congratulating her bothered me. I can't remember - did she congratulate them? I don't recall her saying anything other than, "Wow, you won a car?"
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post #52 of 62
6/6/08 at 9:00am
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I just think that Lisa didn't expect to be there with them either at the end. When she was chosen over Antonia even she was surprised and think she carried that over to the room with with Richard and Stephanie. I loved Richard's aside when he said "So you won the bronze medal. Congratulations."

I think Antonia just lost her mind under the stress of competition. Normally she wouldn't think of putting three dishes together on the same plate she would single them out as you should. For some reason her brain just left her and she made a choice that cost her.

I just hope that Richard and Stephanie can keep it together enough in the finale to not let Lisa slip through.
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post #53 of 62
6/11/08 at 9:14pm

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Well, I was rooting for Richard, but I had a feeling a girl would win this year. I don't know, call it a man's intuition. I am just glad that Lisa didn't win. I really thought they were going to give it to her at the end.
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post #54 of 62
6/12/08 at 6:32am

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I thought Richard would win, but he "choked" (his word). He seemed to be a bit panicky in the kitchen and his menu was too ambitious. Most of his wins during the series didn't involve his "molecular gastronomy" techniques. Maybe he should have trusted his culinary skills and stayed away from the distractions of technology.

I, too, was worried that Lisa might win because the judges clearly enjoyed some of her dishes. They always say that it doesn't matter what you've done in previous shows, the judging is based on that day's challenge.

I also thought that a woman would probably win this year, after all boys have won every other season, and I'm afraid that Richard just handed it to Stephanie.
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post #55 of 62
6/12/08 at 8:41am

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Richard may have choked—or at least not had his best night, but (without having tasted the food) I think that Stephanie deserves some credit for having “nailed” (as Tom mentioned) some of her dishes. No doubt that her last course would not have been good enough to have won if she had not had a clear advantage over the first three—but then again Richard’s first course was under seasoned (a basic mistake) and his third was (even to him) disappointing. Lisa’s soup dumpling was a standout but the judges clearly thought that her first course was not well balanced and her third missed the mark.
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post #56 of 62
6/12/08 at 8:51am

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Originally Posted by Lew Crippen
Richard may have choked—or at least not had his best night, but (without having tasted the food) I think that Stephanie deserves some credit for having “nailed” (as Tom mentioned) some of her dishes. No doubt that her last course would not have been good enough to have won if she had not had a clear advantage over the first three—but then again Richard’s first course was under seasoned (a basic mistake) and his third was (even to him) disappointing. Lisa’s soup dumpling was a standout but the judges clearly thought that her first course was not well balanced and her third missed the mark.

I didn't mean to imply that Stephanie didn't deserve it, just that Richard's meltdown made it easier for her.

It always surprises me when the contestants are so shocked when they have to do a desert. They had a break between becoming the finalists and the actual finals. Surely they should all have had at least one killer desert up their sleeve. Stephanie could have lost because of her desert.
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post #57 of 62
6/12/08 at 12:05pm

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Yeah, I definitely think Stephanie deserved it. I didn't mean to say the fix was in, I just thought a woman would win this year. I am just shocked that Lisa wasn't cut 6 or 7 weeks ago.
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post #58 of 62
6/12/08 at 6:46pm

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It didn't seem like the judges were as excited about the last few contestants this year as they were last year. Last season, they told both Hung and Dale that they both had dishes that were so good that they should carry them with them for the rest of their careers. I didn't get the impression that they loved any of the dishes from this year's contestants quite that much.
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post #59 of 62
6/13/08 at 12:41am
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I am glad that Stephanie won but really wanted Richard to win. I really felt for him. What a night for him to "choke".
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post #60 of 62
6/14/08 at 11:35am

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I'm not surprised at the dessert comment. I love to cook, but dessert seems to be the last thing on my mind when it comes to food. I'm very very glad that Lisa didn't win.
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