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post #3151 of 4317
2/6/12 at 9:26am
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Lee,

Do you happen to have any information on why Bruce Hyde left (or was cut from) the series? Personally, I really liked Lt. Riley.
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post #3152 of 4317
2/6/12 at 10:27am

I don't think he was exactly cut from the series, as I don't think he was ever intended as a continuing part of it. He auditioned for Riley in The Naked Time, which was a one-off guest part, and then came back to audition for a one-off guest part in The Conscience of the King. After he got the part, they realized he had just been on as Riley, so they changed the name of the new character to match. Unlike many of the bit players and extras we have been discussing lately, these were substantial guest parts, so they probably figured it would be strange if they had the same actor playing two different parts so close together.

 

I thought he was wonderful in The Naked Time. Conscience was not as good a role, but he was convincing there, too, particularly in his engineering room scene. (Funny how his best work in both shows ended up being on that set...) If Chekov had not been created for the second season, I could easily see Riley coming in to play most of those parts.

 

Still thinking about other Mr. Leslie dialogue...

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post #3153 of 4317
2/6/12 at 10:51am
Yes, "This is mutiny Mister!" is one of the Mr. Leslie sequences. smile.gif

I saw Bruce Hyde in the late 70's at a Star Trek convention in San Francisco. All I remember of it was he spoke on stage and then signed autographs and he signed my poster! (Oops, I see I already mentioned this before late last year! )

Here's a great set of interviews with him:

http://www.startrekhistory.com/interviews.html#HYDE
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post #3154 of 4317
2/6/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Nelson Au View Post

Yes, "This is mutiny Mister!" is one of the Mr. Leslie sequences. smile.gif
I saw Bruce Hyde in the late 70's at a Star Trek convention in San Francisco. All I remember of it was he spoke on stage and then signed autographs and he signed my poster! (Oops, I see I already mentioned this before late last year! )
Here's a great set of interviews with him:
http://www.startrekhistory.com/interviews.html#HYDE

Nelson,

Thanks. I will take a peek at these today. smile.gif

Addendum: That was excellent, Nelson! Thanks. Bruce and I have a few things in common, too. We both got our Ph.D, got a position as a professor in a university, and each of us writes music and plays an instrument or two. Did he really just render Kathleen one ... more ... time? smiley_wink.gif

I'm going to watch the second interview (Lev Mailer) next. Thanks again.
Edited by Ockeghem - 2/6/12 at 11:24am
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post #3155 of 4317
2/6/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by FanCollector View Post

I don't think he was exactly cut from the series, as I don't think he was ever intended as a continuing part of it. He auditioned for Riley in The Naked Time, which was a one-off guest part, and then came back to audition for a one-off guest part in The Conscience of the King. After he got the part, they realized he had just been on as Riley, so they changed the name of the new character to match. Unlike many of the bit players and extras we have been discussing lately, these were substantial guest parts, so they probably figured it would be strange if they had the same actor playing two different parts so close together.

I thought he was wonderful in The Naked Time. Conscience was not as good a role, but he was convincing there, too, particularly in his engineering room scene. (Funny how his best work in both shows ended up being on that set...) If Chekov had not been created for the second season, I could easily see Riley coming in to play most of those parts.

Still thinking about other Mr. Leslie dialogue...

Lee,

Isn't it interesting too how some characters that only made a couple of appearances seem to have been in more episodes than they actually were? I think it was you who brought this up when we were talking about those who 'round out the crew,' so to speak. (This would have been several pages ago.) And the hypothetical crew numbers anywhere between 428 and 432, yet the airtime given to the eight or nine 'regulars' seems to be enough in conveying somehow that there are substantially more on the ship.

Can you imagine no Chekov in seasons two and three? If for one, cannot. So if push came to shove, I'd have to say that the correct decision was eventually made with regard to Koenig.

Addendum: Another character I would have loved to have seen more of was Bailey.
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post #3156 of 4317
2/6/12 at 11:30am
Poor Bailey! Yes, he must still be out there with Clint Howard.smile.gif

Regarding Chekov, there must have been some unhappiness on the set for some time during the second season for George Takei. We know the stories that with his time off Star Trek to film The Green Berets, and the unexpected delays due to weather, George was late to return to the 23rd Century. So his lines went to Walter Keonig. And after all Takei went through to fight for more to do were undone by John Wayne. smile.gif

Can you imagine if Sulu was on Triskelion or K7 with Uhura or helped the landing party fight Apollo? Of course I don't know which episodes exactly Takei missed, but it would have really altered the course of the season in how we remember them.
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post #3157 of 4317
2/6/12 at 12:55pm
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"Poor Bailey! Yes, he must still be out there with Clint Howard."

LOL. Whoooosh! (If you don't watch DS9, you might not get that reference.)

Nelson,

Nice post. Several times I will think of an episode of TOS, and wonder why he/she is not in it. And I'll often be watching an episode and it will hit me that he/she isn't in it, even though I was almost certain that he/she was in fact in it. Just the other day I was watching one and asked myself, "Where is Lt. Uhura?"
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post #3158 of 4317
2/6/12 at 1:00pm

I saw Bruce Hyde at a convention in 1983 or 1984; very charming and fun guest. He did indeed render Kathleen again, among other songs.

 

Scott, I don't think I would trade Chekov for Riley. I just meant that I could imagine Riley fulfilling a similar function. Everything would have been invented by the Irish, etc. I find it ironic that the people with little to do were seen dozens of times, but the crewmen with significant parts like Bailey and Riley only appear once or twice. (Full guest star crewmembers, like Dr. Ann Mulhall, are a different issue entirely. Obviously, they would be too expensive to have on a frequent basis.)

 

Nelson, Takei missed I, Mudd (apart from his brief teaser appearance) through By Any Other Name. Tribbles and Triskelion are the ones in the sequence with significant Chekov roles and they were both originally written for Sulu. I heard them talking about the beginning of Koenig's tenure. They shared a dressing room, and Takei said he did feel threatened by Koenig's presence and that he was very aloof and unfriendly to him at first. Koenig said that he was nervous about joining the cast after a year, and that the thing that made him feel most comfortable and accepted was how warm, welcoming, and gracious George Takei was from day one.

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post #3159 of 4317
2/6/12 at 1:54pm
Scott, I do watch DS9, but the woosh reference escapes me!

As your post so clearly illustrates and Lee's post clarifies, Takei missed nearly 1/2 the season, yet he seems to be seemingly there the whole time! Thanks for the info on episodes missed, that was a lot. I wonder if he still got paid. Probably had a contract to be paid for appearances, if he missed them, then he didn't get paid.

Edit: I forgot to mention Lee, when I saw Bruce Hyde in the late 70's, he was still very young looking and as you said, I recall he was very nice. I don't remember for sure, but he may have belted out Kathleen! smile.gif
Edited by Nelson Au - 2/6/12 at 2:20pm
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post #3160 of 4317
2/6/12 at 2:31pm

No one besides the three stars had pay-or-play contracts for every episode. He didn't show up--he didn't get paid. Of course most of the time, we're only talking about one or two days a week of filming for the supporting characters. And in the second season especially, there was a lot of switching off between Sulu and Chekov even before The Green Berets. 

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post #3161 of 4317
2/6/12 at 2:58pm
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Scott, I do watch DS9, but the woosh reference escapes me!

Nelson,

He played Grady in the DS9 episode, Past Tense. He was a vagrant of sorts, and said things like "Whoooosh!" and "They come in your dreams!" He was a bit 'out there,' so to speak. You probably also know that he played the Ferengi Muk in the ENT episode, Acquisition.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Clint_Howard
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post #3162 of 4317
2/6/12 at 7:48pm
Thanks Scott. I remember him in that episode now! Just didn't remember the wooosh. It's been a while since I've seen that one. I remember him better as the Ferengi.

Lee, I've often wondered about how the actors got on with salaries. I recall that Nichelle Nichols missed Turnabout Intruder since she had a singing gig. So they took on as many jobs as they could. Given Shatner's income was somewhere in the $120,000 range in the first season, and Nimoy was half that or so, and Kelley less then that probably, I imagine the supporting actors had to do other jobs. TV stardom wasn't as glamorous as it looks for the supporting players.
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post #3163 of 4317
2/6/12 at 10:03pm

Well, Shatner's 150K or so would have come to about 200K with residuals for the first rerun at 50% and assuming about 20 reruns. Nimoy made 1/4 of that the first year and Kelley 1/6. The others made much less. Of course, this is in 1966 dollars, so in today's money, Shatner made the equivalent of well over a million dollars, Nimoy over 300,000 and Kelley almost a quarter million. Not untold riches, but pretty definitely their most lucrative professional year to that time. The supporting actors might have been able to live on what they made, but it's easy to see why Takei jumped at The Green Berets, for example.

 

Scott, not ready for full-fledged hints yet, but can you tell us in how many shows Leslie had dialogue?

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post #3164 of 4317
2/6/12 at 11:10pm
Thanks Lee. I thought Nimoy was around $2500 per episode and Shatner was $5000 an episode. I had no idea what Kelley was earning, but I can see your figure making sense.

It was me who asked about Leslie. I think he had dialogue in two episodes.
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post #3165 of 4317
2/7/12 at 5:26am

Nimoy and Kelley got major raises to $2500 in the second year, when Shatner made $5500. The first year, they made $1250 and $850 respectively, plus Kelley missed out on four shows. 

 

Sorry for the Leslie confusion. So one more? I'm working on it.

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post #3166 of 4317
2/7/12 at 6:43am
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"Scott, not ready for full-fledged hints yet, but can you tell us in how many shows Leslie had dialogue?"

Lee and Nelson,

I can think of two: This Side Of Paradise (already mentioned), and one in which he had the most extensive dialogue for his character (The Naked Time). I watched the latter episode last night, and was surprised to hear how much Leslie spoke in this one (this occurred while he was sitting at Sulu's station).
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post #3167 of 4317
2/7/12 at 7:41am
It's amazing Lee to learn from Shatner's books he lost all that money in his divorce. And I recall an interview with Kelley where he was so typecast after Star Trek he was unemployed mostly and was collecting unemployment. Same with pretty much the entire supporting cast. Though I got the impression Takei made out alright. Nice to know they made out okay in the films and Nimoy saw to it that Kelley got a substantial raise for Star Trek 6 to be sure he was set for the rest of his life.

Scott! I forgot about The Naked Time! I looked that up, he was actually Brent in that episode. So technically, Pasky was portraying another character. But if we look at it as how many times Eddie Paskey had dialogue, then that counts! smile.gif

And Paskey was Conners too in Mudd's Women where McCoy shoes him out of Sickbay when Ruth comes in.

That reminds me, another actor who played a crew member who added to the layers of the ship was Farrell. those early episodes were quite rich now that I think about it.
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post #3168 of 4317
2/7/12 at 10:32am
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Nelson,

You're right, he was Brent -- I heard that last night. I think Lee would have listed that one as well had it been Paskey (as opposed to only Leslie) as part of the original question. My bad. smiley_wink.gif

I totally agree with regard to Farrell. I liked him a lot in the very early episodes. He has quite a lot of dialogue in Mudd's Women (especially during the opening sequence, although it gets more after he sees Mudd's women).

" ... and Nimoy saw to it that Kelley got a substantial raise for Star Trek 6 to be sure he was set for the rest of his life."

That's one of the nicest things I've read on this Board in quite a while. Thanks for sharing it. smile.gif
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post #3169 of 4317
2/7/12 at 11:16am

You're kind, but I just didn't remember which episode had him saying all that stuff at the helm/navigation console. I was being ignorant, not technical.

 

Another thing to remember is that they all had to pay agent's commissions too. 

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post #3170 of 4317
2/7/12 at 11:17am
Hey Scott, sure. Leonard Nimoy is a classy guy! He saw to it that Kelley was paid 1 million for Trek 6.

I'm going to have to do Season 1 marathon soon!
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post #3171 of 4317
2/7/12 at 12:48pm
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Nelson and Lee,

It was one (or both) of you who mentioned The Naked Time recently. It truly is a gem in the entire series for a lot of reasons. Maybe we could discuss the episode a bit, if you wish.

When watching it last night, I did a double take when Joey Tormolin walks into Rec. Area 39. I thought I saw Barbara Baldavin sitting at the end of the table with her head in her hands. But when they show us a close-up later (this is when Joey is feeling the effects of the space sickness more stringently), I realized that it wasn't her. How I would have loved to have been one of the 'extras' in the room during that shot. I could have walked over and gotten the autographs of both George Takei and Bruce Hyde -- twenty or so years before they knew they would be thought of as icons of sorts. smiley_wink.gif
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post #3172 of 4317
2/7/12 at 12:52pm
Oh yes, Lee. Those agents get a percentage. And there were the SAG dues and whatever else they had to pay.frown.gif
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post #3173 of 4317
2/7/12 at 2:24pm
Love Star Trek, Terminator, Star Wars, etc. so I'm not anti-sci-fi, but good heavens people, this thread has gone on for almost 3200 posts. Isn't it time to give it a rest?

Even TOS is what, 35 or so years old. Time out for a while.
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post #3174 of 4317
2/7/12 at 2:47pm
Actually Stan, 46 years since TOS first aired, but whose counting.smile.gif

We're having our fun here.
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post #3175 of 4317
2/7/12 at 3:03pm
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Nelson and Lee,

Thanks for the wonderful information, and please keep it coming. Great stuff, as usual. I think Lee must work at this secret TOS library that he's keeping all to himself. Perhaps he is Mr. Atoz (that is to say, Mr. A to Z) after all? smiley_wink.gif

Nelson,

I believe Lee deferred to you for the next question. smile.gif
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post #3176 of 4317
2/7/12 at 3:59pm

Stan, perhaps moderation is overrated. Like arithmetic and manners.

 

Scott, I agree that The Naked Time is a gem, and especially as an early entry in the series. Along with The Enemy Within, it uses a suspense/crisis format as a means of exploring the inner workings of the characters. While many drama series eventually tackle those issues, very few, particularly in the adventure genre, do it so early and so unflinchingly. The briefing room scene, where Spock regains control as Kirk loses his, is one of the best in the series. George Takei, for all his personal feelings about William Shatner, has written that one of his big regrets is that he didn't come to the set that day to see that scene filmed. The episode is also remarkable in that the life-threatening crisis is averted, but the inner conflicts we glimpse in Kirk and Spock are there to stay. We understand them better, but they aren't "fixed" by the end of the episode. They just go back to functioning in spite of what we know is still, always, troubling them.

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post #3177 of 4317
2/7/12 at 4:26pm
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Actually Stan, 46 years since TOS first aired, but whose counting.smile.gif
We're having our fun here.

Not meant to insult anybody, sorry if I did.

Thank you Nelson, you just aged me quite a few years. Remember watching this in 1969, so obviously my math was off.

Funny story for those interested. My brothers and I were watching an episode, haven't the slightest idea which one, but it had the very tall guy from the Addams Family, bald with very sunken cheeks. Remember something to do with a severed hand and a bunch of sparking wires sticking out. Anyhow, my little sister screamed, ran out of the room, and we were all banned from watching Star Trek for several weeks. Except for very few exeptions, chicks and sci-fi flicks don't mesh.

Probably get slammed for that las statement, but I'd bet 90% or more of this forum is male.
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post #3178 of 4317
2/7/12 at 6:00pm
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Not meant to insult anybody, sorry if I did.
Thank you Nelson, you just aged me quite a few years. Remember watching this in 1969, so obviously my math was off.
Funny story for those interested. My brothers and I were watching an episode, haven't the slightest idea which one, but it had the very tall guy from the Addams Family, bald with very sunken cheeks. Remember something to do with a severed hand and a bunch of sparking wires sticking out. Anyhow, my little sister screamed, ran out of the room, and we were all banned from watching Star Trek for several weeks. Except for very few exeptions, chicks and sci-fi flicks don't mesh.
Probably get slammed for that las statement, but I'd bet 90% or more of this forum is male.

Talking about guys and sci-fi, the Trek episode you are referring to Stan, was "What Are Little Girls Made Of"

Maybe your sister was afraid she had wires in her!?
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post #3179 of 4317
2/7/12 at 8:17pm
No worries Stan.

I have a vivid memory of seeing Platos Stepchildren during it's original run! And a vague memory of seeing The Immunity Syndrome, I remember the image of the giant cell.

So do we need a hint for that other scene where Leslie got to do some acting?
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post #3180 of 4317
2/7/12 at 8:19pm

On the other hand...

 

http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-news/item/3037-star-trek-survey-majority-of-trekkies-are-ladies.html

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