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:)  It's the obvious conclusion, I just of course speak for clients ;)  I unfortunately know of one who I can basically guarantee is going to bail as a result; too bad.  They were good to work with.   Good for me on the other end, though.. them buying up rounds of Avid equipment works to help make my future boat payment.
 

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Originally Posted by Sam Posten View Post

That's not going to happen, you must be new here. If you want answers and a company that is going to kowtow to your whims, go to Avid or Premiere. Apple couldn't be more clear.
post #92 of 142
Yeah, the FAQ didn't exactly fill my heart with warm fuzzys.
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Can I send my project to a sound editing application such as Pro Tools?

Yes; you can export your project in OMF or AAF format using Automatic Duck Pro Export FCP 5.0. More information is available on the Automatic Duck website: http://automaticduck.com/products/pefcp/.

Don't say yes when something that was possible without a third party product is now only possible using a third party product. rolleyes.gif

Maybe I'm being a little harsh since Automatic Duck has been improving on the export functions for some time now, but the fact was you could export audio on previous versions for sweetening. Even if it was just to Soundtrack Pro.
post #93 of 142
Interesting take:
http://lonelysandwich.com/post/7033868135/fcp-the-new-class

And a funny one:
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thewozniak The Fake Wozniak
FCP X is a professional software choice if you're editing bday parties and cat videos for YouTube

Edited by Sam Posten - 6/30/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov View Post

If editors aren't worried about their job security, they should be. I stand by my original assertion that part of the anger stems from FCP X lowering the entry barrier into Pro editing.

I guarantee you it has nothing to do with this. Many people out there in Post Production are not really at the "Pro" level in the true sense of the word. They may very well want to be there and are working to be there. And in the next many years a handful will join the ranks. But the true Pros use features and have requirements that are there for a reason. EDLs are antiquated yes. But that is how departments share edit changes with one another. It works. Everyone knows how to do it. And no studio is going to risk some unproven, untested new fangled way of doing things on their multi-million dollar movie or TV show just because Apple says it should be done differently from now on.

I read on one forum where some Apple fan guy was saying that using Tape was "so 1990's and that 'real editors' should get current and stop using it." Well...know why it is used? Because someone high up at the company insuring the film or TV show using it has determined that TAPE is the best format for archiving, transferring data, reliability over time, etc...If they want to insure their multi-million dollar project (which they have to do)...they will use these proven formats. They will use tape in these cases. Sure everything is on hard drives and edited for the ease of use...but it has to back up to tape...or archive to tape. I still get contracts for my film scores which want me to deliver the music stems on digital DAT tapes or DA-88 tapes believe it or not. Even though it is all done digitally on an HD...they still want some form of tape in the end.

So...FCP X can't interface with these systems. Combined with the fact that FCP7 is end of life'd and no additional support or seats can be purchased on it.

Result: FCP X won't be used by the Pro's on their projects. At least not until it can do those things.

It has nothing to do with Apple declaring there is a better way. The facilities who invested hundreds of thousands (if not millions)...in facilities built around FCP...well...they see an uncertain future. They can't do business like that. They will not get the work contract if a studio gets nervous because they want to use their new FCP X program that will not interface with other programs and other facilities used day in and day out in Post-Production...like Telecine, Thomson Spirit, DaVinci...Pro Tools, etc...etc...

So they will all probably just go to the industry proven editing standard Avid Media Composer at $2500+ a license because in the long run... knowing it will work and be supported in the industry, it will save them money over time. Avid is much better at handling tens of thousands of objects anyway. Which many HUGE productions have.

This uncertainty is why they are mad. Has nothing to do with worrying about lowering any entry barrier. Editor is a union job. Do you know how hard it is to break into it at that truly "Pro" level? Pretty much you have to apprentice to a big name editor and when he dies...you may get his previous clients. It takes a lifetime of known credits to get on the "studio approved list." And studios do not invest in unproven entities...not software and certainly not people. Too much money is on the line. No one is worried that some kid on FCP X will take their job. That thought is laughable.
post #97 of 142
Brian, I trust your judgement implicitly, I think you have experience here that none of us could ever hope to match. Nobody denies that Apple handled this VERY VERY poorly and it is causing confusion that affects real professionals livelihoods.

But...

Just step back a second and compare the the -kind- of comments that you are making to the kinds of comments that came prior to the iPhone. That came prior to the iPad. Focus on the past and even the current is something that blinds to the possibilities of the future. I think Avid and Adobe are smart to capitalize on the anger thats out there and I think Apple deserves all of it for cutting real pros off from buying new seats of FCP7 today. That is really really dumb. I've called for Apple to make FCP7 free as in beer, and while I dont think that will happen it would go a looooong way to helping people whose jobs rely on 7 ride out the birthing hitches to FCPx. But I wonder how many of those pros who are abandoning Apple today are going to be kicking themselves for dropping $2500 a seat on Avid less than a year down the road. How much money will be spent retraining of Premiere (which lets be fair was NOT a pro level app prior to CS5, just 18 months ago!) only to want to shift back to FCPX when it does things that Premiere and Avid don't even have on their roadmaps today?
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I see the arguments Sam...but "the biz" doesn't really care about what it will be tomorrow...they care about what it is today. If FCPX ever adds the features Pros need for their established and proven workflows...they will come back. If it does not...they will stay elsewhere with their tools.

Right now...for many pro editors...being excited for FCPX is like being excited for Sharp's Quattron "4 color technology" HD TVs.

I mean...it has Red, Green, Blue AND YELLOW. So it's better right? LOL! smiley_wink.gif
post #100 of 142
It remains very interesting watching the fallout.
http://www.fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/475-my-life-in-fcp
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I swear professionals in my field are so freaking touchy. God forbid something gets released and it's not everything it has been or should be....

FCP7 still works people and it will for at least the next generation of OSX. What's the big deal people?!? Talk about people getting their panties in a wad. rolleyes.gif
post #102 of 142
Well for one they can't buy more seats of it if they wanted to...
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So, is Apple really giving up on Pros?
http://arstechnica.com/apple/guides/2011/07/does-apple-still-care-about-creative-pros.ars

Don't be silly, no way. But pros who remain on OSX will always have to remember their wants and needs are secondary to everything Apple is trying to accomplish.
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Just read this over at Creative Cow's forums:

However, Apple has announced that they will continue providing licenses to clients who have purchased volume licenses in the past. This will allow places that rent out systems to continue to provide FCP 7 systems for those shows that want FCP.

Doesn't help people just now wanting to by FCP, but its better than nothing.
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Jonah Hill (Not really) presents "How did we get here" for an hour in a fishbowl.
http://nofilmschool.com/2011/08/final-cut-pro-x-and-going-entertaining/

Better than I make it sound actually...
post #111 of 142
I've been doing the Ripple Training lessons on FCPX, and I gotta say, I'm really impressed so far with what FCPX can now do.

One thing I've thought as I've been going through them; if I were to just dive into FCPX, without really doing any formal training or walkthrough, it would take me forever to find out how to do anything. I'd be stuck trying to find things the way I used to do it in legacy versions of FCP, and by the time I found out how to do what I wanted to do, I'd have flown to Apple and gone on a 3 day killing spree.

However, going step-by-step in the lessons really demonstrates how well thought out FCPX really is, and how amazing it will be to use. I can't wait for them to update with a few key elements (export/import of XML, EDL, and OMF to name a few) because this app will be a lot of fun to use.
Edited by DellaStMedia - 8/17/11 at 11:58am
post #112 of 142
Agreed completely, and for such a 'simplified' product there is such a depth of features, and new skills to learn. Color grading is made much easier but still something that requires real talent and experience. Great tutorials on that here:
http://vimeo.com/user6379404/videos

http://finalcutwhiz.com/tutorials/fcpx-color-grading-intro/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
post #113 of 142
More detailed vids on color correction. It's such a different process than how LR handles it, fascinating...
http://finalcutwhiz.com/tutorials/fcpx-color-grading-correction/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
post #114 of 142
Those tutorials look interesting. Thanks for pointing them out. I'll be diving into FCP X sometime in the next couple of weeks, but I'll still be using and teaching FCP 7 in the meantime.
post #115 of 142
Quite welcome, I'm reading all I can get my hands on, I don't have a project in mind right now but when I'm read I want to be set to go.
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This should address about 90% of the complaints EXCEPT opening old files:
http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/09/20/apple-releases-major-update-to-final-cut-pro-x-release-demo-version/

As I said, that's a feature not a bug. :0)

Demo version too
http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/09/roles-superior-to-tracks/
http://www.macworld.com/article/162394/2011/09/apple_fine_cut_final_cut_pro_x.html#lsrc.twt_macworld

Release notes
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4589

Download page:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/

In a rare occurrence for Apple, they commit to Multi-Cam and broadcast quality previews coming in early 2012. Neither of which is a deal breaker for most single user shops, I'd say.

WRT being able to import FCP7 projects, understand that the idea here is you -should- be able to export those as XML and now import them into FCPX now, but it remains to be seen how well that works. If it's golden then that 90% goes even higher.
Edited by Sam Posten - 9/20/11 at 11:34am
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Larry gives a cautious thumbs up:

http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/
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