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post #91 of 112
4/3/08 at 6:22am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

Travis,

Another member posted this info but I don't remember it at the moment. It may take some time to do a search in the threads since there's more than 1 Futigive thread here. I'd bet "Kimble's suitcase" that one of the Fuge Fanatics will reply here fast. I remember, I think, that the opening "train" scene is from a later 30's or maybe a 40's movie.

"Sidebar" note: I saw the "Search in a Windy City" episode last weekend. WOW!!!! I thought I'd seen some earlier shows from the S1V1 set that couldn't be topped. This one's unbelievably good! Gary, we'll talk soon. I'll be watching that one again with Mom in 2-3 weeks.

I've said it before, but many thanks to you (Gary) for getting me plugged into this series. Thanks to all of the gang here as well for this series-viewing on DVD. "VP", for your outstanding reviews, Bob H, Mike KS, Hank, Tina, all...... This viewing journey in this series can't be priced. Off the scale
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post #92 of 112
4/3/08 at 7:10am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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"Sidebar" note: I saw the "Search in a Windy City" episode last weekend. WOW!!!! I thought I'd seen some earlier shows from the S1V1 set that couldn't be topped. This one's unbelievably good!

A tour-de-force it was, Jeff, I enjoyed it immensely. I really enjoyed Pat Hingle's performance in that episode. The first 10/10 rating for me in this second volume, with only "Garden House" falling below an 8 of the episodes I've viewed thus far. (Watched "Bloodline" last weekend, finally getting the wife to view it with me).

The train wreck footage is indeed from a 30s era film, foreign at that (French film), if memory serves me correct. I believe the details are in the other "Fugitive" thread.
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post #93 of 112
4/6/08 at 3:47pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

Not sure if this was mentioned, but did anyone notice video problems in Come Watch Me Die? During Act IV, you can see a line of lighter images moving down the screen, like from an old video tape.
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post #94 of 112
4/6/08 at 4:27pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
Not sure if this was mentioned, but did anyone notice video problems in Come Watch Me Die? During Act IV, you can see a line of lighter images moving down the screen, like from an old video tape.

I see a series of scrolling thick lines, slightly lighter than the main image. It scrolls from top to bottom slowly like a slowly rolling image, or some kind of timing artifact. I'm not sure of the technical terminlogy.

It's very slight, and barely noticeable if you're not looking for it.

The easiest place to see it is during the conversation with the farmer's wife and the episode's protagonist. Watch the blank wall.

Harry
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post #95 of 112
4/7/08 at 5:07am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Harry-N
The easiest place to see it is during the conversation with the farmer's wife and the episode's protagonist. Watch the blank wall.

Harry,

That's it exactly. Not a big deal, and not as noticable as this problem was with videotapes, but it is there nonetheless.
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post #96 of 112
6/9/08 at 4:59am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

A little late, but always welcome is Paul Mavis' review of season 1, volume 2 over at DVD Talk . . . .

DVD Talk Review: The Fugitive - Season One, Volume Two

Mr. Mavis will also be reviewing season 2, volume 1.
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post #97 of 112
6/9/08 at 10:02pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

Mavis on season 2, vol. 1.
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post #98 of 112
6/9/08 at 11:10pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

Is it just me or do other people not find it dumbfounding that anyone who calls themself a TV fan could have never seen this show. I mean, it's definitely the best drama in TV history and maybe the best show period. That would be like someone being a movie buff and then saying they never saw Citizen Kane or Gone With The Wind. I just don't see how it's possible.
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post #99 of 112
6/10/08 at 1:03am
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Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Is it just me or do other people not find it dumbfounding that anyone who calls themself a TV fan could have never seen this show.

I don't think it's overly surprising or shocking to find a young TV fan who has never seen David Janssen's THE FUGITIVE before.

The DVDs just started coming out in late 2007, and AFAIK the series hasn't been aired on any cable-TV network since about 1995 (that's when I taped approx. 75 Fuge episodes onto VHS when A&E was airing a mini-marathon each weekend that summer).

So how could people unfamiliar with the series (younger people, that is) have ever been exposed to it before the initial S.1 2007 DVD release? (Unless, as mentioned, they managed to catch the show on A&E in the '90s, or unless they collected the NuVentures or Republic VHS tapes?)

That's what makes DVD so great.....it makes available so much stuff that had heretofore never seen the light of day on any home-video format.

Who would have dreamed, just a few years ago, that they would be able to collect every episode (uncut--well, for the most part) of a particular long-running series on a home-video format for a relatively-small amount of cash?

I certainly wouldn't have predicted that would be happening.
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post #100 of 112
6/10/08 at 4:54am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn
Is it just me or do other people not find it dumbfounding that anyone who calls themself a TV fan could have never seen this show. I mean, it's definitely the best drama in TV history and maybe the best show period. That would be like someone being a movie buff and then saying they never saw Citizen Kane or Gone With The Wind. I just don't see how it's possible.

I remember being pretty surprised a few years ago when I checked out the show's listing on TVShowsonDVD and found that it was not in the top 10 most requested shows. But I guess it comes down to the show not playing as much in syndication as some of its contemporaries, and the fact that the more adult nature of the show meant that kids weren't going to discover it the way they did Gilligan's Island, I Dream of Jeannie, etc.

It is, often, a brutal show. If you get invested in the situations and the characters, it can be a challenging tour through the dark side of America. Easily one of the best dramas ever on TV. Sadly, that kind of quality - and those kind of challenges for the viewer - aren't rewarded with mass popularity.
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post #101 of 112
6/10/08 at 7:13am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
I remember being pretty surprised a few years ago when I checked out the show's listing on TVShowsonDVD and found that it was not in the top 10 most requested shows. But I guess it comes down to the show not playing as much in syndication as some of its contemporaries, and the fact that the more adult nature of the show meant that kids weren't going to discover it the way they did Gilligan's Island, I Dream of Jeannie, etc.

I remember reading or learning that, ironically, what killed the initial syndication potential for The Fugitive was the fact that they actually ended the show - they caught the real killer. Closure is great in real life, novels and non-fiction, but it was thought to be poison for TV series syndication; especially in a show built around suspense, pursuit, and an unresolved mystery. Why tune in when everyone knows the outcome? I think things have changed now, but I remember several series specifically avoiding any resolutions for just this purpose. Or getting panned when they did (Twin Peaks, anyone?)

At least we have a new suspense mystery for The Fugitive ... What happened to the music?
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post #102 of 112
6/10/08 at 8:04am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by David Von Pein
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I don't think it's overly surprising or shocking to find a young TV fan who has never seen David Janssen's THE FUGITIVE before.

The DVDs just started coming out in late 2007, and AFAIK the series hasn't been aired on any cable-TV network since about 1995 (that's when I taped approx. 75 Fuge episodes onto VHS when A&E was airing a mini-marathon each weekend that summer).

So how could people unfamiliar with the series (younger people, that is) have ever been exposed to it before the initial S.1 2007 DVD release? (Unless, as mentioned, they managed to catch the show on A&E in the '90s, or unless they collected the NuVentures or Republic VHS tapes?)

That's what makes DVD so great.....it makes available so much stuff that had heretofore never seen the light of day on any home-video format.

Who would have dreamed, just a few years ago, that they would be able to collect every episode (uncut--well, for the most part) of a particular long-running series on a home-video format for a relatively-small amount of cash?

I certainly wouldn't have predicted that would be happening.

The same way I discovered shows that aired before my time that weren't heavily syndicated. It's called INITIATIVE and PERSEVERENCE. That's what made the TV collecting hobby fun. That you had to put in an effort to find shows and actively pursue them. I'm aware that 98% of the people who are on this forum haven't the slightest clue about this but the FUN of the TV collecting hobby was as much the pursuit as it was the acquisition. Yeah, getting a complete season of a series in perfect quality on DVD is quite convenient. But all it takes is sitting on your butt at the computer screen and hitting a button that says order. Not very challenging, is it? Getting a contact to record a show for you that's running on station in the country takes a bit more, don't you think? I have friends that I've made all over the world through tape-trading. Will anyone be able to say they'll get that from buying DVDs at Crapmart?
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post #103 of 112
6/10/08 at 8:16am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by David Von Prien
...they managed to catch the show on A&E in the '90s...
That's the only chance that I ever had to see the show.

Not everyone wants the 'challenge' of hunting down a show. Not everyone has contacts with the self proclaimed super collectors who have thousands of shows on tape, DVD or kinescope. And given the continuous and disgusting level of arrogance that I've seen from that type of collector, I never want to have contact with one.
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post #104 of 112
6/10/08 at 6:42pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

...given the continuous and disgusting level of arrogance that I've seen from that type of collector, I never want to have contact with one.

The exception to your statement, to which I agree, is when a series is cut short, like Have Gun Will Travel.
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post #105 of 112
6/10/08 at 11:01pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Not everyone wants the 'challenge' of hunting down a show. Not everyone has contacts with the self proclaimed super collectors who have thousands of shows on tape, DVD or kinescope. And given the continuous and disgusting level of arrogance that I've seen from that type of collector, I never want to have contact with one.


Sorry that you don't want the "challenge". You'll never understand the fun of collecting. I wouldn't trade all the fun I had in the hobby for a DVD set of every series ever made. And, don't worry, I don't think you ever have to be concerned with ever having any "super collector" have any dealings with you. But just out of curiosity, what kind of "collector" do you consider yourself, since you don't like the challenge of collecting?
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post #106 of 112
6/11/08 at 11:36am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn
Sorry that you don't want the "challenge". You'll never understand the fun of collecting. I wouldn't trade all the fun I had in the hobby for a DVD set of every series ever made. And, don't worry, I don't think you ever have to be concerned with ever having any "super collector" have any dealings with you. But just out of curiosity, what kind of "collector" do you consider yourself, since you don't like the challenge of collecting?
I never said that I don't want the challenge. I said "Not everyone wants the challenge". I've been taping the shows that I want for nearly 20 years but I have no interest in categorizing myself so I'll let you decide what kind of collector I am.

As for super collectors not wanting to deal with me, I'll get over it. And if they all have the personality of the Comic Book Guy, I'm better off anyway.
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post #107 of 112
6/11/08 at 5:41pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn
The same way I discovered shows that aired before my time that weren't heavily syndicated. It's called INITIATIVE and PERSEVERENCE. That's what made the TV collecting hobby fun. That you had to put in an effort to find shows and actively pursue them. I'm aware that 98% of the people who are on this forum haven't the slightest clue about this but the FUN of the TV collecting hobby was as much the pursuit as it was the acquisition. Yeah, getting a complete season of a series in perfect quality on DVD is quite convenient. But all it takes is sitting on your butt at the computer screen and hitting a button that says order. Not very challenging, is it? Getting a contact to record a show for you that's running on station in the country takes a bit more, don't you think? I have friends that I've made all over the world through tape-trading. Will anyone be able to say they'll get that from buying DVDs at Crapmart?

I hear you Hank - The FUN of The pursuit was always the best part of trying to find the shows,making friends in the trading circut -I got into it 'late' (1986) but boy was it lots of fun -
in the pre-INTERNET days when you needed to run a classified ad in movie and film collector publications or meet fellow collectors at collectables shows to find people. I was far from being the super-collector Hank is,but it still was (and is) a great hobby!

It's almost like trying to explain to younger comic book collectors about the pre-"comic shop" days when you could get comics at the Newstand, "mom-and-pop" store, The Local Independantly owned Drug Store or Soda-Fountain or 7-11.
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post #108 of 112
6/11/08 at 5:54pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

Another analogy would be like with collecting baseball cards. It is easier to go to a dealer or convention and buy a complete set that's been put together. However it's more fun to put it together bit by bit and IMO opinion nothing matches the feel of finally getting that last card. While DVD has provided a great deal in terms of accessability and quality it has also taken a great deal away. But just like CDs are not the be-all and end-all with music, DVDs are not all there is for television.
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post #109 of 112
6/11/08 at 6:22pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

mis·an·thro·py
(mĭs-ăn'thrə-pē, mĭz-)
n.

Hatred or mistrust of humankind.
mis'an·throp'ic (mĭs'ən-thrŏp'ĭk) adj.
mis'an·thrope' (mĭs'ən-thrōp', mĭz'-) or mis·an'thro·pist n.



SEE ALSO: cynicism, pessimism, distrust, disdain, sardonicism, reclusiveness
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post #110 of 112
6/11/08 at 10:47pm

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Originally Posted by Professor Echo
mis·an·thro·py
(mĭs-ăn'thrə-pē, mĭz-)
n.

Hatred or mistrust of humankind.
mis'an·throp'ic (mĭs'ən-thrŏp'ĭk) adj.
mis'an·thrope' (mĭs'ən-thrōp', mĭz'-) or mis·an'thro·pist n.



SEE ALSO: cynicism, pessimism, distrust, disdain, sardonicism, reclusiveness


I resemble that remark!
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post #111 of 112
6/12/08 at 12:08am

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn
....While DVD has provided a great deal in terms of accessability and quality it has also taken a great deal away. ...

Yeh,taking away a great deal of original music and "original as broadcast unedited" versions
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post #112 of 112
6/12/08 at 12:09pm

Re: "The Fugitive: Season 1, Volume 2" -- A Personal Review

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Originally Posted by Hank Dearborn
I resemble that remark!
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