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post #121 of 157
5/10/08 at 1:16pm
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No word about Blue Ray release ,or the Novel for Television scenes,
I much rather have them in I+2 then part 3
I was
hoping for some super Blue Ray set like The Blade Runner set,But this is
Viacom ,and they will milk every cent from us,First another set of the
three Films,then a year latter the Blue ray,then after another year a deluxe
set on dvd and so on,I guess it could be worst,this new set could be Pal only
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post #122 of 157
6/13/08 at 6:30am

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Related article:
A digital offer 'The Godfather' can't refuse | Tech news blog - CNET News.com
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post #123 of 157
6/16/08 at 12:53pm

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FYI, The Bits just rumored today that the remastered Trilogy will likely be released around Sept this year(!) -- and expect an official announcement some time soon.

Hope this turns out good.

_Man_
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post #124 of 157
6/17/08 at 6:12am

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
FYI, The Bits just rumored today that the remastered Trilogy will likely be released around Sept this year(!) -- and expect an official announcement some time soon.
The Bits Rumor Mill is now saying September 23. Woo!
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post #125 of 157
6/17/08 at 7:08am

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Hm, that should be just about the time the Sony 550 comes out....
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post #126 of 157
6/17/08 at 12:06pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Neski
No word about Blue Ray release ,or the Novel for Television scenes,
I much rather have them in I+2 then part 3
I was
hoping for some super Blue Ray set like The Blade Runner set,But this is
Viacom ,and they will milk every cent from us,First another set of the
three Films,then a year latter the Blue ray,then after another year a deluxe
set on dvd and so on,I guess it could be worst,this new set could be Pal only

I've read that Coppola wasn't particularly thrilled with the "Novel for Television" version, so I think its unlikely that that version will ever see the light of day on home video.

Doug
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post #127 of 157
6/17/08 at 3:03pm
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"Novel for Television" was just that,I am talking about a new version
of the films with the cut scenes incerted like the Epic video release
but more complete,Most ofThe extra scenes are Great!and are good enough
to be put back in the film(s) I am not sure of Coppolas feeling about
any of these scenes,The only thing I can guess is he dosn't like the scene
with the undertaker and his wife in their apartment,which he cut out
of the epic,and trilogy
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post #128 of 157
6/17/08 at 10:58pm

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My understanding from what I read, and this was quite some time ago, he did the novel for television version as a favor to Paramount, and as kind of an experiment. He never really liked the results and would prefer that the films been seen only in the theatrical cut. I believe the theatrical cuts are what was restored.

Doug
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post #129 of 157
6/18/08 at 8:53am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
My understanding from what I read, and this was quite some time ago, he did the novel for television version as a favor to Paramount, and as kind of an experiment. He never really liked the results and would prefer that the films been seen only in the theatrical cut. I believe the theatrical cuts are what was restored.
I never knew Coppola wasn't keen on the novel version. I assumed since he re-edited the novel version after the 3rd film that he was OK with it. Do you think this was part of his contract for Godfather III?
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post #130 of 157
6/18/08 at 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Jeff Adkins
I assumed since he re-edited the novel version after the 3rd film that he was OK with it.
If I remember correctly, the Novel version was shown in the late 1970's.
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post #131 of 157
6/18/08 at 11:46am

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Travis is correct. The Novel for Television, which is the first two movies cut together into one long movie in chronological order, was done in 1977.

Apparently Coppola did it as a way to raise money to finish Apocalypse Now.

Doug
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post #132 of 157
6/18/08 at 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Travis is correct. The Novel for Television, which is the first two movies cut together into one long movie in chronological order, was done in 1977.

Apparently Coppola did it as a way to raise money to finish Apocalypse Now.

Doug
OK. I misunderstood. I was thinking of "The Godfather Trilogy" that was released in 1992 which has all 3 films in chronological order. Did Coppola do the editing on this one?

The Godfather Trilogy 1901-1980
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post #133 of 157
6/18/08 at 1:09pm
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"I read, and this was quite some time ago, he did the novel for television version as a favor to Paramount, and as kind of an experiment. He never really liked the results and would prefer that the films been seen only in the theatrical cut. I believe the theatrical cuts are what was restored"

While you could be right, that could be true for many reasons that don't
have to do with a "New Version",Such as Commercials or cut for tv

The thing I don't get,is why people want to watch these scenes as
a group of cut scenes on a bonus dvd,unremastered and full screen.

The Novel for TV is a different way to watch the first two films
"The Triolgy" isn't cut for TV, "The Novel "has people
walking out of rooms (stuff you can understand why they cut ,with
time limits)
I would like all versions,but if it comes down to losing the flashbacks
in Godfather part 2,or loosing all the cut scenes from both films,I
take the cut scenes
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post #134 of 157
6/18/08 at 2:54pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Adkins
OK. I misunderstood. I was thinking of "The Godfather Trilogy" that was released in 1992 which has all 3 films in chronological order. Did Coppola do the editing on this one?

The Godfather Trilogy 1901-1980

I'm fairly sure the Godfather Trilogy was just the Novel For Television with the Godfather Part 3 tagged on the end as I don't believe there are any flash back scenes in that film.

Doug
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post #135 of 157
6/18/08 at 2:55pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Neski
"I read, and this was quite some time ago, he did the novel for television version as a favor to Paramount, and as kind of an experiment. He never really liked the results and would prefer that the films been seen only in the theatrical cut. I believe the theatrical cuts are what was restored"

While you could be right, that could be true for many reasons that don't
have to do with a "New Version",Such as Commercials or cut for tv

The thing I don't get,is why people want to watch these scenes as
a group of cut scenes on a bonus dvd,unremastered and full screen.

The Novel for TV is a different way to watch the first two films
"The Triolgy" isn't cut for TV, "The Novel "has people
walking out of rooms (stuff you can understand why they cut ,with
time limits)
I would like all versions,but if it comes down to losing the flashbacks
in Godfather part 2,or loosing all the cut scenes from both films,I
take the cut scenes


From what I gathered from the interview, he preferred the Godfather Part 2 playing out flashing back and forth between the early 1900s and the 1950s. He felt that some of the points of comparison between Michael and his Father were lost in the chronological version, and that those flash backs were designed to play next to the 50s scenes

I really don't think of the cut scenes as anything but extraneous. Interesting but not worth being in the actual films.

Doug
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post #136 of 157
6/18/08 at 3:21pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I'm fairly sure the Godfather Trilogy was just the Novel For Television with the Godfather Part 3 tagged on the end as I don't believe there are any flash back scenes in that film.

Doug

THE TRILOGY, which I still have on LaserDisc, retains one flashback- when Robert DeNiro's Vito goes to Sicily and exacts revenge. Everything else is shown chronologically.

Vincent
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post #137 of 157
6/18/08 at 3:24pm

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
THE TRILOGY, which I still have on LaserDisc, retains one flashback- when Robert DeNiro's Vito goes to Sicily and exacts revenge. Everything else is shown chronologically.

Vincent

So the trilogy has ONE flashback and the rest of the movie is in order? Strange.

Honestly I though putting the scenes in chronological order really caused the film to drag. For me they play much better in the flashback style.

Doug
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post #138 of 157
6/18/08 at 3:53pm
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"I really don't think of the cut scenes as anything but extraneous"

I don't agree,I think they are great ,the Hospital scene is Great,so is
the gunsmith scene in the second film,those are great,More scenes with Sonny!!
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post #139 of 157
6/18/08 at 9:27pm

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This site is your friend

THE GODFATHER TRILOGY - The Web Site You Can't Refuse

He has in-depth analysis/comparison of what is in the original films vs. The Saga and The Trilogy.
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post #140 of 157
6/19/08 at 10:35am

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I'm hoping when the new release does arrive, it's with different art than what R2 has gotten. The Godfather films are classy, despite originating from a relatively trashy novel. The European cover art looks like it's being sold to the Scarface '83 generation. But then again, Paramount did release a video game, so maybe that's who they're selling these to these days.

And I'd also love to see the chronological/extended saga version released as well. Hell, even if Coppola doesn't care much for it, now's the perfect time to release it. Aside from the restoration and a couple of new extras, it'll help set this apart from the old release. The saga edit has been airing regularly on cable tv for the past decade or so. And with Blu-ray, they can probably stuff the whole thing in SD on one disc, if they don't care enough to restore it.
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post #141 of 157
6/19/08 at 11:07am

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I'd also love to see the Saga/Trilogy format as well.

What doesn't give me much hope is the amount of restoration needed by the original film.

RAH [in any of those articles] doesn't give any indication that more film was restored than was in the theatrical cuts. Indeed it seems to have been such an arduous task to even find all of the original films' elements, I highly doubt they went to the trouble of finding and restoring all of the film elements possible, including those found in the Saga/Trilogy cuts. I'd love to be wrong, but I don't hold out much hope of that.

So it would be nearly impossible to give a Saga/Trilogy cut unless they went back to the original video masters of those LDs/VHS versions, which would look very sub-par in comparison to the restored originals (especially on Blu Ray). The Saga/Trilogy would have to be all from the masters used for VHS/LD or it would be jarringly intercut with restored footage (which IMO would be nearly unacceptable).
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post #142 of 157
6/19/08 at 2:37pm

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Quote:
I'm hoping when the new release does arrive, it's with different art than what R2 has gotten. The Godfather films are classy, despite originating from a relatively trashy novel. The European cover art looks like it's being sold to the Scarface '83 generation. But then again, Paramount did release a video game, so maybe that's who they're selling these to these days.
The new R2 version I ordered from Amazon/UK arrived yesterday. I do not agree that it looks like a video game or like solely aimed at the '83 generation.

Left (or on top) is the new version, in a metal box. It's rather classy, actually.


Cees


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post #143 of 157
6/19/08 at 3:19pm

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I like the new cover art too. It's not like it has a picture of a gun-toting Pacino or anything like that.
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post #144 of 157
6/19/08 at 4:45pm

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Cees,

How do these look in comparison to the previous DVD transfers? I've seen a few screenshot comparisons but I'd like to hear some "real world" experiences with them. Also, what is your playback for display and DVD? Thanks.
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post #145 of 157
6/19/08 at 7:51pm

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That's a very elegant-looking package.
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post #146 of 157
6/20/08 at 3:32am

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Dave,

I haven't even opened it yet.
As it happened, I received so many packages these last days (including two Fox Western Sets ), that I haven't been able yet to see them all.

I'll tell you after the weekend, which will be used to view this favourite(s) of mine, and I also will try to compare several scenes with the previous DVD version!


Cees
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post #147 of 157
6/20/08 at 5:08am

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This site has the Godfather listed under September 23! (scroll further down)
Damn, I can't link yet. But it's listed alright.
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post #148 of 157
6/20/08 at 5:15am

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Yes, quite true. Did you see the trailer they made for this new DVD release that's up at Amazon (UK)? It's like a trailer for Street Kings or something. It gives the wrong idea to younger viewers (which I think is a ruse to get them to buy it).
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post #149 of 157
6/20/08 at 6:50am

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Originally Posted by Thivanka R. Perera
It gives the wrong idea to younger viewers (which I think is a ruse to get them to buy it).
If kids think that The Godfather is like Scarface, they deserve to get duped.
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post #150 of 157
6/23/08 at 5:04am

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There's some chatter going on indicating these will be announced for BD release during EMA this week.

As with all rumors, take it with a grain of salt.
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