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I will be getting my first HDTV next week. I have been a direct tv customer for several years with no real problem. However, since I need to upgrade to the HD service I though I would check around. What I have found it for what I want in programing they are comparable cost. However, one difference appears that Direct TV broadcasts more channels in HD. For instance FX is listed in both packages but only shows up as HD for Direct. Seems odd, maybe I missed something. On the other hand Dish advertises their DVR can provide programing to two tvs so that you can watch different programing at the same time. I can not see where the Direct TV HD DVR receiver makes the same claim. Can anyone address that issue. I suspected this would be a good topic as many people want to understand the differences or similarities between the two providers. Their web sites leave alot to be desired in terms of straight forward disclosure. When I called to ask questions about Dish I really got the high pressure sales, which I did not appreciate when I was first trying to fully understand what was included. I amlooking foward to some great input.
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I've had DirecTV HD for almost 2 years and am quite happy with it. We're just getting the basic $10/mo package as it has History HD, NGC HD and most of the others we are interested in.

We have the earlier model H20 DirecTV HD box.
post #3 of 47

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Defiantly Directv. I would suggest getting the HD/DVR combo as well. They are also starting a on-demand service and have over 100 HD channels.

Happy viewing.
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Hydrojohn is cross-posting in multiple threads. I answered the same question here.

-Robert
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Dish Network seems to still be trying to catch up as far as HD ... Dish Network has less fees for DVRs and extra receivers but Direct TV has more channels now and a lot more on the way!
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I've been a DirecTV subscriber since 1999 (SD only). I am probably going to be moving across the country (from CA to FL) this summer and I am starting to research my options.

Cox cable looks too expensive, though I'll have to check out their bundles (I'll have to use them for broadband access). I would like to move up to HD programming, but my wife and I don't watch all that much live TV (we watch mostly DVDs; hope to upgrade to Blu-ray come holiday season).

As far as I can tell, if I want to upgrade to DirecTV HD I have to add it on to my existing package, which will put me in the $60/month range. For the amount of time we spend watching live TV, that is pretty expensive.

It appears that Dish is offering an HD-only package for about $30. I am seriously considering this. Is anyone familiar with this lineup? Considering how bad SD looks on a large screen TV, I don't think I'll miss the SD channels (though I'll have to add the local channels for $5 to get the networks and they're all SD where we'll be moving).

Any thoughts on this Dish all-HD lineup? For $30 it looks like a great deal.
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Dish suffered a set back a couple of weeks ago when the satellite they launched specifically for HD failed. DirecTV just launched with much better luck to add to their HD channels.

Have you considered hard wired options of are you pretty much determined to do satellite? Google HiDef Lite/HD Lite and read some results to help you choose.
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According to a guy at circuit city, which I'm not saying I fully trust, cable can only go as high as 720p but satellite can do 1080i. Is he right?

I have directv and am happy with it.
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Originally Posted by allprolab
According to a guy at circuit city, which I'm not saying I fully trust, cable can only go as high as 720p but satellite can do 1080i. Is he right?

I have directv and am happy with it.
The guy from CC is wrong (I am not surprised). Both satellite and cable can do 720p and 1080i. They could do 1080p if they wanted but that would require new receivers and use up more of their limited bandwidth.

-Robert
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Have you considered hard wired options of are you pretty much determined to do satellite? Google HiDef Lite/HD Lite and read some results to help you choose.
When you say hard wired, can I assume you mean cable? If so, I'm considering it, but the local cable where I'm moving is expensive. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that I'm tired of paying too much money for too little in return (considering how little live TV we watch). Even if the quality of DISH HD isn't that great, it's got to be better than the DirecTV SD I've been getting and at $29.99/month, it seems like a good deal.

If I move (which is probably a 90% probability), it'll probably be no earlier than June or July. Right now, I'm just doing the research, so any and all advice is welcome.
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Originally Posted by Robert_J
The guy from CC is wrong (I am not surprised). Both satellite and cable can do 720p and 1080i. They could do 1080p if they wanted but that would require new receivers and use up more of their limited bandwidth.

-Robert

I had a feeling he didn't know what he was talking about. I think he was just trying to make me feel better about buying my tv for some reason.

I live in the middle of nowhere so it's not like I have the cable option.
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any feelings about comparing dishes two room single receiver setup vs direct tv's 1 turner per tv? it sure is cheaper to set up a dish account with 1 hd tv and 1 sd.
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Originally Posted by DarrenHo
direct tv's 1 turner per tv?
Where did that come from? I have a total of 6 tuners (2 in a standard def DirecTivo, 2 in a HD DirecTivo and 2 in an HD DVR) shared between the only 2 TV's in my house. Dish limits you to a max of 4 tuners per account. I don't agree with those policies.

-Robert
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I've had Direct TV four years now, but the new HD has been a disaster. The package we had was changed without notifying us, and when I called to complain I was offered the channels taken away for three months before the increase; I refused. I've had them out twice to realign the dish/transceiver but still get pixellation on channels that used to come in clean with the old box but it didn't support local channels nor the new HD stations. Forced to switch to the H20 DVR which does not work well at all for us. Can't trust HD recording,many times we simply get a black screen. If you're watching HD channels many times all I see is the "searching for signal" message. My wife wanted to bail out months ago but I held on and now look like a fool. I can't justify them any longer
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I have Dish and I'm very happy with the HD service in particular the HD-DVR equipment which came free with my start up package. I think with DirecTV you have to pay $200 for the HD-DVR(?) and I think their HD-DVR is in short supply(?) Clearly, research needs to be done before subscribing to either service.
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The DirecTV HD DVR was in short supply last year, but I don't believe that is still the case.

The DirecTV website shows that the HD DVR costs $199, but if I were moving I would threaten to switch to Dish and my guess is that they will provide the HD DVR for free. DirecTV also has a "Mover's Advantage" program whereby all you have to do is take your current DirecTV receiver(s) with you and they will install a new dish and hook everything up at the new location for free.

Regarding the HD programming on DirecTV -- they offer several packages. The "premier" package used to include HDNET Movies and Universal HD. Then they added MGM HD, but after a while they decided to add another tier ($4.99/month) called "HD Extra Pack" and they moved HDNET Movies, Universal HD and MGM HD into the "Extra Pack." Also included in the Extra Pack are Music HD and Smithsonian HD.

I have had DirecTV HD since January, 2007 and I have experienced very few problems with it. My impression is that the HD channels are bit more susceptible to "rain fade" than the SD channels. The DirecTV receiver is not as user-friendly as Tivo, but it suffices. And contrary to what some have said, you can record on one channel while watching another channel, and you can record two channels simultaneously. Is it perfect? No. There is occasional pixelization, and occasional lip synch problems (I have found that lip synch problems can usually be corrected by changing channels and them coming back to the channel I was watching).
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During a recent blizzard my directv dish was pretty covered in ice and snow and my HD service was working perfectly.
post #18 of 47

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During a recent blizzard my directv dish was pretty covered in ice and snow and my HD service was working perfectly.
It's not the snow or rain on the dish that stops the signal, it's the water in the atmosphere that does it. The new D* satellites broadcast on the Ka band while the old D* satellites use the Ku band (or vice versa). The frequency band used by the new satellites is more succeptable to rain fade. It's physics and nothing can be done about it.

-Robert
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[quote=Richard Gallagher]

Regarding the HD programming on DirecTV -- they offer several packages. The "premier" package used to include HDNET Movies and Universal HD. Then they added MGM HD, but after a while they decided to add another tier ($4.99/month) called "HD Extra Pack" and they moved HDNET Movies, Universal HD and MGM HD into the "Extra Pack." Also included in the Extra Pack are Music HD and Smithsonian HD.

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Any word on future pricing/packaging changes now that the second sattelite has launched?

We were in Costco last night and they have a different DirectTV model HD DVR, black face but forget the model number for $179.
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Originally Posted by Robert_J
Where did that come from? I have a total of 6 tuners (2 in a standard def DirecTivo, 2 in a HD DirecTivo and 2 in an HD DVR) shared between the only 2 TV's in my house. Dish limits you to a max of 4 tuners per account. I don't agree with those policies.

-Robert
perhaps i should have said direct tv's minimum of 1 tuner per tv while dish uses 1 turner for 2 tvs. at least that's the picture i'm getting from dish's website.
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Any word on future pricing/packaging changes now that the second sattelite has launched?
DirecTV does not leak the information. Right now there are no increases planned but that could change at any moment.

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Originally Posted by Barry_B_B
We were in Costco last night and they have a different DirectTV model HD DVR, black face but forget the model number for $179.
The only DirecTV DVR being manufactured right now is the HR21. I've seen it at Best Buy for $99. If Costco has the older HR20 for $179, where was it? There are a lot of people looking for that model. Both have the same satellite functionality but the HR20 has dual ATSC tuners. To get OTA capability with the HR21, you need to purchase an additional, USB box to plug into the DVR.

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Originally Posted by DarrenHo
perhaps i should have said direct tv's minimum of 1 tuner per tv while dish uses 1 turner for 2 tvs. at least that's the picture i'm getting from dish's website.
Dish uses 1 receiver with dual tuners to connect to two TVs. DirecTV does not have a dual tuner receiver with dual independent outputs. But there is no "minimum" with D* though. I have D* receivers shared between TV's without any issues. Both TV's show the same show but for my household, that is not an issue.

-Robert
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the reason i'm asking is dish has an hd dvr receiver for 2 tvs for free while direct tv want $200 for an hd dvr and an sd dvr. just trying to understand if there is some reason i shouldn't go with the cheaper choice. monthly programming is about the same.
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Originally Posted by DarrenHo
the reason i'm asking is dish has an hd dvr receiver for 2 tvs for free while direct tv want $200 for an hd dvr and an sd dvr. just trying to understand if there is some reason i shouldn't go with the cheaper choice. monthly programming is about the same.
The Dish receiver has only one OTA tuner. That is a deal breaker for me. Not only do I record a lot of network programming, I sometimes use the OTA tuners on both of my HD DVRs. That's 4 OTA programs at one time.

HD is just now entering the mainstream so it is still expensive to start. When I made the jump 5 years ago, I paid $3,200 for a 55" TV and $500 for a DirecTV HD receiver (not a DVR). My HD DirecTivo was $800 when I purchased it. I see the $199 DVR prices and think how lucky you guys are. But I wouldn't trade places though since I have been enjoying HD programming for years.

-Robert
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I currently subscribe to DISH and I am happy with the service. I started out with DirecTV in 1995, switched to DISH to get a Starband discount, back to DirecTV due to an attractive DVR upgrade package and finally DISH again to get local channels.

I made the move to HD last year, and being a DISH customer, I assumed that I could get a lucrative deal from DirecTV. Not so. I can't remember the exact dollars and cents, but moving to DirecTV would have cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $200. This might not be valid now, but it was at the time. I upgraded with DISH and have had zero problems.

Based on my experience with both of these providers, I can't say that I favor one over the other. Granted DirecTV is much larger, has deeper pockets and may offer more HD channels. Regardless, I hardly feel deprived that I only have two receivers, one SD DVR and one HD DVR/SD dual-tuner, and am unable to capture five or six programs simultaneously. I usually make more recordings than I can keep up with.

If cost is a factor, my opinion is to compare the offerings on both and then go with the cheapest option that meets your content needs.

I also believe that the quality of the installation should not be overlooked. A slipshod installation can make the satellite provider look bad, while chronic problems are actually due to an incompetent or lackadaisical installer. A conscientious installer, who does thing right and spends a little time with instructions, goes a long way toward creating satisfied customers. If possible, get independent opinions on local installers and request a specific individual or firm. I have done that in reverse. Based on a previous bad experience, DISH agreed when I insisted that a specific individual would not be used for my installation.
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Originally Posted by Robert_J
DirecTV does not leak the information. Right now there are no increases planned but that could change at any moment.-Robert

Ok, thanks for the update. Watching SciFiHD last night, had to switch to switch to standard SciFi due to breakup. Standard channels are deterioating now as well.

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Originally Posted by Robert_J
The only DirecTV DVR being manufactured right now is the HR21. I've seen it at Best Buy for $99. If Costco has the older HR20 for $179, where was it? There are a lot of people looking for that model.

-Robert

This was Costco in Arundel Mills, MD
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This thread triggered a dumb question. I have a Sony Bravia KDL-40XBR2. It has 2 inputs, one for OTA (local channels, all digital, some HD, great picture). It also has a direct cable input so I do not require a STB, and I get all the analog channels (Comedy Central, etc.). I have a PC with Snapstream for TV guide, recording to my hard drive, etc. I would like to drop cable and switch to satellite.
Must I use a Satellite receiver, or is there any way (including a new board in my PC), that would allow me to not use a satellite receiver? The main reason (other than complexity and yet another remote) is that I would like to get the satellite guide integrated with the OTA guide in snapstream for recording, etc. like it is now with cable I don't think I can do that if I must have the satellite guide provided through the receiver. TIA Bill Roberts
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is FIOS an option for you? it beats cable for quality, and the internet connection rocks...
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Originally Posted by BillRob
Must I use a Satellite receiver, or is there any way (including a new board in my PC), that would allow me to not use a satellite receiver? The main reason (other than complexity and yet another remote) is that I would like to get the satellite guide integrated with the OTA guide in snapstream for recording, etc. like it is now with cable I don't think I can do that if I must have the satellite guide provided through the receiver. TIA Bill Roberts
Both Dish and DirecTV has rumored, announced and even shown PC cards with satellite tuners. None have ever made it to production.

The additional remote is an easy fix. Put them all away and replace them with a Harmony remote. I like the 880 myself.

Why do you use your PC? Archiving shows or do you use it like a regular DVR? You could get a satellite based DVR which has a great integrated OTA/satellite guide and still use your PC for archival purposes. I recently saw a Haupauge adapter that will conver component HD video to USB for recording purposes.

-Robert
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Originally Posted by Robert_J
It's not the snow or rain on the dish that stops the signal, it's the water in the atmosphere that does it. The new D* satellites broadcast on the Ka band while the old D* satellites use the Ku band (or vice versa). The frequency band used by the new satellites is more succeptable to rain fade. It's physics and nothing can be done about it.

-Robert


Thanks again Robert. I just read through the thread again,this makes perfect sense now. HD channels are now almost impossible to watch without breakup on my system. Comcast will be installed this Saturday.
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I would suggest getting the HD/DVR combo as well.
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