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post #91 of 117

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
At blu.com, he's posted the good along with the bad month after month, and he's always been right and has never posted false information. His inside info is new to HTF so it's best to just sit back and listen and see how his information plays out with time rather than treat his contributions as one-sided.




Maxpower is not a P.R. person. You clearly are not familiar with him or his track record. It's not Bill Hunt's opinion of Maxpower that should be drawn into question, but yours. Doug, if you give it some time, I think you'll find that Maxpower's comments prove themselves to be true. Trust me, of all the posters here, he's the one who least deserves to have his comments read with a skeptical point of view.


David,

You're right I have no idea who Maxpower is. His reputation on AVS nor the opinion of Bill Hunt are not entirely convincing.

Maxpower has stated on this forum that he represents blu-ray in some way or other and is here to set the record straight about blu-ray. Regardless of his job title, for the purposes of this forum he is acting as P.R. representative.

I have given him the benefit of the doubt that he is who he said he is in spite of the some what condescending tone of his first posts here. However that doesn't mean that I'm willing to take every word from him as gospel.

As I said he has an agenda to make blu-ray look as good as possible. And again I don't fault him for that, it's his job and I respect that. But there are at least two sides to every story. Maxpower is only telling one side.

Doug
post #92 of 117

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I have to agree with Douglas. 'Maxpower' may or may not be an accurate industry source, but the fact that he is being championed and defended here by Bill Hunt and David Boulet doesn't give me the impression that he is anything like an impartial source of information. To be blunt, if anything, the direction his support is coming from does more to damage his credibility in my eyes than anything else.

Not that it really matter I suppose. Two years on, the general credibility of those on both sides who were once regarded as reliable sources of information has plummeted quite dramatically. So much so that I don't personally believe the information presented in this thread is of any value whatsoever other than as unverified speculation; it's just too tainted. Vouching for the credibility of others is of no value if you have no credibility yourself or your biases have become so embedded you fail to see them yourself.

Adam
post #93 of 117

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I'm not sure I would go that far. Not to argue the format war again, but frankly HD DVD delivered on everything it said it would do, almost from day one, upgrading to 5.1 true HD not withstanding. Blu-ray has yet to deliver everything that it is SUPPOSED to be able to do 2 years down the road.

This isn't anything against Sony. (I am NOT a Sony hater) They were forced to release a product that wasn't ready yet because Toshiba's was ready. I understand that Sony felt they couldn't wait or they would lose before the war got started. But that doesn't change the fact that 2 years later the product still isn't ready.

Doug

HD DVD delivered a fully spec'd player, that is for sure. What they didn't deliver was a player that was stable, nor players that had consistant QC. I own the A1, XA-2 and the A35. Not one of these players stretching over three generation has come to me with flawless operation. So if someone were to ask me what I prefer, a player with incomplete specs, but can make it through a movie flawlessly, or a fully spec player that does not, guess what I am going to choose?

Both sides released players prematurely, so lets not try to put lipstick on a HD DVD pig and call it a fashion model.
post #94 of 117

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
David,

You're right I have no idea who Maxpower is. His reputation on AVS nor the opinion of Bill Hunt are not entirely convincing.

Maxpower has stated on this forum that he represents blu-ray in some way or other and is here to set the record straight about blu-ray. Regardless of his job title, for the purposes of this forum he is acting as P.R. representative.

I have given him the benefit of the doubt that he is who he said he is in spite of the some what condescending tone of his first posts here. However that doesn't mean that I'm willing to take every word from him as gospel.

As I said he has an agenda to make blu-ray look as good as possible. And again I don't fault him for that, it's his job and I respect that. But there are at least two sides to every story. Maxpower is only telling one side.

Doug

Doug, even if it is his duty to shed a positive light on bluray, the man has NEVER been wrong. Not one time. When he states something, my experience has been he ends up being 100% correct. So I would rather have somebody with an agenda who's information happens to be correct and accurate, rather than somebody who states that they are impartial, but are also hit and miss.
post #95 of 117

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Originally Posted by Terrence B
HD DVD delivered a fully spec'd player, that is for sure. What they didn't deliver was a player that was stable, nor players that had consistant QC. I own the A1, XA-2 and the A35. Not one of these players stretching over three generation has come to me with flawless operation. So if someone were to ask me what I prefer, a player with incomplete specs, but can make it through a movie flawlessly, or a fully spec player that does not, guess what I am going to choose?

Both sides released players prematurely, so lets not try to put lipstick on a HD DVD pig and call it a fashion model.

My experience with the Toshiba players is a little different from yours. I own an A1 and an A30. Other than an occasional hand shake problem, which I think has more to do with my HDTV than the player because it happens with my blu-ray player too, I've never had a problem with either of them.

Doug
post #96 of 117

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Originally Posted by Terrence B
Doug, even if it is his duty to shed a positive light on bluray, the man has NEVER been wrong. Not one time. When he states something, my experience has been he ends up being 100% correct. So I would rather have somebody with an agenda who's information happens to be correct and accurate, rather than somebody who states that they are impartial, but are also hit and miss.


Well as I said I have no experience with Maxpower because I don't goto AVS. I only know what I have seen here. I'm not saying that having an agenda is a bad thing, quite the contrary. But his information is only part of a larger story. I take his information for what its worth along with many other sources.

Doug
post #97 of 117

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I have to agree with Douglas. 'Maxpower' may or may not be an accurate industry source, but the fact that he is being championed and defended here by Bill Hunt and David Boulet doesn't give me the impression that he is anything like an impartial source of information. To be blunt, if anything, the direction his support is coming from does more to damage his credibility in my eyes than anything else.

There's a certain irony in suggesting that Bill's endorsement damages Maxpower's credibility given that Bill Hunt has been one of most accurate predictors of HDM events over the past year... though I'm certain that the fact that Bill has been honest about his preference for a strong single format is viewed as "agenda" by many.

I'll leave my own association in your comments for others to regard in whatever way that they may.

-dave
post #98 of 117

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Originally Posted by Robert George
I have yet to see anything that proves my "sources" wrong, other than the opinions a few fanbois that prefer the ostrich approach, and you who by his own admission has an agenda to see Blu-ray succeed.

The reason I was asked to join was to refute your assertion that the Indiana Jones trilogy was going to be released on HD DVD. So, err, I would say that was wrong. The fact that you said it after Paramount had already made the decision to drop HD DVD makes it that much worse.

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BDA sources have consistently misrepresented, obfuscated, if not outright lied, about BD50 yields for over two years. But now they're telling the truth.

Who lied? Amir (definitely)? Dave Vaugh (misrepresentation of the truth)? Me?(!) I haven't seen anyone lie about BD50 yields from this side of the fence, so if you could show me an example I will take it up with them personally.

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One of my favorite movie quotes, "don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"

Except that it stopped raining in January, if you can't come to terms with the death of HD DVD, then please don't piss in our pool.

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But, you are correct in that everyone has an agenda. The difference between you and me is that your agenda is corporate driven and my agenda is to get a format that delivers what it promises at a price I consider fair.

My agenda is anything but corporate, and I have given people my fair share of bad news, I was there in the aftermath of Paramount's short-sighted August decision telling it how it was and we would have a long-wait and we wouldn't get Transformers on Blu-ray. I have given my fair share of good news too, especially the WB news, I think most of Blu-ray.com knew about WB going Blu-ray before a lot of people in the industry. My agenda is much the same as yours, I want to see the best format possible, Blu-ray has always had more potential to deliver that. Luckily my personal agenda is aligned with my 'corporate' agenda. I would be on the forums regardless of whether I do what I do.
post #99 of 117

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
David,

You're right I have no idea who Maxpower is. His reputation on AVS nor the opinion of Bill Hunt are not entirely convincing.

Maxpower has stated on this forum that he represents blu-ray in some way or other and is here to set the record straight about blu-ray. Regardless of his job title, for the purposes of this forum he is acting as P.R. representative.

Ahhh, yes there it is, "set the record straight" key word straight. I'm here because I don't like to see the truth being misrepresented, and if I can help then I will.

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I have given him the benefit of the doubt that he is who he said he is in spite of the some what condescending tone of his first posts here. However that doesn't mean that I'm willing to take every word from him as gospel.

My initial posts were worded in the way they were because HTF is supposed to be more intelligent than places like AVS which is completely overrun by idiotic fanboys, but in coming here I found the same thing from people who claim to be 'enlightened'.

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As I said he has an agenda to make blu-ray look as good as possible. And again I don't fault him for that, it's his job and I respect that. But there are at least two sides to every story. Maxpower is only telling one side.

Doug

As far as this goes, trust me I have got into quite a bit of trouble with the higher-ups for publicly criticising Fox's policies on pricing, releases of MGM titles and their own catalogue, I even got into trouble for taking WB to task for recycling video encodes and not having PCM as standard on Blu-ray. But as someone who is in the position to try and get change, I do my best to convey the bad parts as well as the good. Generally I try to be as objective as possible, if you let feelings cloud your judgement in my line of work it could end up costing a lot of money...
post #100 of 117

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Ahhh, yes there it is, "set the record straight" key word straight. I'm here because I don't like to see the truth being misrepresented, and if I can help then I will.


My initial posts were worded in the way they were because HTF is supposed to be more intelligent than places like AVS which is completely overrun by idiotic fanboys, but in coming here I found the same thing from people who claim to be 'enlightened'.


As far as this goes, trust me I have got into quite a bit of trouble with the higher-ups for publicly criticising Fox's policies on pricing, releases of MGM titles and their own catalogue, I even got into trouble for taking WB to task for recycling video encodes and not having PCM as standard on Blu-ray. But as someone who is in the position to try and get change, I do my best to convey the bad parts as well as the good. Generally I try to be as objective as possible, if you let feelings cloud your judgement in my line of work it could end up costing a lot of money...


Well excellent, I'm glad you said these things. As I said before I respect your position, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you or to view your statements with a bit of skepticism. Of course I do that with just about everyone's posts so don't think it's just you.

By the way welcome to HTF.

Doug
post #101 of 117

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
They've had 2 years now and they don't even have a finished spec player out yet.

Look I'm not doom and gloom at all about blu-ray. I happen to like the format. But there is clearly much room for improvement and I'm not sure that it's quite the rosy picture that Maxpower paints at the replication plants. I'm sure its improving all the time but I'm not buying that they are able to accommodate all the studios needs just yet.

Doug

Hmm, I think I am the first Blu-ray insider to ever specifically address the issue of yields publicly with specific numbers and information (which I got special clearance for last time the issue came up) and I always try my best to tell the truth whether it is good or bad news. While I probably don't have the 100% record that some people are talking about, I would like to think I'm close to that figure.
post #102 of 117

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There's a certain irony in suggesting that Bill's endorsement damages Maxpower's credibility given that Bill Hunt has been one of most accurate predictors of HDM events over the past year...

There's no irony there at all. Everyone is accurate if you're willing to cherrypick their predictions. It becomes less flattering when you don't.

Adam
post #103 of 117

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As I said before I respect your position, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you or to view your statements with a bit of skepticism. Of course I do that with just about everyone's posts so don't think it's just you.

I can vouch for that!


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There's no irony there at all. Everyone is accurate if you're willing to cherrypick their predictions. It becomes less flattering when you don't.

Agreed. Of course, being right about Blu-ray winning in early 2008 and being right about MS's real motivation in perpetuating the war to bypass HDM altogether in favor of downloading are two pretty darn big cherries.

post #104 of 117

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Frankly, I'm having a difficult time believing much of anything being said in this thread. Like many, the only thing I want is to have as many of my favorite films on Blu-ray as possible and at prices that makes this format a mass market success. All the rest of this going back and forth crap is nothing, but noise to me and I'm sick of reading this same BS day after day. Right now, I have more concern about the state of our economy than whether we have enough capacity on the BD 50 production lines. Raising prices means less spending for most of us which translates to less dollars for HT-related products. Furthermore, the onus is on the industry to help this format become mass market, but outside influences can derail that effort or at least slow it down.





Crawdaddy
post #105 of 117

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
There's a certain irony in suggesting that Bill's endorsement damages Maxpower's credibility given that Bill Hunt has been one of most accurate predictors of HDM events over the past year... though I'm certain that the fact that Bill has been honest about his preference for a strong single format is viewed as "agenda" by many.

I'll leave my own association in your comments for others to regard in whatever way that they may.

-dave

What I see going on is a lot of Monday morning armchair quarterbacking, in many cases by those who have limited contacts with the industry. The bottom line is that outcome of this format war wasn't hard to predict by anyone who had sufficient and regular contact with a wide enough sampling of industry professionals to form a complete picture. That so many people got it wrong I think reflects a lack of industry connection, and also the degree of success of those who were paid to spread FUD and disinformation during the last two years.

The sad fact is, track records don't count for much online these days. Anyone who speaks loudly enough and often enough can (and does) call themselves an expert. Plenty of people here and at AVS and elsewhere have accused me personally of being paid to shill for Blu-ray, of only believing what the BDA wanted me to believe, of only getting one side of things, etc. All completely baseless and untrue. I have hundreds of long-time contacts at every level of the industry, on both sides of the format conflict and at many service companies in the industry that were neutral and in-between. I spend significant time every single weekday talking to them, via e-mail, phone and often in person, one-on-one. Many are trusted friends I've known for years. Conversely, all too many other so-called experts were basing their opinions and predictions on woefully incomplete information from a handful of insiders, in many cases seeing or being given only a very small portion of the complete picture of what was really going on in this conflict. Sadly, there was a lot of deliberate feeding of misinformation as well, on both sides, and all too many people simply didn't or weren't equipped to see through it. That's why it pays off in such times to have a long history with - and the trust of - a large pool of impartial insiders, who can fact-check and balance out the agendas of those who are paid to promote, sell and obfuscate for just one side.

I'll tell you something I know for a fact: There are a lot of industry professionals who used to visit, read and participate in online discussion forums like this one, who no longer do. And the reasons why are fairly apparent. It's simply not worth the aggrivation, especially when people continue to believe what they want to believe, and hurl all kinds of accusations and insinuations. I've seen industry professionals make completely factual statements about events and subjects in which they are directly involved, be told in various forums (by folks who often have no involvement in the industry whatsoever, mind you) that they're a--holes, idiots and shills who clearly don't know what they're talking about. To call this sad state of affairs silly is an insult to actual silliness.
post #106 of 117

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Frankly, I'm having a difficult time believing much of anything being said in this thread. Like many, the only thing I want is to have as many of my favorite films on Blu-ray as possible and at prices that makes this format a mass market success. All the rest of this going back and forth crap is nothing, but noise to me and I'm sick of reading this same BS day after day. Right now, I have more concern about the state of our economy than whether we have enough capacity on the BD 50 production lines. Raising prices means less spending for most of us which translates to less dollars for HT-related products. Furthermore, the onus is on the industry to help this format become mass market, but outside influences can derail that effort or at least slow it down.


Crawdaddy

Now THAT was well said, Crawdaddy.
post #107 of 117

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Originally Posted by Bill Hunt
What I see going on is a lot of Monday morning armchair quarterbacking, in many cases by those who have limited contacts with the industry. The bottom line is that outcome of this format war wasn't hard to predict by anyone who had sufficient and regular contact with a wide enough sampling of industry professionals to form a complete picture. That so many people got it wrong I think reflects a lack of industry connection, and also the degree of success of those who were paid to spread FUD and disinformation during the last two years.

The sad fact is, track records don't count for much online these days. Anyone who speaks loudly enough and often enough can (and does) call themselves an expert. Plenty of people here and at AVS and elsewhere have accused me personally of being paid to shill for Blu-ray, of only believing what the BDA wanted me to believe, of only getting one side of things, etc. All completely baseless and untrue. I have hundreds of long-time contacts at every level of the industry, on both sides of the format conflict and at many service companies in the industry that were neutral and in-between. I spend significant time every single weekday talking to them, via e-mail, phone and often in person, one-on-one. Many are trusted friends I've known for years. Conversely, all too many other so-called experts were basing their opinions and predictions on woefully incomplete information from a handful of insiders, in many cases seeing or being given only a very small portion of the complete picture of what was really going on in this conflict. Sadly, there was a lot of deliberate feeding of misinformation as well, on both sides, and all too many people simply didn't or weren't equipped to see through it. That's why it pays off in such times to have a long history with - and the trust of - a large pool of impartial insiders, who can fact-check and balance out the agendas of those who are paid to promote, sell and obfuscate for just one side.

I'll tell you something I know for a fact: There are a lot of industry professionals who used to visit, read and participate in online discussion forums like this one, who no longer do. And the reasons why are fairly apparent. It's simply not worth the aggrivation, especially when people simply continue to believe what they want to believe, and hurl all kinds of accusations and insinuations. I've seen industry professionals make completely factual statements about events and subjects in which they are directly involved, be told in various forums (by folks who often have no direct involvement in the industry whatsoever, mind you) that they're a--holes, idiots and shills who clearly don't know what they're talking about. To call this sad state of affair silly is an insult to actual silliness.
It's really quite sad what has happened to the internet HT community over the last two years. I've seen allies become enemies and I don't quite understand why it had to come to that. Maybe my lack of understanding is because I never got emotionally caught up into which format should win this damn war, but it goes without saying, that a lot of damage was done due to this war and I have to wonder if it can ever be repaired. Your point about industry people lack of participation is dead on and I have stated so more than a few times on this board. I think part of the problem with internet forums is the lack of personal contact. Some people feel they can say anything with their keyboard because they don't come face to face with the other party. What they don't realize is that they damage not only their own credibility, but the reputation of the site they belong to.






Crawdaddy
post #108 of 117

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
It's really quite sad what has happened to the internet HT community over the last two years. I've seen allies become enemies and I don't quite understand why it had to come to that. Maybe my lack of understanding is because I never got emotionally caught up into which format should win this damn war, but it goes without saying, that a lot of damage was done due to this war and I have to wonder if it can ever be repaired. Your point about industry people lack of participation is dead on and I have stated so more than a few times on this board. I think part of the problem with internet forums is the lack of personal contact. Some people feel they can say anything with their keyboard because they don't come face to face with the other party. What they don't realize is that they damage not only their own credibility, but the reputation of the site they belong to.

Crawdaddy

I frankly don't quite understand it either. I do think you're right... a lot of good people got way too emotionally involved in this thing, so much so that anyone offering a differing opinion, no matter how logical or supported by evidence, was immediately attacked as biased and dismissed. For god's sake, this format war is OVER and it's STILL happening! And the damage to the online HT community is, sadly, very serious. I'm not sure it will ever be what it once was. The online community used to be a clearing house for offering support, feedback and experience, both to the studios and also to fellow enthusiasts. Now, I can tell you that much of the industry has simply stopped listening. Certainly, they aren't taking the discussion forums seriously anymore. There are a few exceptions of good studio people who still have the patience to shift through the back-biting and who understand the value of speaking directly to enthusiasts, but most just aren't even bothering anymore. And I can't imagine what it must be like to come to such places as an enthusiast newcomer, and get attacked for simply having an opinion or trying to contribute. The whole situation is discouraging, to say the least.
post #109 of 117

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Except that it stopped raining in January, if you can't come to terms with the death of HD DVD, then please don't piss in our pool.

You are such an arrogant ass that I have a hard time typing this. Your selective memory and twisting of the truth stinks of corporate deceit.

What makes you think I have such a hard time accepting HD DVD is not longer a viable product? I have ALWAYS felt HD DVD was a long shot to even co-exist, much less win over Blu-ray. There was ALWAYS too much corporate money and paranoia on the Blu-ray side to ever allow a more consumer-friendly format like HD DVD to survive. I have been around long enough to know how it works. That does not mean that I was willing to sit on my hands and swallow the sort of bullshit and spin people like you and Bill have been so eager to shovel these past two years. Like I said, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. I know the difference.

lastly, this is not YOUR pool, it is OUR pool and now that YOUR corporate cronies have bought their way to a monopoly, we all have to swim in it. How about you learn a little humility and stop trying to make people believe Blu-ray is everything it was promised to be, and frankly, never will be in a practical sense.

Oh yeah, one more thing. if you were asked to post here to dispute something I said, take this as an invitation to leave. You have properly put me in my place.
post #110 of 117

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I think part of the problem with internet forums is the lack of personal contact. Some people feel they can say anything with their keyboard because they don't come face to face with the other party. What they don't realize is that they damage not only their own credibility, but the reputation of the site they belong to.

I have to agree Crawdaddy that this is a big problem with the internet today. And I beleive some news outlets have even brought it up that this is a growing problem. And it is just not happening with forums like ours but even with emails as well. Because some people find it easy to be rude and insulting because they do not have to face that person. And there is a level of amumity that give them the idea that they can say anything they want. And the sad part for our comunity here is that when insiders come to share what they know they are sometime insulted and harassed. I guess I am not surprised that is why many of the insiders do not seem to be eager to post here anymore.

While there are some here that did not like what Bill Hunt had to say. He has been very acurate and I for one appreciate the honesty and the fact that he stuck to his personal beliefs. I have also run into Maxpower at AVS and have no reason to doubt his word. My hope is that this forum can return to what it was before the format war. Where insiders are welcome and not chased away just because a small percentage might not like the message.

I would just like to say thank you to Bill Hunt and Maxpower for contributing to our forum.

And if someone here feels that I am a Blu-ray fanboy here is my personal HD collection. It lacks the most recent purchases but I feel it shows that I am neutral and that I have been supporting both formats for a while.

post #111 of 117

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Originally Posted by Robert George
You are such an arrogant ass that I have a hard time typing this. Your selective memory and twisting of the truth stinks of corporate deceit.

What makes you think I have such a hard time accepting HD DVD is not longer a viable product? I have ALWAYS felt HD DVD was a long shot to even co-exist, much less win over Blu-ray. There was ALWAYS too much corporate money and paranoia on the Blu-ray side to ever allow a more consumer-friendly format like HD DVD to survive. I have been around long enough to know how it works. That does not mean that I was willing to sit on my hands and swallow the sort of bullshit and spin people like you and Bill have been so eager to shovel these past two years. Like I said, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. I know the difference.

lastly, this is not YOUR pool, it is OUR pool and now that YOUR corporate cronies have bought their way to a monopoly, we all have to swim in it. How about you learn a little humility and stop trying to make people believe Blu-ray is everything it was promised to be, and frankly, never will be in a practical sense.

Oh yeah, one more thing. if you were asked to post here to dispute something I said, take this as an invitation to leave. You have properly put me in my place.

Robert, whether your comments were directly meant for me or not, you have certainly had no problem dragging me into this mess. You may have disagreed with my opinions in the format war, but I'd like to point out that my motivations have been completely genuine and I, and The Bits staff as a whole, have NEVER been anything less than 100% supportive and friendly toward HTF and its members. I don't expect that to change in the wake of this thread either, though I'm certainly not likely to visit again anytime soon. But I would appreciate it if you'd stop taking shots at me. You're entitled to your opinion, but enough is enough.

This has just gotten WAY out of hand. WAY out of hand.
post #112 of 117

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Originally Posted by Robert George
You are such an arrogant ass that I have a hard time typing this. Your selective memory and twisting of the truth stinks of corporate deceit.

What selective memory, I think it was me banging on to Fox about their ridiculous prices for catalogues, me telling WB that Blu-ray shouldn't be treated like an unwanted child. What did you contribute to either format?

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What makes you think I have such a hard time accepting HD DVD is not longer a viable product? I have ALWAYS felt HD DVD was a long shot to even co-exist, much less win over Blu-ray. There was ALWAYS too much corporate money and paranoia on the Blu-ray side to ever allow a more consumer-friendly format like HD DVD to survive. I have been around long enough to know how it works. That does not mean that I was willing to sit on my hands and swallow the sort of bullshit and spin people like you and Bill have been so eager to shovel these past two years. Like I said, don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. I know the difference.

What corporate money, sure I work for a financial company, but we are involved because we are bloody good analysts and get the job done, our task was to win the war, and well, I would say the results have been pretty good. I haven't had to resort to spin, not that I can - my memory is pretty poor and I forget stuff to easily, because there has never been any need to. I publicly criticised the BDA's lackadaisical attitude towards player profiles on a number of occasions, I criticised the idiots at Sharp who thought raising prices to $649 for a 2.0 playe was a good idea, and guess what, that player will launch at a much lower price. The fact that you think that HD DVD was the more consumer friendly format shows you know absolutely **** all about the situation. Let's say HD DVD won, and a few years down the road Universal release a title and the only way you can watch it is to have your player connected to the internet so they can force adverts on you while watching it, see that could happen on HD DVD. On Blu-ray, oh, that's right, ethernet will never be mandatory, if you don't want to connect to the internet, you don't have to. What else, oh, HD DVD only ever had one manufacturer who were pretty much losing money on players for the life of the format, so those lovely low prices that you keep so close to your heart were artificial...

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lastly, this is not YOUR pool, it is OUR pool and now that YOUR corporate cronies have bought their way to a monopoly, we all have to swim in it. How about you learn a little humility and stop trying to make people believe Blu-ray is everything it was promised to be, and frankly, never will be in a practical sense.

Where the **** did I say MY pool, I'm pretty sure I said our pool, meaning HT enthusiasts and others who are interested in Blu-ray. So learn to ******* read before shooting your ******* mouth off. You are telling me to learn humility, everything I have done for Blu-ray personally has remained in the background, I answer questions when asked. Yet you come on here looking for attention telling the HD DVD faithful that Indy is coming soone or whatever other nonsense. That's the one.

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Oh yeah, one more thing. if you were asked to post here to dispute something I said, take this as an invitation to leave. You have properly put me in my place.

No, I think it's time that you retired Obi...

Edit: I'll probably get a time out from the legal men for that rant, but boy was it worth it...

Edit 2: Expletives removed
post #113 of 117

Re: Universal Preparing Titles for Blu-ray

Time to move on, I guess.

This thread stopped being about Universal preparing titles for Blu-ray. And it's no longer even discussing the possible reasons for the current (seemingly) delay of that.

It's mostly about what light any possible cause would shed on the banner of the Blu-ray format - and a lot about egos. I don't think I've never seen so much personal promotion in one thread.

The thread is now closed to the members.

One poster stated that he was invited here to refute a few statements. I sincerely hope that's not true, because I would hope people post here because they're interested in the forum and in topics at hand.
Whoever felt invited to specially come here to argue someone else's posts, should know that whoever invites him to do so isn't doing the forum a great service.



Cees
post #114 of 117

Re: Universal Preparing Titles for Blu-ray

This thread is no longer serving the purpose of discussing Universal's BD plans, but only showing that apparently Toshiba ceasing production of HD DVD wasn't really the end to the format war.

I have no problem with people disagreeing with the content of members posts, but some members have started with personal attacks that are not appropriate and it needs to stop immediately. It only validates what Robert and Bill said as to why more industry professionals and studio representatives no longer participate on forums like this.

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take this as an invitation to leave.
Everyone who has something to contribute to the discussion is more than welcome to participate here and anyone who is wants to respectfully disagree in a manner that doesn't make it personal is welcome to do so. I have two your old twins at home and I am learning the art of using the "timeout". I don't want to have to start using it here....

Remember when it used to be about the movies?
post #115 of 117

Re: Universal Preparing Titles for Blu-ray

Cees beats me to it...again Cees: 429 Adam: 0
post #116 of 117

Re: Universal Preparing Titles for Blu-ray

I step away to watch some NCAA tournament games and all hell breaks out. Very disappointing!






Crawdaddy
post #117 of 117

Re: Universal Preparing Titles for Blu-ray

I'm sure the NCAA was more home entertainment fun.
But indeed, "disappointing" is the word.


In addition to closing this thread, one member's account has been suspended, a few other names were taken down. This thread is NOT a shining example of how we like discussions to proceed on our forum.


Cees
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