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post #301 of 314
2/27/08 at 6:06pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
I don't think so. If anything it seems like plenty of shots might be slightly off center, including ones shown in the Beaver comparison, even when it looks like they should *not* be.

And I've already noted some panning and scanning going on between a few scenes I bothered to check (because they were called to attention by others for something other than suspected panning and scanning).

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...ml#post3324046

And as I stated in the review thread wrt the new Criterion blog response, I just don't buy it that TLE was originally composed for 2:1 as Storaro claimed unless someone can provide better, more conclusive evidence to support that claim. I would've been more inclined to accept his claim if it looks like the entire movie has been center cropped (w/out any notably bad effects), but the evidence (and his potential motive/agenda) just don't add up...

_Man_
If it is pan and scanned as you suggest, then I think that makes Storaro's claim that it was intended to be 2:1 even more dubious. Cinematographers have too much work to do on a film, there is no time to consider how to pan and scan the frame.
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post #302 of 314
3/24/08 at 8:20pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

"My recollections of Jackson's comments on this (from the EE commentaries? not sure) is that the theatrical cuts were what he thought worked best for general audiences who may or may not be familiar with the books, while the EEs were his "gift" for hard-core fans of the books. So he considers them both "director's cuts."

I'm pretty sure Jackson referred to the theatrical cuts as "better film making."
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post #303 of 314
3/28/08 at 5:24am

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

I´m quite late into this thread, but did I get this right: "Criterion"-version is now in 2.00:1 (basically cropped) vs the OAR 2.35:1?

Storaro did the same with "Apocalypse Now - The Complete Dossier" (from original 2.35:1 to 2.00:1). Someone should really stop the guy, dammit. I want the OAR 2.35:1, you don´t just "change your mind" suddenly and re-frame the Oscar-winning ("Best Cinematography") film..

I have huge respect of Storaro as an artist, but he has lost the ball with these DVD-releases..
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post #304 of 314
3/28/08 at 5:51am

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

Sad to say, you are correct, Jari.
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post #305 of 314
12/18/08 at 7:50pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

Well, Gary Tooze @ DVDBeaver.com has added screen caps from Criterion's Blu-ray of TLE at his site.

The framing looks identical to the Criterion SD release of a few months ago.

The screencaps looks stunning. If only...
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post #306 of 314
12/18/08 at 8:36pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Well, Gary Tooze @ DVDBeaver.com has added screen caps from Criterion's Blu-ray of TLE at his site.

The framing looks identical to the Criterion SD release of a few months ago.

The screencaps looks stunning. If only...

Yes, the Blu-ray review copy came today, and the aspect ratio is identical to the SD-DVD. I won't actually get to watch the entire set until Saturday, but naturally I was curious if anything had changed. Sadly, it hasn't.
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post #307 of 314
12/18/08 at 10:04pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

GET

OVER

IT!

Thank you.
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post #308 of 314
12/18/08 at 10:35pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

Nice, Joel.

Sorry to have bothered you.
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post #309 of 314
12/20/08 at 7:50pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

Joel, I got over it just fine. And as a result it's a no sale for me on BD and one less BD copy sold for Criterion. Two many other OAR BD titles to buy and not enough money to go around. IMHO Storaro obviously doesn't understand the capabilites of BD and has apparently never heard of CIH projection.

Vern
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post #310 of 314
12/20/08 at 10:33pm

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

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Originally Posted by Vern Dias
Joel, I got over it just fine. And as a result it's a no sale for me on BD and one less BD copy sold for Criterion. Two many other OAR BD titles to buy and not enough money to go around. IMHO Storaro obviously doesn't understand the capabilites of BD and has apparently never heard of CIH projection.

Vern
And doesn't realise that the aspect ratio of The Last Supper is 1.91:1, not 2:1 as he thinks it is.
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post #311 of 314
12/21/08 at 2:11am

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

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Originally Posted by Simon Howson
And doesn't realise that the aspect ratio of The Last Supper is 1.91:1, not 2:1 as he thinks it is.

Don't tell him!

Or he'll cut down his movies even more...
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post #312 of 314
12/21/08 at 2:28am

Re: Statement concerning THE LAST EMPEROR (Criterion Collection)

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Originally Posted by Fabian Kusch
Don't tell him!

Or he'll cut down his movies even more...
LOL! Good point!
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post #313 of 314
1/16/12 at 7:38am
i read somewhere bertoluci has said the original shorter release we all saw in theatres IS the directors cut. the one being marketed as the director's cut is actually a four hour long TV version which bertaluci agreed to do b4 production. he actually prefers the original theatrical releas and is "peplexed" about the so called director's cut calling the tv version basically the same...just more boring...lol.

i very much want to have a copy of the original as this version is the one the academy chose as best picture in 1987....but in HD and with it's original aspect ratio...anyone know where to get one....i find the descriptions displayed on amazon.con confusing and incomplte.
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post #314 of 314
1/16/12 at 8:04am
strange u feel that way...to me its like taking a famous painting like the mona lisa and changing her into a blond. the original version of this film IS the director's cut. the one now being marketed as the director's cut is actually a re-edited version which contains footage that was intended for a 4 hour long tv version. i find it disturbing that dvd distributers do this frequently. how has this happened to this film...when i saw the "director's cut" it felt like a completely different film...and bertaluci said that version is just more "boring"
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