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post #31 of 37
1/29/08 at 9:58am

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

Yes, That was a typo (now fixed).

I'll see if I can dig up some links. Most of these conversations are a year old, and some of them were via PM on AVS as well.

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My point is that just because you feel the fidelity issue is more important than the supps issue doesn't make the HD DVD studio fidelity criticism more objectively valid than BD studio supp criticism

Huh? It's not ok for an audiophile/videophile high-def collector to care first and foremost about transparent picture and sound?

I'm not trying to do a push-pull debate where one person suggests that sups are important and then someone else suggests that they aren't. Sure, sups are important, and all-thing-being-equal, they should be there. In fact, I've participated in several threads at blu-com where I've strongly criticized sony and fox for releasing BDs that lacked bonus material available on SD DVD versions. You've got my sup-material vote.

However, I will always and forever state that transparent AV quality is the first priority of HDM, and do not few the lack of sups to be on the same level with the lack of transparent AV.

Worst case you keep your SD DVD copy for the sups. But you can't keep your SD DVD copy to get lossless sound or transparent 1080p picture.
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post #32 of 37
1/29/08 at 11:13am

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

Huh? It's not ok for an audiophile/videophile high-def collector to care first and foremost about transparent picture and sound?

You're doing the straw man thing again, David. This comment is neither an accurate restatement of what I said, nor the point.

I'm not trying to do a push-pull debate where one person suggests that sups are important and then someone else suggests that they aren't.
You may not be trying, but it's precisely what you're doing to my eyes.

Sure, sups are important, and all-thing-being-equal, they should be there. In fact, I've participated in several threads at blu-com where I've strongly criticized sony and fox for releasing BDs that lacked bonus material available on SD DVD versions. You've got my sup-material vote.

However, I will always and forever state that transparent AV quality is the first priority of HDM, and do not few the lack of sups to be on the same level with the lack of transparent AV.

Worst case you keep your SD DVD copy for the sups. But you can't keep your SD DVD copy to get lossless sound or transparent 1080p picture.

My problem with this equivocation is that it gives quarter to what Fox is doing way too frequently. You can't trumpet BD50 the way you have and then give anything that even smells of a free pass to Fox on this issue. I'm so not interested in having to keep SD DVDs in order to retain ready access to SD DVD supps that have a good "repeat viewing quotient." As a collector, I think you ought to be making as much noise and be as equally critical on this issue as you are about lossless aud. It's an insulting, purposeful omission stunting HDM attach rates when the studios withhold supps they own the rights to. I doubt I am alone in Netflixing movie-only discs instead of buying.

See the The Rock BD review thread for more on my position in these regards, which I'll spare everyone from further recapitulating here.
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post #33 of 37
1/29/08 at 11:37am

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

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My problem with this equivocation is that it gives quarter to what Fox is doing way too frequently. You can't trumpet BD50 the way you have and then give anything that even smells of a free pass to Fox on this issue. I'm so not interested in having to keep SD DVDs in order to retain ready access to SD DVD supps that have a good "repeat viewing quotient." As a collector, I think you ought to be making as much noise and be as equally critical on this issue as you are about lossless aud. It's an insulting, purposeful omission stunting HDM attach rates when the studios withhold supps they own the rights to. I doubt I am alone in Netflixing movie-only discs instead of buying.

See the The Rock BD review thread for more on my position in these regards, which I'll spare everyone from further recapitulating here.

Agreed, though I don't see where in my comments you got that I would "give anything that even smells of a free pass to Fox on this issue."

I think our disagreement is actually a red-herring. The basis for my logic is this: on BD there's no serious competition in bandwidth between feature-quality and bonus features. That's one reason why I support the format: I like to have *both* high-quality AV and bonus material all together (even if AV quality is more important to me). No discussio, therefore, needs to be categorized in terms of give-take between these two issues. They are discrete and separate: having one does not mean having or not having the other.

Now, regardless of a studio's stance on high-quality AV, they might still be problematic with bonus material. Paramount was certainly like this with SD DVD, and Fox seems to be skimping on bonus material with BD.

Start up a thread bashing Fox for their lack of bonus features on their over-priced BD software and I'll jump right in. I'll go check out the Rock review thread now.
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post #34 of 37
1/29/08 at 6:38pm

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on

I'll add my voice to the noise here. I have bought exactly one Fox title and for two reasons in no particular order.....

Lack of bonus features, and MSRP that is WAY too high.

I had Speed in my hand in line at the check out, when I started reading the back. Zero bonus features. I stuck it in the rack with the impulse buy Raisinets. No way am I paying $27 for a movie only release.

Doug
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post #35 of 37
1/29/08 at 6:46pm

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

You guys should do what I do for Fox movies: buy them from a "used" seller on Amazon factory-sealed in original shrink wrap. It's pretty much an instant $10 savings, if not more.

At the prices they ask, Fox titles would never walk out with me at a B&M store!
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post #36 of 37
2/4/08 at 8:24am

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on?

Oh yes--I love Amazon Marketplace.
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post #37 of 37
2/4/08 at 4:41pm

Re: Interactivity - is that what we're going to waste the extra Blu Ray disc space on

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
You guys should do what I do for Fox movies: buy them from a "used" seller on Amazon factory-sealed in original shrink wrap. It's pretty much an instant $10 savings, if not more.

At the prices they ask, Fox titles would never walk out with me at a B&M store!

But that won't add the bonus features to the disc. Unless the film is around 8 or 9 dollars, or its a film I'm just DIEING to have, I won't be buying a movie only disc.

I'm a little more forgiving with older films such as the Bob Hope Road Films. But even there would it have hurt to find a Hope historian to do a commentary?

Doug
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