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We will be assimilated.....
post #32 of 43

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Yet we already have at least a couple of threads containing such comments from people in the SD DVD area. Furthermore, if anybody doesn't think the jump to HD media isn't a "significant enough jump" in technology then they really don't know what they're talking about. If you meant they don't see a "significant enough improvement PQ-wise" between SD DVD and HDM then that might be true due to them not watching enough HDM in a properly HD setup environment like my home theater and many others on this forum. You would think HTF members would have learned over the years not to judge what they see or hear in a BB or CC as accurate before jumping to wrong conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Jari K
Fair enough. But I thought (like Robert said) that there are already a couple of these "me don“t like HD, me like SD DVD"-type of threads?

Completely understood and agreed. But, again, Benjamin has all of six posts under his belt and has been a member since December. So maybe all that institutional knowledge has escaped him. And that's all I was trying to point out.

I hope he returns and responds to what he has read here.
post #33 of 43

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Completely understood and agreed. But, again, Benjamin has all of six posts under his belt and has been a member since December. So maybe all that institutional knowledge has escaped him. And that's all I was trying to point out.

I hope he returns and responds to what he has read here.

Yes, I was wondering about that also -- and couldn't help but take a look at his post history (partly because of the nature of the thread starting post). He's started 5 threads so far and have never followed up on any of the discussions that ensued in them though 2 of them were started only yesterday (including this one). I wonder what this latest one is about though:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...se-boards.html

_Man_
post #34 of 43

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Originally Posted by Rich Allen
The younger generation is the ones driving the downloads and they will eventually take over. My daughters don't want discs, they want to have their entire music collections on their hard drives and Ipods. And they both have asked why not for movies too?

Eventually....

The entire concept of quality is being lost. We can only hope that after college age "gotta-take-everything-with-you-all-the-time" lifestyle passes, they will see things differently. That's where our influence comes in.

MP3 is fine for wearing on your sleeve while you're jogging, but MP3 will never be high-fidelity. Well, guess I can't say never. But the whole philosophy of downloading and portability is minimization. Whether it's audio or video, high-fidelity means maximization.

A person who really loves music, hasn't lived until they have heard their favorite stuff through a state of the art, or near state of the art system. It's a whole other world. Same applies to home theater.

There will always be a good number of us around.

So far as the up-coming generation, or generations, it's up to those who come before, to keep preaching the worthwhile gospel of high quality and high standards.
post #35 of 43

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Originally Posted by David Wilkins
So far as the up-coming generation, or generations, it's up to those who come before, to keep preaching the worthwhile gospel of high quality and high standards.
Amen.
post #36 of 43

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Originally Posted by David Wilkins
So far as the up-coming generation, or generations, it's up to those who come before, to keep preaching the worthwhile gospel of high quality and high standards.

Well, I am doing my part. My five-year-old son and I sat down to watch the PotC trilogy on BD over the course of the weekend, and before the first movie started he says to me, "Dad, you like Blu-ray because it looks and sounds better [than DVD], right"? And I said, "Yes, I do". He smiled and settled himself in for the movie. It is always a pleasure when your children listen to and retain what you tell them.

I had also picked up a copy of Scooby Doo on BD during the last Amazon BOGO for the kids because that is one of the few shows that my son and three-year-old daughter can agree on. My son was so excited to have a Blu-ray Disc of his very own, it really makes you take a step back and realize the important influence a parent can have, even subconsciously, on their children. Now if I could only get them to like football.
post #37 of 43
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Re: What's so great about High-Def. discs?

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
Take a look at the quality of the DVD as compared to the HD-DVD and then you'll know what's so great.
Hi there!

I am not talking about quality. I am telling you that High-Def. discs are not good enough because the problems we already have on DVD discs are still present. We don't have enough space to store all the data. In fact we may have and retain a good quality.

But when it comes to store the data, High-Def. discs are a very dated technology. We should have much more larger discs today, capable of store an entire season of a TV show.

If we are in fact storing a TV show like Star Trek, using 2 more discs than before (HD-DVD vs. DVDs), then what's so great about it?

Are you happy with the idea of having tons of discs? Nevermind about the image/sound quality, or even the packages, these are not being discussed here.

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
As for space issues vs. having everything downloadable and the ability to put it on your hard drive... that's wghere a lot of folks think we are headed. But it may be a long time til we're there.
No argument here. That's why I hate these companies. They keep promising super-discs and new HDDs and didn't keep their promisses.

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
I would say that for many of us, this is a collector's hobby and we like all those shiny discs. Also, even though yours hasn't... hard drive do fail. Losing one disc would be bad... a whole collection would be catastrophic.
It's obvious no one will store everything in one place.

A good comparison:

The library of Alexandria. Lots of books, docs and manuscripts destroyed by fire.

A super-disc, lost because someone dropped coffee all over the place.

The most logical thing to do is to split the entire collection in many discs.

That way, if something goes wrong, your entire collection will not be destroyed. I was planning to store all my almost 1.000 discs on a single place and let the originals safe on another location.

Unfortunately, no one seems to care about this.

That's why I can't enjoy my entire collection the way I really want to.

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
And, I have no way at present time to feed the programming from my computer to my home theater set-up. I have no desiire to watch Hi-def programing on my 22" computer monitor.
You expect that everyone will start watching videos only using a PC monitor? Please.

You might connect your video card from ATI into your television, using any HDMI cable or something similar and start watching them anytime. It's very simple. Or you might have your entire collection accessible from your HD-player at any time.

I don't see what's the problem. I've never been a huge collector in my life. In fact, my collection is very simple. But I will not lie to you. I find annoying and stupid to store tons of discs. Because it is stupid. It's hard to keep, find and not pratical. And it is expensive.

The packages are not important to me, and I don't see why people have this need to be called "collectors" if they are buying photos and covers (which are not so good as they were used to be in the laserdisc and Long Play era). But I respect those who like it. However, I want the option to choose if I want to buy them or not.

Today, we don't have a choice because everyone accepts what is throwed in the market, even if it's dated technology like these High-Def. discs.
post #38 of 43

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Yeah, high quality to me is more important, and they know why I think that way, but the convenience to them is still more important.

Then again, who is to say they are wrong, at least for them?
post #39 of 43

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Originally Posted by David Wilkins
The entire concept of quality is being lost. We can only hope that after college age "gotta-take-everything-with-you-all-the-time" lifestyle passes, they will see things differently. That's where our influence comes in.
I tell you what, kids these days forsaking the goodness of Dolby B noise reduction. Really losing the concept of quality of my '80s casette tapes

I think absolute sonic fidelity comes and goes, traded against other qualities for a useable product. As much as I prefer CDs to buy, I never listen to them. They're immediately ripped; I listen to compressed music. And quality doesn't matter that much in the car, at the gym, or in the office, or even on my stereo with my $10 super-bargain speakers

But I agree -- I'd prefer to have a quality source to start with; then the option to mangle it on my own terms to fit my own needs.


As as for the risks of digital purchases -- I suppose it's not that big a deal. I've got stash of casettes somewhere that are worthless. I've just replaced the ones I want on CD or iTunes. And I remember the tapes eaten my rogue players, or the degraded sound over time; and the scratched records before that. Even my precious CDs can be broken. No real difference I suppose between my youth and today's youth: music can be lost. No big deal. Just replace it if you want.
post #40 of 43

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Also, with multiple sources for digital files out there - Amazon vs. Apple vs. NetFlix vs. Microsoft vs. Sony vs. who knows who else - we'll probably wind up seeing much more competition to provide better service than the current single-distributor model. I've only purchased a few albums digitally, but "Barenaked Ladies Are Me" offered lossless audio for a couple bucks more and the option to re-download it up to five times in case of hard drive failure.
post #41 of 43

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Originally Posted by Ben Houston

I am not talking about quality. I am telling you that High-Def. discs are not good enough because the problems we already have on DVD discs are still present. We don't have enough space to store all the data. In fact we may have and retain a good quality.



I don't know what's prompted your rants against HD discs, but I am PERFECTLY happy with the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray formats in their current incarnations. There's plenty of room to store a movie with the highest quality we've ever seen and I don't really care about being able to store an entire season of a TV show on one disc. Sure, it would be nice, but I don't stay up at night worrying about it. Like Joseph JD said, if we move to an all download model that's when I'll stop collecting movies. Hell, I've got enough DVDs, HD-DVDs and Blu-Ray discs to last me a lifetime already and I have absolutely ZERO interest in building a "digital" movie library. It's fine for music, but not for movies.
post #42 of 43

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Originally Posted by Ben Houston
Hi there!

I am not talking about quality. I am telling you that High-Def. discs are not good enough because the problems we already have on DVD discs are still present. We don't have enough space to store all the data. In fact we may have and retain a good quality.

But when it comes to store the data, High-Def. discs are a very dated technology. We should have much more larger discs today, capable of store an entire season of a TV show.

If we are in fact storing a TV show like Star Trek, using 2 more discs than before (HD-DVD vs. DVDs), then what's so great about it?

Are you happy with the idea of having tons of discs? Nevermind about the image/sound quality, or even the packages, these are not being discussed here.

No argument here. That's why I hate these companies. They keep promising super-discs and new HDDs and didn't keep their promisses.

It's obvious no one will store everything in one place.

A good comparison:

The library of Alexandria. Lots of books, docs and manuscripts destroyed by fire.

A super-disc, lost because someone dropped coffee all over the place.

The most logical thing to do is to split the entire collection in many discs.

That way, if something goes wrong, your entire collection will not be destroyed. I was planning to store all my almost 1.000 discs on a single place and let the originals safe on another location.

Unfortunately, no one seems to care about this.

That's why I can't enjoy my entire collection the way I really want to.

You expect that everyone will start watching videos only using a PC monitor? Please.

You might connect your video card from ATI into your television, using any HDMI cable or something similar and start watching them anytime. It's very simple. Or you might have your entire collection accessible from your HD-player at any time.

I don't see what's the problem. I've never been a huge collector in my life. In fact, my collection is very simple. But I will not lie to you. I find annoying and stupid to store tons of discs. Because it is stupid. It's hard to keep, find and not pratical. And it is expensive.

The packages are not important to me, and I don't see why people have this need to be called "collectors" if they are buying photos and covers (which are not so good as they were used to be in the laserdisc and Long Play era). But I respect those who like it. However, I want the option to choose if I want to buy them or not.

Today, we don't have a choice because everyone accepts what is throwed in the market, even if it's dated technology like these High-Def. discs.
You appear to be suffering from the "where's my flying car" syndrome. As you are willing to hook up your PC to your display, you already have the means to do what you want--rip your data to hard drive (even HDM can be done if you look around). Moreover, you are making contradictory points. You decry the "many discs" and yet you cite their importance soon after. If you want the "superdisc" (all of Star Trek in HD on one disc, for example), you will still face the problem of what happens if it breaks or is lost. So you want both the "superdisc" and a way to make a back up on some sort of hard drive for your HTPC? That's just an unrealistic expectation. The market economy works by responding to demands, but the demands have either to fulfill a need OR people have to be convinced of the need (even if it really isn't one at all). Neither case applies to your complaint. The number of people who have THOUSANDS of discs is far smaller than hanging around here (and similar fora) would suggest. So the need to shrink the volume of space necessary to store the discs is not sufficient to create a demand for "superdiscs". Furthermore, it is not cost/profit effective for manufacturers to aggressively pursue such a product and convince people they need it (it's hard enough to convince people they "need" HDM in its current format(s) with any serious success).

I'm afraid what you want is not going to happen anytime soon.
post #43 of 43
Thread Starter 

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Just a sad note, since this thread makes me remember something that I regret even today.

Two decades ago, when I was recording things that were (and will never be) available again (or in a better way), I was forced to use the worst way of recording my VHS tapes, instead of the SP quality (2 hours). I knew the SP mode was better, but I didn't care.

I never realize that everything was going to vanish for good (another reason to make backups of anything you got, unless you have a way to access a free worldwide "movie library" with all your needs, and that way you don't need to collect anything.).

I was dumb that time and never realized that one day was going to regret my decision (since many things are not being showed anymore on TV), that was pure economic. That's right, VHS tapes were far more expensive than a single DVD-R. And recording things on SP was a bad choice mainly because of the risk of not have enough space. Some VCRs didn't have support to the LP (4 hours) format.

However, even in the old days we were used to record different things and programs on a single tape (if we were using the EP/6 hours quality). The diversity of things you were able to record on a single tape was a trademark of that time.

Now we don't have to record anything that is available for sell, packaged the way the companies want it. We might convert our old VHS tapes to DVD. But we can't buy new High-Def. recordable media yet, it's very expensive compared to Hard Disk drives and even DVD-R discs.

And we can't use our HDDs to store anything we have, they don't have enough space since we are already using to store many movies, musics and other stuff, even compressed, might be downloaded videos you're watching when you have time.

So, one problem is solved. No more lack of space to record something retaining the best image/sound quality (a huge issue those days). Even by using a capture card (instead of a DVD-recorder that retains some quality only if you use the same 2/2.5 hours on a single media/4.7 GB). However, we exchanged one problem for another.

But hey, what the hell!

Nevermind.

It's useless to keep fighting against ideas and concepts forced over many years by all companies. The damage is already done. I have to live with that.

Resistance is futile.
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