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post #91 of 111

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Part of the limiting factor in terms of what films were represented yesterday evening was the genres themselves. I have not been to the AFI site, so I have no idea how the genres were selected / devised for this listing but as an example of how choices were limited the only comedies chosen last night were ones with a romantic subplots. This effectively eliminated titles such as Young Frankenstein, Dr. Strangelove, etc., etc.

You could argue that some of these genres were represented in earlier lists so that by having narrower genres (courtroom drama for instance) this enables other titles to have their day.

- Walter.
post #92 of 111

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Originally Posted by PatW
One of the biggest omissions for me was the Princess Bride and the Apartment. I thought they would have been shoo-ins for their respective categories.

Ouch, I didn't even realize that THE APARTMENT had been left off. This comes as a shock since the movie has always been popular but it seems its reputation has grown even higher over the past five years.
post #93 of 111

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Ouch, I didn't even realize that THE APARTMENT had been left off. This comes as a shock since the movie has always been popular but it seems its reputation has grown even higher over the past five years.

When I saw that Annie Hall was #2 then I knew for sure that the Apartment would be #1. I even wrote the name down and then they announced City Lights..... Oh well.
post #94 of 111

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How did "Schindler's List" beat "Gone With the Wind" on the epics list?

And I don't even recall a courtroom in "In Cold Blood".
post #95 of 111

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Would A Place in the sun be considered a courtroom drama? I'm surprised it wasn't even nominated because I thought it was a great movie.
post #96 of 111

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Originally Posted by Ray H
How did "Schindler's List" beat "Gone With the Wind" on the epics list?
Mostly because there are many who think it a better movie.

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And I don't even recall a courtroom in "In Cold Blood".
Watch it again. Not to say I think it fit the criteria, but it did at least as much as Jerry McGuire was in the sports category.
post #97 of 111

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Here's my thoughts on the lists.
  • ANIMATION - I knew that this would be a Disney/Pixar centric category, but they took it to extremes that not even I could anticipate. Nine out of ten go to this team and the tenth is "Shrek"? Personally, "Shrek" would be in my bottom ten list. I think that the omission of "A Nightmare Before Christmas" is a huge oversight. This movie has only grown in stature and the total of lack of stop-motion is really reprehensible. Of course, "Dumbo" would have been my personal #1. A more interesting top ten would have been for animated shorts.
  • FANTASY - "The Thief of Bagdhad" was certainly a pleasant surprise, but I was equally surprised by the absence of "The Princess Bride"
  • ROMANTIC COMEDIES - WTF? The absence of "The Apartment" negates the entire special for me. I was completely mortified that it was not included. I had it picked for #2 and thought that it had a realistic chance of topping the list. "Harold and Maude" was a pleasant inclusion that I had not predicted. I also would have included "The Shop Around the Corner".
  • SCI-FI - This category went almost completely to plan. I picked 7/10 correctly. I was slightly shocked that the original "Planet of the Apes" was not included, but I somehow overlooked "ET" and "Back to the Future" when making my predictions.
  • WESTERN - Two big shockers here. I didn't see "Cat Ballou" coming at all...and if a comedy western is going to make it, I have to say that "Blazing Saddles" sets the pace over "Cat Ballou" any day. On the other hand, I was pleasantly stunned by "McCabe and Mrs. Miller". I didn't figure that this had a snowball's chance in hell of making it.
  • GANGSTER - Nothing too shocking here. Even though "Touch of Evil" does not exactly fit the category, I thought that it might finally get some love. Also the absence of "Once Upon a Time in America" from either this or the epic list is a bit perplexing.
  • SPORTS - This went pretty much to plan for me. I'm not familiar with "Breaking Away" and for some strange reason, I have never watched "National Velvet". I will have to remedy these situations. I thought that "Rocky" would top "Raging Bull" just because it's seems like a more pure sports film and also has a much larger fan base. I was mildly shocked that "Bull Durham" trumped "The Natural".
  • COURTROOM DRAMA - I think that AFI invented this genre...and several of the films have minimal courtoom scenes, including "12 Angry Men", but I it did give a few other films a chance for recognition. I recently saw "The Verdict" and wasn't all that impressed, so it's high presence was a bit of a shocker.....and I've never heard of "A Cry in the Dark". I've watched nearly every one of these AFI shows, and this is the first time that I've been presented by a film that I didn't recognize at all.
  • MYSTERY - I knew that Hitchcock would get a significant showing in this category, but I didn't see "Dial M For Murder" coming. As enjoyable as that film can be, it's generally considered a lesser Hitchcock movie. "The Thin Man" or "Charade" would have been better choices. Aside from that, no major surprises.
  • EPIC - This category was an absolute mess. First of all, I completely disagree with the AFI's definition of an Epic being purely about length of the movie. If this is the qualification, where is "Nashville", "Short Cuts", "Magnolia", "Greed", etc... Nearly half of the films that made this list, I would not consider to be epic films. They would have been better off breaking this in to two categories "HISTORICAL" & "WAR".
Overall, I liked the concept of the program, I just think that they picked a horrible set of genres. Next time, try "HORROR", "NOIR", "SILENT", "MUSICAL", "BIOGRAPHIC", "HISTORICAL", "WAR", etc.... It's probably too simple to use genres that are accepted genres, though.

Eliminating the "EPIC" category, I average picking 7/10 on each list and nailed 6 of the top 10. In 3 other categories, I had the #1 picked at #2 and in the final, I had the #1 at #3.
post #98 of 111

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I like the idea of a Silents category but I imagine it would get shot down as a ratings killer. However it would be an awesome category for a third 'top twenty-five' for the Hollywood Bowl concerts.
post #99 of 111

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Yeah, the silent thing would never go over with a network. Plus, no network will ever say the word "Griffith" on the air.

Re: A CRY IN THE DARK

I watched part of this years ago but the DVD froze and I wasn't thrilled with it enough to go back and rewatch it. INHERIT THE WIND was the most shocking film left off as I figured it would at least be in the top 10.

I'm also shocked or confused that PSYCHO didn't get on the mystery list. I don't want to restart a debate on whether or not it is or isn't a horror film but the "mystery" of the movie is, in my opinion, the greatest and most shocking mystery of any film ever made. Without that mystery or without that mystery working so well, PSYCHO is forgotten about today.
post #100 of 111

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Murnau's Sunrise is also an omission.

This would likely be the winner of the silent era
post #101 of 111

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Originally Posted by Michael Elliott
Re: A CRY IN THE DARK

I watched part of this years ago but the DVD froze and I wasn't thrilled with it enough to go back and rewatch it. INHERIT THE WIND was the most shocking film left off as I figured it would at least be in the top 10.

I saw A Cry in the Dark when it first came out years ago. I thought it was an adequate enough movie but not memorable in any way. How this one made the list and not Inherit the Wind is beyond me. I would have thought Inherit the Wind and Tracy's performance in particular would have been more in the mind's of the voters than that obscure Meryl Streep one. I was also surprised by some of the other choices and also shocked but delighted that a David Lynch film made the grade. I thought he would have been just too ' out there' for the voters.
post #102 of 111

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Yeah the lack of Inherit the Wind and The Apartment are both baffling.

It's interesting that on a couple other forums, the posters (almost all men) bitch that Romantic Comedy shouldn't be a category and they should have War films instead, as if the top ten lists weren't male oriented enough as it was.
post #103 of 111

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I’d like to have seen a further subset of Romantic Comedies: Screwballs. Maybe then Preston Sturges would get a bit more recognition.
post #104 of 111

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Lists are dumb.
post #105 of 111

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Originally Posted by AaronMan
Lists are dumb.

This is so true. The only good thing that comes out of them is that they do cause a discussion, which might make people watch them to see what all the fuss is about.
post #106 of 111

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Screwball Comedies would have been better, but ratings. :shrug: I noticed that romantic comedies were one of the last genres in the program, that was probably deliberate.
post #107 of 111

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Someone else brought this up on another board but is THE THIRD MAN a British film?
post #108 of 111

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I'm assuming only American films qualify. Isn't Lawrence of Arabia and Clockwork Orange British as well ?
post #109 of 111

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all three made with american funding, put in production by american producers & studios iirc.
post #110 of 111

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Thanks re: THE THIRD MAN. I think I read somewhere that for a film to be considered "American", then it must have had 90% of the money from American hands.
post #111 of 111

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I thought it was more than 50% financing but I"m not sure.
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