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post #31 of 147
1/24/08 at 4:48pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

Looks like Feb 28th will be the results show that pares the field down to 16.

Jan 15th-16th: National tryouts
Jan 22nd-23rd: National tryouts
Jan 29th-30th: National tryouts
Feb 5th-6th: National tryouts

Feb 12th-13th: Hollywood Part 1-2 (Top 24 revealed)
Feb 19th: Top 12 Men perform
Feb 20th: Top 12 Women perform
Feb 21th: First Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home)

Feb 26th: Top 10 Men perform
Feb 27th: Top 10 Women perform
Feb 28th: Second Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home)

Mar 4th: Top 8 Men perform
Mar 5th: Top 8 Women perform
Mar 6th: Third Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home: Top 12 revealed)

Mar 11th: Top 12 performance show
Mar 12th: First finalist voted off
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post #32 of 147
1/24/08 at 5:26pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

Placeholder!

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #33 of 147
1/24/08 at 8:03pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

I just realised something: if your list contains names that didn't actually reach the final 10, how are those scored? "Zero" is the ideal score, equating a spot-on prediction, so names that didn't actually make top 10 need to be 'penalised' somehow. For instance, perhaps they could be treated as finishing 11th? Otherwise getting it badly wrong actually works in your favour.
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post #34 of 147
1/25/08 at 7:55am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

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Originally Posted by Yee-Ming
I just realised something: if your list contains names that didn't actually reach the final 10, how are those scored? "Zero" is the ideal score, equating a spot-on prediction, so names that didn't actually make top 10 need to be 'penalised' somehow. For instance, perhaps they could be treated as finishing 11th? Otherwise getting it badly wrong actually works in your favour.

Good question, and one that I think that we actually have covered by the way the scoring works (unless I misread your question). If you pick a contestant to finish, say, 8th and that contestant actually gets voted off in the 15th position then the score for that person would be 7 (15-8). In other words, if some of your choices never make it to the top ten they don't get a "zero" score but the difference between what you predicted and their actual final position in the contest. To take this to an extreme example - let's say you picked a contestant to come in first and he/she actually comes in 16th (assuming a "Final 16" scenario). That contestant gets a score of 15, not zero.

Make sense?
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post #35 of 147
1/25/08 at 7:59am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
Looks like Feb 28th will be the results show that pares the field down to 16.

Jan 15th-16th: National tryouts
Jan 22nd-23rd: National tryouts
Jan 29th-30th: National tryouts
Feb 5th-6th: National tryouts

Feb 12th-13th: Hollywood Part 1-2 (Top 24 revealed)
Feb 19th: Top 12 Men perform
Feb 20th: Top 12 Women perform
Feb 21th: First Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home)

Feb 26th: Top 10 Men perform
Feb 27th: Top 10 Women perform
Feb 28th: Second Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home)

Mar 4th: Top 8 Men perform
Mar 5th: Top 8 Women perform
Mar 6th: Third Results Show (2 guys/2 girls go home: Top 12 revealed)

Mar 11th: Top 12 performance show
Mar 12th: First finalist voted off

Thanks for the information, Patrick! Based on this (and assuming no schedule change) then I will close the entries on Tuesday, March 4th at 8:00 pm EST. A "Final 16" pool for the "Top Ten" makes it a bit more challenging. I'm also amending the rules to reflect a "Final 16" and changing the title to reflect the deadline.
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post #36 of 147
1/27/08 at 9:34pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Got it.

The only other problem then is that when voting off at that stage, is it necessarily clear that of the two being booted off, one actually finished bottom and the other second bottom that round? I can't remember whether they ever actually did it that way, IIRC it was more like halfway through all 8 (say) a few are told they are safe, then one is told he's going home, then they continue telling others they are safe, or not safe until a pair is reached, then one goes home and one stays.

All to add to dramatic tension when in reality Seacrest could announce everything in 30 seconds, but then there wouldn't be much of a results show, would there?

We had a similar problem last year (Chris Richardson I think, and someone else) and by consensus agreed both had been voted off 'together'.
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post #37 of 147
1/28/08 at 10:28am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yee-Ming
Got it.

The only other problem then is that when voting off at that stage, is it necessarily clear that of the two being booted off, one actually finished bottom and the other second bottom that round? I can't remember whether they ever actually did it that way, IIRC it was more like halfway through all 8 (say) a few are told they are safe, then one is told he's going home, then they continue telling others they are safe, or not safe until a pair is reached, then one goes home and one stays.

All to add to dramatic tension when in reality Seacrest could announce everything in 30 seconds, but then there wouldn't be much of a results show, would there?

We had a similar problem last year (Chris Richardson I think, and someone else) and by consensus agreed both had been voted off 'together'.

Yes, everything you say is true and we have it all "covered" as well. In any case where two people are voted off in the same night and there is not a clear indication of which one received the fewest votes of the two then we simply average the positions for scoring purposes. That's exactly what happened with the Chris Richardson situation (last year, I believe) He and another contestant (I'm sure another member will supply the name) were voted off in positions 6 and 5. Because it was never made clear as to which one was "6th" and which one was "5th" I assigned a point value of 5.5 to each of them and moved on.

I totally agree that in the early stages of the "finals" there is a better chance that dual eliminations may not clearly state the actual order of elimination. Generally this does not happen once we reach the "Top Ten" because AI is famous for making this a "one elimination per week" format. It both builds suspense and drags it out (like most things in AI as you observed). And that's why I prefer to go with a "Top Ten" Challenge rather than trying to pick, say, the order of the Top 16 or so. The Chris Richardson situation at positions 6 and 5 was an unusual one and, if I recall, somehow tied to events beyond the normal AI program which may have pre-empted the normal flow of things.

Don't worry Yee-Ming, we not only have tried to account for most contingencies, but will adjust as the situation warrants. Sometimes one of the challenges of the "Top Ten Challenge" is actually keeping up with the occasional monkey wrench that's thrown out there by the show.


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post #38 of 147
1/28/08 at 11:13pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Quote:
Originally Posted by RAF
The Chris Richardson situation at positions 6 and 5 was an unusual one and, if I recall, somehow tied to events beyond the normal AI program which may have pre-empted the normal flow of things.
The "Idol Gives Back" show, IIRC, and they said it didn't feel right to kick someone off after such a feel-good show, but the following week two would be sent home instead, with both weeks' votes cumulatively counting. I suppose if they'd postponed the inevitable by disregarding that week's show, voters would've been P.O.ed that their votes were meaningless, or had less impact if combined into only one elimination. And no doubt someone would've sued...
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post #39 of 147
1/29/08 at 2:05am

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. David A.
02. Michael Johns
03. Carly Smithson
04. Kristy Lee Cook
05. Kady Malloy
06. Chikezie
07. Brooke White
08. David Cook
09. Luke Menard
10. Ramiele Malubay

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #40 of 147
1/29/08 at 10:14am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

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Originally Posted by Yee-Ming
The "Idol Gives Back" show, IIRC, and they said it didn't feel right to kick someone off after such a feel-good show, but the following week two would be sent home instead, with both weeks' votes cumulatively counting. I suppose if they'd postponed the inevitable by disregarding that week's show, voters would've been P.O.ed that their votes were meaningless, or had less impact if combined into only one elimination. And no doubt someone would've sued...

Yes, that was it! Thanks for the memories.
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post #41 of 147
1/30/08 at 1:14pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

I'll make a placeholder. Is there anything to win Robert, or is this just for fun/honor/glory?

A fun side bet would be to accurately call when the "bird man" returns for an encore later in the season. FYI - the "bird man" was the Simon, I am your brother! Your best friend forever! dude. I'm thinking 3 weeks from the finale...
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post #42 of 147
2/1/08 at 8:26am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Yes, there will be a prize involving some HT "Media." I don't want to mention the exact title or titles that we will give away until we get close to the end of AI7. The HTF usually has access to some current DVD products through our various contacts and by not specifying the exact nature of the prize allows us to award something that might not even be on the radar at this time.

So, even though we are sweetening the pot, so to speak, with a prize for the winner the real honor is the glory of trying to be the one who achieves the best score in these contests. That's why a lot of the moderators here and their significant others join in. Even though we aren't eligible for a prize, the real reward would be to win the challenge. I will be announcing which entrants are ineligible for the media prize once all entries are in.

Last year, during the Survivor:China Top Ten Challenge Dheiner set the standard with a remarkable total score of 9 points (lowest score wins). This included five spots picked perfectly (0 points) and will be very hard to surpass in my opinion. In his honor, we have established "The Dheiner Line at Nine"

It will take an impressive effort to knock him off the throne.


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post #43 of 147
2/8/08 at 7:21pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm E

Place Holder!







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post #44 of 147
2/12/08 at 6:33pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Placeholder
First time I have tried one of these contest.
should be fun
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post #45 of 147
2/13/08 at 9:13pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Place holder for me.

Never have done this before, but I became an AI junkie the last couple of years. Should be fun.

--John
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post #46 of 147
2/16/08 at 5:30pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

I'm in!
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post #47 of 147
2/17/08 at 8:58pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Placeholder, please.
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post #48 of 147
2/23/08 at 7:42am

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm E

Count me in! This sounds like a fun game
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post #49 of 147
2/28/08 at 6:11pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

10. Kristy
09. Syesha
08. Danny
07. Asia'h
06. David H
05. Ramiele
04. Michael
03. Brooke
02. David A.
01. Carly

***Entry Recorded ***

Members, please enter 1-10 not 10-1 to make it a bit easier for me.
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post #50 of 147
2/28/08 at 6:47pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. David A.
02. Michael
03. Ramiele
04. David H.
05. Carly
06. David C.
07. Brooke
08. Jason C.
09. Syesha
10. Kristy

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #51 of 147
2/28/08 at 7:05pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. Michael
02. Carly
03. Syesha
04. David A.
05. Kristy
06. David H.
07. Asia'h
08. Brooke
09. Danny
10. Amanda

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #52 of 147
2/28/08 at 7:08pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

01. Syesha
02. David A.
03. Asia'h
04. Ramiele
05. Kristy
06. Brooke
07. David H.
08. Chickezie
09. Michael
10. David C.

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #53 of 147
2/28/08 at 7:16pm
Thread Starter 

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge: ***First Details ***

O.K. The entries are now open. You have until March 4th at 8pm EST to enter your unique list. It is not necessary to go back to your placeholder to enter your list. Adding a message at the end of this thread is fine. I'll take care of all the rest.

Remember: If two lists are identical, the first person with the submission gets the list. There are a huge number of possible unique entries so nobody should get shut out if their entry is rejected for duplication (unless they don't re-submit by March 4, 8pm EST if requested).

Happy picking!
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post #54 of 147
2/28/08 at 8:20pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

1. David A.
2. Brooke
3. Ramiele
4. Carly
5. Syesha
6. Michael
7. Jason
8. Kristy
9. David H.
10. Asia'h

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #55 of 147
2/28/08 at 9:18pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. David Archuleta
02. Brooke
03. Carly
04. Michael
05. Ramiele
06. Syesha
07. Kristy
08. David Cook
09. Danny
10. Asia'h

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #56 of 147
2/28/08 at 9:45pm
Thread Starter 

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. David A.
02. Carly
03. Brooke
04. Ramiele
05. Michael
06. Asia'h
07. Syesha
08. Amanda
09. Chickezie
10. David H.

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #57 of 147
2/29/08 at 4:43am

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Quote:
Members, please enter 1-10 not 10-1 to make it a bit easier for me.

Sorry about that RAF!
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post #58 of 147
2/29/08 at 7:43am

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

01. David A.
02. Ramiele
03. Brooke
04. Michael
05. Carly
06. Kristy
07. Asia'h
08. David C.
09. Jason
10. Syesha

***Entry Recorded ***
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post #59 of 147
2/29/08 at 8:09am
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Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**Entry Deadline 03/04 8:00pm EST**

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan X
Sorry about that RAF!

No problem, Bryan. I just didn't want you to start a trend!

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post #60 of 147
3/1/08 at 7:35pm

Re: The 2008 American Idol (#7) HTF Top Ten Challenge:**ENTRIES OPEN UNTIL 3/4 8pm ES

01. David A.
02. Michael
03. Carly
04. Brooke
05. Ramiele
06. Jason
07. Kristie
08. David C.
09. David H.
10. Asia'h

***Entry Recorded ***
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