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post #91 of 153
1/11/08 at 7:09pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

So when your current DVD player dies, you plan to replace it with another DVD player? Why not get a BR player and expand your horizons?





edited once for spelling
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post #92 of 153
1/11/08 at 7:18pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

I am in the wait for the $99 player boat, until till then, Dish HD and SD DVD makes my family happy.
The only DVD we buy anymore are kids movies, everything else is Netflix, I will do the same with Blue Ray.
Any chance Blue Ray will change their name to HDDVD, I hate the name blue ray.
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post #93 of 153
1/11/08 at 8:43pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Lance_R
Any chance Blue Ray will change their name to HDDVD, I hate the name blue ray.
I'm the exact opposite- I think that "HD-DVD" is a bit clunky-sounding, and "blu-ray" rolls of the tongue a lot easier. However, "HD-DVD" is a more self-explanatory title for the average consumer.
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post #94 of 153
1/11/08 at 9:22pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

The crazy conspiracy theory that I'm holding in my back pocket would be that Sony and Toshiba will eventually come to some sort of terms where Blu-ray would be the final format and they would eventually phase in the name HD DVD to replace the Blu-ray name.
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post #95 of 153
1/11/08 at 10:16pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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So when your current DVD player dies, you play to replace it with another DVD player? Why not get a BR player and expand your horizons
Since the players are backward compatible, that is an option.
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post #96 of 153
1/12/08 at 12:13am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Don Solosan
So when your current DVD player dies, you play to replace it with another DVD player? Why not get a BR player and expand your horizons?

I have a recordable DVD player with hard drive. When will the equivalent come out on Blu-ray and at a reasonable price?
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post #97 of 153
1/12/08 at 1:58am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Douglas R
I have a recordable DVD player with hard drive. When will the equivalent come out on Blu-ray and at a reasonable price?

What do you consider reasonable price?

If the BDA (and the entire industry) is serious about making Blu-ray anywhere near as successful as DVD has been, I'm guessing they'll need to have reasonably affordable recordable decks available w/in 5 or so years from now -- FWIW, I'd consider $300 to be reasonably affordable. But that's just a highly speculative guess on my part. Anything can happen under the circumstance.

_Man_
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post #98 of 153
1/12/08 at 3:33am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

" Since the players are backward compatible, that is an option. "

If only they would kill off Region Coding entirely so that all new players really would be compatible . I havent come across anyone yet who intends to dump their SD collection and start again . The Video Upscaling solutions in some HD/BD players is a great feature .

~M~
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post #99 of 153
1/12/08 at 10:08am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
If your prediction is correct and SD goes completely bye-bye in the next year or so - which is what your timetable sounds like - I will happily eat a big pie made of dog poop.

Which is my way of saying that there's absolutely no way SD-DVD vanishes overnight like that. There are skillions of SD-DVD players out there and not a whole lot of BD players. Even if they do drop to $99 by this time next year, not "everyone" will be getting one. Many, many people will be happy to stay with their SD players.

I think the BR/HD fanboys fail to understand that all the unwashed masses who've gotten into SD-DVD won't be eager to replace their old collections. It's gonna take a LOOOONG time - if ever - for BR to completely eradicate SD. I've always said that the average Joe isn't going to be interested in a new format that's not a radical change. The average person saw a big difference between VHS and SD-DVD, not only in terms of picture/sound but also in convenience and features. BR upgrades the visuals a bit but isn't the revolutionary step up that VHS to DVD is.

And those people are gonna balk at being "forced" to buy into a new format when they've just gotten settled with the old one.

Face it - the tiny fraction of BR/HD fanboys doesn't represent the real world. I've seen posts here that don't understand why they even MAKE SD-DVDs anymore...

Point, set, match. Game over. Colin killed this one.

100% agree.
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post #100 of 153
1/12/08 at 11:05am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Lance_R
I hate the name blue ray.

The thing that irks me is that they leave off the "e" so that it's actually Blu-Ray. It's just literally stupid looking and appears like an attempt to be hip by intentionally misspelling a word, thereby continuing to dumb down the culture.

Have some class and call yourselves, "Blue-Ray" why don't you? Heck, even "Sting-Ray" will suffice.

I also shudder at the thought of going into the store and asking the clerk if they have "Ray" on "Blu-Ray" i.e. Rayon Blue Ray
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post #101 of 153
1/12/08 at 11:43am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

If I recall correctly the problem with "Blue-ray" is that they couldn't get a copyright cleared for the name so they had to take off the "e" in order to make it unique.
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post #102 of 153
1/12/08 at 12:48pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

"I have a recordable DVD player with hard drive. When will the equivalent come out on Blu-ray and at a reasonable price?"

The way the studios are trying to increase control over what people do with their media, maybe never. Who knows?

My DVD player is starting to hiccup at the layer changes. I expect I'll be replacing it in another year or two...
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post #103 of 153
1/12/08 at 2:56pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Chris S
If I recall correctly the problem with "Blue-ray" is that they couldn't get a copyright cleared for the name so they had to take off the "e" in order to make it unique.

At least the logo looks ok. THe HD-DVD logo, with the HD and a couple semi-circles tacked on to the left, was so amateur.
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post #104 of 153
1/12/08 at 3:19pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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If only they would kill off Region Coding entirely
I have a SD Multi-regional Player with PAL-to-NTSC conversion. And I will continue to own one be it SD or Hi Def, as long as region coding exists.
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post #105 of 153
1/12/08 at 3:22pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Don Solosan
So when your current DVD player dies, you plan to replace it with another DVD player? Why not get a BR player and expand your horizons?
That's what I'm thinking of doing in the near future. Currently, I only own one DVD player and it's a DVD-recorder as well (a Sony RDR-GX7, Sony's first recorder). There's nothing wrong with it- still works perfectly, but I'd like to get a 2nd DVD player for the bedroom. With blu-ray players becoming more and more reasonably priced, I can't see plunking down $ for a decent DVD player, when I can get something that will also play blu-ray discs.
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post #106 of 153
1/12/08 at 3:22pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

I will replace my dvd player with a Blue Ray when my current dvd player dies but will not replace my current 10 year old 36 Panasonic flat screen TV until it no longer plays with a High def TV. This may be another 10 or 15 years. Since the majority of my movies are watched on a 7" Toshiba portable DVD player, my first purchase may be a portable Blue Ray dvd player. Although I doubt that the picture will look any better than DVD on a 7" screen. Any opinion on that? 75 percent of all my movie watching is on a portable dvd player while at work on the night shift.
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post #107 of 153
1/12/08 at 8:59pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Don Solosan
So when your current DVD player dies, you plan to replace it with another DVD player? Why not get a BR player and expand your horizons?

Because I can get a nice upconverting Panasonic SD player for $90 while their Blu-Ray player is $500?
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post #108 of 153
1/12/08 at 11:48pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

Colin, that's now. You think prices will still be that high in a year or two or three?
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post #109 of 153
1/13/08 at 12:16am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Jeff_HR
I have a SD Multi-regional Player with PAL-to-NTSC conversion. And I will continue to own one be it SD or Hi Def, as long as region coding exists.
Same here. I have an Oppo multi-region player and I've been importing alot of DVD's steadily for a few years and that's why I'm with HD-DVD due to the zero regional coding. At least for HD titles though. My HD-DVD to BR ratio is literally 4:1. Alot of the time what I don't like about alot of titles is that they don't carry over all of the extras. I'll never sell my DVD's unless its High Definition counterpart carries over EVERYTHING from the particular release I own. Hell, there're still titles that I'm repurchasing that i regretfully sold over time.
I'm a slow but steady upgrader. I figure it's always a good idea to wait awhile for a certain thing I'm particularly fond of to purchase to go down in price. I'm not even going to BUY Blu-ray since my best friend already owns a PS3. Even then, the HD war isn't anywhere over and those people who say it is, that's calling the results very prematurely.
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post #110 of 153
1/13/08 at 12:18am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

Double post.
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post #111 of 153
1/13/08 at 7:56am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Ray_R
Even then, the HD war isn't anywhere over and those people who say it is, that's calling the results very prematurely.

I'm curious what you think HD-DVD's saving grace will be, then? It was already being outsold 3:1 in favor of Blu-ray before Warner's announcement.
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post #112 of 153
1/13/08 at 8:28am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Don Solosan
Colin, that's now. You think prices will still be that high in a year or two or three?

Nope, but I don't need a new DVD player a year or two or three from now - I need one NOW. I just bought a new 16X9 set so I need an upconverting player. I could drop $500 on the Panny Blu-Ray or $90 on a Panny unconverting model - it wasn't much of a contest...
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post #113 of 153
1/13/08 at 8:40am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Thomas J.
Point, set, match. Game over. Colin killed this one.

100% agree.

There's one other point not previously mentioned. You need an HD tv in order to watch high def DVDs. I'd imagine you might be able to hook one up to a standard tv but there's no point in it.

Right now even people with the lowest of incomes can fork out $50 for a DVD player, these people aren't going to buy a $300 HD player and another $1500+ for a tv to play it on.

It took, what, 8 years for VHS to finally die? I would expect that at a minimum. Only when HD tvs drop down to SD tv prices and there's one in every home will SD DVDs disappear.

-paul
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post #114 of 153
1/13/08 at 8:54am

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

In a word: no!

Several reasons:

1. Unlike many others, I don't see the format war as being anything like over! It won't be over until every major studio is backing the same format. WB are still releasing on both until May. Paramount, Universal and Dreamworks are still HD-DVD exclusive. There are still a LOT of uncertainties and I ain't gonna take that gamble. Considering all the bribes that are floating around, the tables could turn again VERY easily!

2. The quality of DVD is just fine on my 28" Panasonic widescreen telly. Plus I have a Denon 2930 which uses one of the best chips in the world to upscale and has zero - ZERO - layer changes. Therefore it's a better upscaler than ANY current HD or BD player!

3. Many BD discs dump the SD extras which means doubling up on a lot of titles. I don't have the space. Plus you just know they'll be out again WITH the extras and I ain't double dipping again.

4. BD is region-coded although a few places in Europe are now offering multi-region hacks so things are looking up there. I will not buy into a format that prevents me from importing movies from the US. End of.

5. I'm still upgrading (fairly obscure) movies from VHS and laserdisc and catching up with some TV box sets. For the reasons above I'd rather put my money into those right now, rather than pick up ANOTHER copy of Die Hard or whatever.

John
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post #115 of 153
1/13/08 at 12:39pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Nope, but I don't need a new DVD player a year or two or three from now - I need one NOW.

Okay, we'll catch up with you next time!
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post #116 of 153
1/13/08 at 3:26pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by John H Ross
1. Unlike many others, I don't see the format war as being anything like over!
Regardless of what the WB move may result in, the format war is over for one single reason; that being the fact that the media is already proclaming Blu-Ray the winner far and wide throughout the world. That is why no one interested in going HD is going to invest in HD DVD at this point. It doesn't matter what the HD DVD camp will try to tell the public - the public won't be listening to them. The war may not be officially over, but the only thing that's left is for the losing side to capitulate.
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post #117 of 153
1/13/08 at 5:48pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Paul D G
There's one other point not previously mentioned. You need an HD tv in order to watch high def DVDs. I'd imagine you might be able to hook one up to a standard tv but there's no point in it.
That's a good question- CAN you watch blu-rays or hd-dvds on an analog set?
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post #118 of 153
1/13/08 at 6:32pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Thomas J.
The thing that irks me is that they leave off the "e" so that it's actually Blu-Ray. It's just literally stupid looking and appears like an attempt to be hip by intentionally misspelling a word, thereby continuing to dumb down the culture.

It is something some of us battle on a daily basis. I even had the opportunity to know a guy in college who was named Blu Bean, no "e", like me.
Go figure!
LOL!
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post #119 of 153
1/13/08 at 8:52pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Travis Brashear
I'm curious what you think HD-DVD's saving grace will be, then? It was already being outsold 3:1 in favor of Blu-ray before Warner's announcement.

That software stat is heavily skewed because Sony has been running some kind of BD giveaway weekly ever since TRANSFORMERS came out in October. I'd love to see a genuine "ratio" of titles actually purchased and not Buy 1 Get 1 Free, which no question helped Sony's PR establish this mythological "sales ratio" for everyone who drank their kool-aid.
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post #120 of 153
1/13/08 at 9:50pm

Re: Since WB went BluRay Exclusive, Any SD Fans Going Over?

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Originally Posted by Will_B
At least the logo looks ok. THe HD-DVD logo, with the HD and a couple semi-circles tacked on to the left, was so amateur.

Now see, I have a different take. My admittedly superficial reasons for supporting HD-DVD over Blu-Ray were:

1. HD-DVD is a more logical name than Blu-Ray
2. I like the HD-DVD logo much better than Blu-Ray's
3. I like the dark red cases much better than the blue cases

I jumped in last summer and got a great deal, but the writing's on the wall and I will join the Blu-Ray camp some day.... but probably not until they change the design and color of those cases. SD-DVD will do for now.
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