Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release - Page 4

Originally Posted by Nelson Au

But I still see Star Trek as somewhat a limited market. As big a world wide property it is for Paramount CBS, I can't see it selling that big to the mainstream like Friends did. Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by Douglas Monce

The question is, will CBS keep making the season 1 set, considering there is no SD only version? Right now HD DVD combo or nothing. Or will they press an SD only set?

Doug

Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs

Ultimately I'd agree with this, but in terms of the demographics that the current Blu-ray market occupies, I'd expect if both titles were released early Star Trek would fare better. And the overall trek market may be smallish, but it is dedicated, which is why the series has been sold in nearly every video format to date, long before the tv-on-DVD craze hit.



Just a guess but I'd say it's a certainty to let the supply run out. Even if it takes a year to put S1 out on BR that's not really very long and CBS is going to have to do separate DVD releases for S2 & S3, as there's no such thing as a Blu-ray combo (praise jeebus).

It will be interesting to see how they price the BR release, they learned early on that $200+ wasn't going to fly and they no longer have the dvd combo "feature" as an excuse to jack up the price. I'd also wish fans would take this as an opportunity to let CBS know if they're going to do it, do it right. Include the ORIGINAL unaltered episodes as well and I'd like it if they would put the new effects in 16x9, either included or separated from the episodes, as long as it's there.

Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs

Yeah I wouldn't really call it "small" either, but it's undoubtedly smaller. Trek has a rabid following by a certain amount of the population, that's probably outweighed by the casual following of FRIENDS and Seinfeld by a much larger group. But that fan dedication from trekkers is a big deciding factor in releases. Say season 2 of Voyager wasn't a big seller. It may have sold numbers that for another show wouldn't have justified doing further seasons, but because of the dependability of the fans purchases it takes away a certain amount of risk. (these are just theoretical examples to get my point across, I've no idea how well season 2 of Voyager sold).

About the 16x9 effects shots, all I've ever seen them say is that they composed for both, but all the shots from the remastered team posted on Trek.com and Trekmovie.com have always been in 16x9. Isn't that a clear indicator of what they prefer? Frankly I don't see how these shots would look better with alternate framing, are they simply chopping the sides off for the 4x3 versions? I've never seen comparison shots come to think of it. To me, even though it's a bit murky, it feels like an OAR situation and I'd just like to be able to see the material unedited is some fashion.





Nelson I'm not asking for 16x9 versions of the show (I wouldn't want that), just that they put the new effects shots on the disc somewhere, even as a separate feature. Though if they could branch separate versions of the shots in the shows I'd watch it that way. (with 4x3 original footage and 16x9 cgi shots, I know that would bother the hell out of a lot of people though lol)

EDIT; and if they included the original episodes in HD and unaltered new shots, they could charge me whatever the hell they like.

Originally Posted by Douglas Monce

The still shots you show here are a bit misleading in terms of the framing being designed for 16x9 or 4x3, because the ships are almost always moving toward or away from the camera. Eventually of course in shots like these the ship is going to more than fill the frame. It doesn't mean that it wasn't composed for 4x3.

Doug

Originally Posted by Ric Easton

I've always thought it would be geeky cool just to have a collage of assembled beauty/action shots of the remastered Enterprise set to music. Yes, I am a geek.

Originally Posted by Nelson Au

Here's a surprise new story, trekmovie.com is reporting that TVshowsonDVD is reporting that Star Trek Season 2 of the remastered Star Trek is still coming out, but as standard def DVD!

Release date is August 5, 2008. No other details. Here's the link to: Star Trek DVD news: Release Date for Star Trek - Season 2 (Remastered) on DVD | TVShowsOnDVD.com

No news for a Blu Ray version.

Originally Posted by ReggieW

Since S1 was released as a SD/HD-DVD combo release, I really don't see why they couldn't have finished S2 & S3 as combos as well.

Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs

Ah but therein lies the rub, what would be the point of combos in a world where HD-DVD's death has already occurred? You can't expect people to buy the DVD side of them when they know they won't be buying that HD-DVD player in the future anymore.

Originally Posted by Ric Easton

I've always thought it would be geeky cool just to have a collage of assembled beauty/action shots of the remastered Enterprise set to music. Yes, I am a geek.

Originally Posted by Nelson Au

Here's a surprise new story, trekmovie.com is reporting that TVshowsonDVD is reporting that Star Trek Season 2 of the remastered Star Trek is still coming out, but as standard def DVD!

No news for a Blu Ray version.

Originally Posted by Rachael B

Count me as one that thinks Blu-ray badly needs a BD/DVD hybrid. I'll never buy anymore Trek till it's in HD of some sort.

Originally Posted by Mike Williams

Ric, I'm with you 100% on that, geek or not. One of my favorite Star Trek moments, movie moments and score moments of all time is the very long tour of the outside of the Enterprise when Kirk sees it for the first time in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. I feel just the way Kirk felt everytime I see that scene. Everything about that scene, and especially the music, is Star Trek at its finest hour.

Originally Posted by Dave H

I will consider picking these up on BD one day - if the price is right. Count me in as one who is thankful combos don't exist on BD.

Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs

I just prefer the practicality of having a durable side to the disc.

Originally Posted by Rachael B

If there was a Blu hybrid disc, Trek production would proably shift to it relatively soon....? As it is stands, there's no market for Trek on Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by Jason_V

Rachael, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on nearly everything you said. How do you know there is no market for Trek product on Blu Ray? Are you going by the fact it hasn't been announced yet or are you using the HD DVD/DVD hybrid sales numbers for that conclusion? Would it not stand to reason that, in time for the new movie in May 2009, there would be a Blu Ray Trek product-whether it be TOS remastered or some of the movies?

[There wasn't much of a market for Trek on HD-DVD, thus the combi discs that anybody could buy]

I'll agree that is a chance; however, Paramount has never been shy about releasing Trek on home media before. Two versions of every movie. Three iterations of TOS. They know Trekkies will flock to the product. With the format war over, there is no confusion or consternation about which format to buy.

[The format war is far from over. From where I sit Toshiba is winning since they stille have DVD. There's not enough critical mass for Trekkies to flock yet but that's a good point! ]



What in the world does Sony being "in charge" have to do with anything? Unless you're referring to the subsidy Toshiba gave Paramount to release TOS-R on HD DVD, I don't get it. Sony doesn't dictate what Fox, MGM, Lionsgate or Warner releases.

{I'm always worried when Sony is the format leader.....my two favourite battle crys are "remember the Alamo" and " remember SACD" .....or insert another Sony fiasco of your choice.]

You yourself were just complaing about the pricing, now you want a dual format disc to increase the price even more? I don't get it. For the future prospects of hi def packaged media, I don't want to see a hybrid. Consumers need to drug kicking and screaming if need be to high def media. Giving them "good enough" (aka standard DVD) alongside Blu Ray isn't going to help.

[ Prices are rather arbitrary when you're talking about 5 inch, plastic-coated discs sold by gigantic media kompanies.]

Good god. Where has it been said Sony wants to get rid of recordable DVD? Where is Sony's $40 list discs (that's Fox, if memory serves)?

[OK, Sony's favourite new list price for new films is now $38.95 except for Walk Hard which is $43.95 . If you don't know that part of the reason to create HDMI cables and harder to record media in the form of Blu-ray, is a (proably feeble) attempt to slow down home recording, I don't know just what to tell you....??? Can you say Bee-Dee Plus? How 'bout files los grande? ]

Personally, as Dave H said, I'm thankful there aren't any Blu Ray combo discs. They're worthless in my book.

Originally Posted by Jason_V

Rachel, I was not intending to come across as sarcastic or anything else. All my comments were in all seriousness. You've offered no evidence that Paramount has no reason to get Trek on BD. A BD hybrid isn't even being rumored or talked about. And why should it? If the studios want high def media to latch on, why in the world would they include the standard form too?