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post #61 of 157
2/19/08 at 7:28am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

It sounds like Toshiba was licensing it rather than Paramount releasing it. I have the first season coming and I have no regrets about ordering it. It is a shame that it did not get through the second season at least. As to bluray, my attitude is simple, NO SALE. Not even for Star Trek.
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post #62 of 157
2/19/08 at 8:08am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

The "s1"-set has both "CBS DVD" and "Paramount Home Entertainment" logos. Haven´t seen "CBS DVD" listed before in the DVD/HD-releases (perhaps I´ve just missed something)..
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post #63 of 157
2/19/08 at 8:18am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Jari K
The "s1"-set has both "CBS DVD" and "Paramount Home Entertainment" logos. Haven´t seen "CBS DVD" listed before in the DVD/HD-releases (perhaps I´ve just missed something)..

CBS is technically a separate company from Paramount, the parent company being Viacom. Paramount Home Video is supposed to handle all theatrical films and CBS is supposed to handle the television library. Star Trek was their first HD title. This is one of the reasons that there was no announcement about Star Trek feature films on HD, they are handled by separate companies.

Doug
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post #64 of 157
2/19/08 at 8:59am
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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

The news that surprised me, as I had not seen it before, is that Toshiba was invested in the HD-DVD manufacturing of the Remastered Star Trek. So licensing, as mentioned above is probably the right way to describe it, as CBS was paying for the Remastering of the episodes for the 40th Anniversary and syndication broadcast.

This will be interesting to see how this falls out. I don't have an investment in whether it's HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. I do own S1 on HD-DVD. Either format will be fine, as long as we find out Star Trek TOS will finish it's release onto HDM! Since it's BD now, I hope S1 will be re-issued so all 3 seasons are consistant. As with all new technology, this is just part of the bumps along the road.
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post #65 of 157
2/19/08 at 9:04am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

I can't imagine CBS not reissuing the first season in BD. I mean, how many times was TOS issued on DVD? The original 40 volumes, then the season boxes... The HD DVD version is only one for HDM. There has to be another.
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post #66 of 157
2/19/08 at 10:00am
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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Jason_V
I can't imagine CBS not reissuing the first season in BD. I mean, how many times was TOS issued on DVD? The original 40 volumes, then the season boxes... The HD DVD version is only one for HDM. There has to be another.

Yes, just a matter of when. Don't forget laserdisc and videotape. I still have my LD's of Trek!
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post #67 of 157
2/19/08 at 10:45am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

I think there's a lot of confusion here because of a poorly worded article. Toshiba has nothing to do with Re-mastering Trek, this is being done entirely by CBS and they'll continue to do it and sell it into syndication as it has gotten great ratings. This was put in motion before both formats were even in place.

It would seem Toshiba, as far as we can tell from the news, was only paying for/ or actually performing the encoding of the episodes for their HD-DVD release, in an effort to promote their encoding technology.
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post #68 of 157
2/19/08 at 10:59am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Digital Bits report:

Also, we haven't confirmed this with the studio yet, but it seems likely: Format War Central is reporting that a Technicolor insider has informed them that work has stopped on CBS and Paramount's Star Trek: The Original Series Remastered - Season Two HD-DVD release. They're saying that Toshiba was financing the production as part of an exclusive arrangement to have the title on HD-DVD only, and they've now pulled the plug.

Very hard for me to beleive. I would have thought they are 98% done with this product being so close to release date. What is there to pull? Box art?
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post #69 of 157
2/19/08 at 11:15am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

Even if Toshiba was paying just the costs of putting it on HD-DVD (interactive features, encoding, packaging, and disc replication) that is still a lot of upfront money to try to recoup on sales of Bluray that CBS will now have to pay for. CBS has the advantage of hard sales numbers and price points to make a decision. Even if we give Bluray double the number of S1 sales over HD-DVD, is that enough to make a profit worthy of the effort or should they just hold off until later? The days of Sony and Toshiba subsidies are over and we are back to almost strict profit/loss/opportunity cost decision making on releases.
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post #70 of 157
2/19/08 at 11:23am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

I will wait until I hear something official on this from CBS. IF S2 is done, then I think they should go ahead and release it. Afterall, it is a combo release, so it can easily be stocked in the SD-DVD section as S1 was at some retail outlets. I personally think CBS might as well finish S2 & S3 since they double as the SD release anyway (unless CBS has plans of doing a SD only release down the road). The only thing is that CBS will have to drop the msrp by at least $50.00.

.....They'll also have to start releasing these sets on BD at some point in the future.
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post #71 of 157
2/19/08 at 11:55am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Doug Schiller
Very hard for me to beleive. I would have thought they are 98% done with this product being so close to release date. What is there to pull? Box art?

Actually we weren't close to the release date. The date had been pushed back from March 25th to "sometime this summer".

Doug
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post #72 of 157
2/19/08 at 11:58am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

On top of that, the release date of the prequel movie itself has been pushed back to summer 2009. Therefore, it could be quite a while before we see either Star Trek TOS S1 or 2 on Blu-ray Disc.
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post #73 of 157
2/19/08 at 12:13pm
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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
On top of that, the release date of the prequel movie itself has been pushed back to summer 2009. Therefore, it could be quite a while before we see either Star Trek TOS S1 or 2 on Blu-ray Disc.

By that reckoning, the new Star Trek film would be released on blu-ray in November of 2009 (I almost wrote HD-DVD!). This is based on what I've seen as a 6 month period after a film opens to when it's released on DVD. Though Transformers was released in July 3rd, if that's correct and was on DVD and HD-DVD in November, four months between film and HD-DVD. I guess time frames have shrunk.

So Star Trek 2009 could be on BD in September or October. And that could mean TOS S2 and S1 could be on BD at a similar time if they decide to tie the releases together to cross promote. And by that date, the Remastered Series will have completed it's syndication first run on broadcast. This is just conjecture on my part.
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post #74 of 157
2/19/08 at 12:36pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Actually we weren't close to the release date. The date had been pushed back from March 25th to "sometime this summer".

Doug
Considering that was done after the Warner announcement for all we know that was code for "HD-DVD is dead but we don't want to let the cat out of the bag just yet and we are not sinking another dollar into it."
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post #75 of 157
2/19/08 at 12:39pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
By that reckoning, the new Star Trek film would be released on blu-ray in November of 2009 (I almost wrote HD-DVD!). This is based on what I've seen as a 6 month period after a film opens to when it's released on DVD. Though Transformers was released in July 3rd, if that's correct and was on DVD and HD-DVD in November, four months between film and HD-DVD. I guess time frames have shrunk.

So Star Trek 2009 could be on BD in September or October. And that could mean TOS S2 and S1 could be on BD at a similar time if they decide to tie the releases together to cross promote. And by that date, the Remastered Series will have completed it's syndication first run on broadcast. This is just conjecture on my part.

I'd like to see them releasing season three on blu-ray by the time the movie comes out. I'm assuming they can find a way to adapt the interactive features to blu-ray's java format.

Doug
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post #76 of 157
2/19/08 at 12:40pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
Considering that was done after the Warner announcement for all we know that was code for "HD-DVD is dead but we don't want to let the cat out of the bag just yet and we are not sinking another dollar into it."

Possibly. But the encodes of the episodes themselves are probably already done and are usable on blu-ray as well as HD DVD, the issue is adapting the interactive features.

Doug
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post #77 of 157
2/19/08 at 12:53pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Possibly. But the encodes of the episodes themselves are probably already done and are usable on blu-ray as well as HD DVD, the issue is adapting the interactive features.
But we are now back to the question of who owns those encodes? Toshiba may have given CBS the money to get them to do the "killer app" so CBS owns them or Toshiba may have paid for the rights to produce it on HD-DVD and they may own the encodes.
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post #78 of 157
2/19/08 at 1:03pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
But we are now back to the question of who owns those encodes? Toshiba may have given CBS the money to get them to do the "killer app" so CBS owns them or Toshiba may have paid for the rights to produce it on HD-DVD and they may own the encodes.

I doubt that Toshiba owns them. More likely is that was one of those "incentives" that got Paramount to go HD DVD exclusive.

Doug
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post #79 of 157
2/19/08 at 1:08pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
But we are now back to the question of who owns those encodes? Toshiba may have given CBS the money to get them to do the "killer app" so CBS owns them or Toshiba may have paid for the rights to produce it on HD-DVD and they may own the encodes.

True. However, I can't imagine Toshiba not 'selling the rights' to those encodes to Blu-ray Disc should they own them. Afterall, they're pretty useless to Toshiba otherwise.
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post #80 of 157
2/19/08 at 1:21pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

I doubt that there are any "rights to the encodes" to speak of. If anything it would be in Toshiba's best interest for CBS to use the same encodes as it's a format neutral matter and they could still very well sell their kit or w/e it is for Blu-ray use.
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post #81 of 157
2/19/08 at 1:59pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

Hadn't heard that the new Trek movie was delayed until Summer of '09. When was that announced?
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post #82 of 157
2/19/08 at 2:30pm

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
Hadn't heard that the new Trek movie was delayed until Summer of '09. When was that announced?

2 or 3 weeks ago, I believe.

Doug
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post #83 of 157
2/19/08 at 2:30pm

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
Hadn't heard that the new Trek movie was delayed until Summer of '09. When was that announced?
Last week:
'Star Trek' pushed back to 2009 - Entertainment News, Film News, Media - Variety

EDIT: Doug beat me to it.
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post #84 of 157
2/19/08 at 3:13pm

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Originally Posted by TravisR

Yeah but you were closer on the actual time frame, and had documentation to back it up!

Doug
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post #85 of 157
2/29/08 at 11:08am
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Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

Nothing new to report on the future of Star Trek TOS on any HDM format.

However, the latest news on the Trekmovie site does go to say that Paramount has cancelled all HD-DVD products, with Into the Wild and Things We Lost releaes next week being the last.

Since CBS was distributing Star Trek TOS on HD-DVD, they may keep going, but it looks like there will be no more HD-DVD's of TOS as was reported that production of the second season was halted.

No news yet on Blu-Ray versions, but as already been said above, they probably will do it, but when is the question. Paramout has a lot of backlogged titles to play catch-up with onto Blu-Ray when they went HD exclusive.
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post #86 of 157
2/29/08 at 2:41pm

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Paramout has a lot of backlogged titles to play catch-up with onto Blu-Ray when they went HD exclusive.

errr........not really.
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post #87 of 157
2/29/08 at 6:00pm

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they probably will do it, but when is the question

Considering that Trek is almost an automatic seller, I'd guess sooner rather than later.
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post #88 of 157
3/1/08 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by Jim_K
errr........not really.

A fair enough reply! I hadn't really taken time to review if this is true, I was repeating what was reported on a Trek news site. Though it does sound like a reasonable comment given some of Paramount's blockbuster type films from recent summer releases could go Blu. And it really has no direct bearing on how CBS decides to release TV material.

I agree that Trek probably is an automatic seller, and as a big enough fan, I usually buy them in spite of cost. But I still see Star Trek as somewhat a limited market. As big a world wide property it is for Paramount CBS, I can't see it selling that big to the mainstream like Friends did. Am I wrong? So I can see it coming out on Blu pretty soon, I just don't see it as soon as this summer for example. Maybe this Holiday Season or Spring 2009 if they want to time it with the Abrams film.

I was thinking of the typical Star Trek material most assume are automatic High Definition transferable materials. TOS because it was on film, Star Trek Enterprise because it was shot in HD and the Star Trek films. But I never hear about the Animated Series, which I think is on film. I wonder if that one will benefit that much, maybe color and some detail.

A side note: I did see a recent Oprah about TV iconic characters with William Shatner as one guest and at the end of the interview, she said everyone in the audience will get a copy of Star Trek TOS Season One HD-DVD/DVD set. That's the ultimate mainstream venue to push HD!
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post #89 of 157
3/1/08 at 9:42am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

I was just disputing the statement that there were a lot of backlogged HD DVD exclusives to get out first. Transformers, Beowulf, Top Gun and Face/Off are all I can really think of, I'm probably forgetting a couple others but most likely because they weren't worth remembering.

I do agree with you that Trek season 1 probably won't be on BD until the new film comes out. It is a shame that production has stopped on Season 2 (which has most of my favorite episodes)
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post #90 of 157
3/1/08 at 11:15am

Re: Star Trek TOS Season 2 HD-DVD- March 25th tentative release

The question is, will CBS keep making the season 1 set, considering there is no SD only version? Right now HD DVD combo or nothing. Or will they press an SD only set?

Doug
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