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post #31 of 727
1/5/08 at 7:09pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

Wouldn't the Samsung BD-UP5000 be upgradeable to 2.0? It is already required to have an Ethernet port because it's mandatory for the HD DVD side of its abilities.

Doug
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post #32 of 727
1/5/08 at 7:32pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
No thanks I will never purchase a Sony gaming console.

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why is that?

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Same here. It frustrates me that the "flagship" of BR players is a game console.

again, why.

this is a great blu-ray player.

have you guys read every post in this topic?
some really strong arguments for the ps3 as a br device.
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post #33 of 727
1/5/08 at 7:40pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

Yes I have read every post and I still won't buy a Sony gaming console.

I'd rather see Sony electronics get off their asses a produce a stand alone player that is equal to the PS3.
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post #34 of 727
1/5/08 at 7:46pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Patrick_S
Yes I have read every post and I still won't buy a Sony gaming console.

I'd rather see Sony electronics get off their asses a produce a stand alone player that is equal to the PS3.


Yes but if they did that, it would cost more than the PS3. They sell it at a loss because of the gaming market, that's why its such a great value. There would be no motivation to sell a standalone player at a loss, and cheap players will never have the kind of advanced multimedia features the PS3 or an equivalent standalone unit bring to the table.

If your only problem is that you don't want to pay for the gaming aspect of the machine, trust me... you wont be. If your problem is somehow with Sony then I don't see why you would buy anything from them, cheap or not.
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post #35 of 727
1/5/08 at 7:58pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

I would like to add to this PS3 endorsement. One item I haven't seen mentioned as I skimmed the thread is that the PS3 is also the fastest of the BD players out there. I'm sure many have heard about loading screens for BD-Java on the standalone players. With the PS3, this screen comes up for all but a second and it is done.

I still find the "I wont' buy a game console' argument amusing. It isn't a game console unless you put a game in it. Otherwise it is a standalone with a very nice menu which you can bypass alltogether by having the system autoplay any disc you insert. Removing the PS3 as an option solely based on the fact that happens to also be a console is truely is your loss.
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post #36 of 727
1/5/08 at 8:03pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

I have a 40GB PS3 and was concerned by the reports by people about fan noise. My PS3 sits in the open, about 10-11ft from where we sit, and I have never heard it, just like any of my other components.

And while I love my D2 HD DVD player, I must admit to being delighted by how quick to load and responsive the PS3 is.

I bought it with the express intention of it probably being a movie player 95% of the time. I don't understand the prejudice about it being a game console - to me its a bloody good BD player!
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post #37 of 727
1/5/08 at 8:06pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
Yes but if they did that, it would cost more than the PS3. They sell it at a loss because of the gaming market, that's why its such a great value. There would be no motivation to sell a standalone player at a loss, and cheap players will never have the kind of advanced multimedia features the PS3 or an equivalent standalone unit bring to the table.

If your only problem is that you don't want to pay for the gaming aspect of the machine, trust me... you wont be. If your problem is somehow with Sony then I don't see why you would buy anything from them, cheap or not.
Please show me where I wrote cheap? All I want is a good stand alone player that has the Blu-Ray function set of 2.0. By the time there is a good software supply for 2.0 features (another item that I mentioned) I'm certain there will be several standalone units available.

As for the multimedia functions, I already have a device that does a better job so I don't need nor want another.
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post #38 of 727
1/5/08 at 8:11pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

ok but you havent said why you wouldnt buy this, other then it's "a gaming console" .
that isnt very good reason.
maybe you have reasons that are personal to you and thats fine but just because it plays games too, isnt a legitimate reason, my opinion.
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post #39 of 727
1/5/08 at 8:56pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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again, why.
Is it your view that every BR set top maker should just fold up their chairs and quit? I'm not interested in a curved box with no proper front display, no ability to be properly integrated into my rack, no analog outputs for advanced audio, and no ability to be controlled by my Pronto.

Clear now?
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post #40 of 727
1/5/08 at 9:01pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

I bought a Samsung 1400 over the PS3 for the following reasons:
1. Remote. I want my 880 on the table and that is all. Anything more, and the chances of my family operating everything goes down.
2. DTS. I like DTS, and I feel like this year will see a lot more movies with it.
3. Noise. Will not be able to tell about this until it is in my house.
Correct these issues, and I will revisit the PS3 because I hate this 1400.
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post #41 of 727
1/5/08 at 9:30pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by John Burton
I bought a Samsung 1400 over the PS3 for the following reasons:
1. Remote. I want my 880 on the table and that is all. Anything more, and the chances of my family operating everything goes down.
2. DTS. I like DTS, and I feel like this year will see a lot more movies with it.
3. Noise. Will not be able to tell about this until it is in my house.
Correct these issues, and I will revisit the PS3 because I hate this 1400.


Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done about the remote. SONY should have included an IR pick up on the machine. I doubt it would have cost more than a few cents per machine, considering how mature IR tech is.

Like D. Boulet has stated, DTS HD MA support is in the cards.

I don't understand the concerns about noise. I have the 60 gig model and the fan is virtually silent. For me, fan noise has not been a distraction at any time during playback. I'm surprised at how quiet the unit is, considering that people were concerned about overheating. That is another concern that I have yet to come across. I have had the unit on for hours and the case hardly gets warm.

I think the unit is a very good player, but I can understand why some people want a more traditional look (i.e. front panel display). I'm sure I will eventually buy a more traditional player, but for now the PS3 does a more than adequate job.
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post #42 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:24pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by TonyD
ok but you havent said why you wouldnt buy this, other then it's "a gaming console" .
that isnt very good reason.
maybe you have reasons that are personal to you and thats fine but just because it plays games too, isnt a legitimate reason, my opinion.
See Robert's and John's posts, they covered most of the reasons.
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post #43 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:31pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

PS3 is the best? See the DVD Benchmark testing results on regular DVD playback (there is no testing of the BluRay playback):

Failed:
Video Levels
Blacker-than-Black
3-2 Cadence, Film Flags
3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags
3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags
Film Mode High Detail
Video to Film Transition
Recovery Time

Passed:
Layer Change
Responsiveness
Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags
Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags
Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags
Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP
YC Delay
Sync Subtitle to Frames
3-2 Cadence, Video Flags
2-2 Cadence, Film Flags
Bad Edit
Incorrect Progressive Flags
Motion Adaptive

Compare that to, say, an Oppo DVD player which fails nothing, and it appears there is room for improvement. Since many people have extensive DVD collections a BluRay player needs to play DVDs back well too. The review notes "The PS2 was anything but impressive as a DVD player"
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post #44 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:40pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

Actually with a usb adapter you can control the PS3 with any normal IR universal remote. I don't know if they sell one by itself but this $13.99 3rd party remote comes with one that you could use and just throw the remote away I guess. Hopefully someone will step up and make a standalone adapter with the demand.

Amazon.com: PlayStation 3 Blu Wave Remote: Video Games

Will, I've read that PS3 dvd playback was originally very poor. They made significant upgrades to it through firmware updates over the last year. Sorry it wasn't mentioned, didn't seem relevant at the time.
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post #45 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:42pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Will_B
PS3 is the best? See the DVD Benchmark testing results on regular DVD playback (there is no testing of the BluRay playback):
They didn't date the article, so not sure on when they did the testing but it sounds like it was maybe early summer?

The PS3 engineers have been constantly updating the DVD playing aspect of the system. There was a great interview with the team working just on that part of the system. They were very excited with the progress they made and knew there was much to be improved upon. Best of all, that is exactly what they planned to do. I don't discredit that benchmark, but there have been a lot of updates since that article. It would be interesting to see them run the tests again. Personally, I've been very happy with the upscaling DVD results of the PS3, viewed on a 1080p LCD.

And this again reaffirms why the PS3 is currently one of the best consumer electronic devices out there. It is consistently receiving updates and improvements and will continue to do so over the course of its remaining ~7 year life.
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post #46 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:44pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Is it your view that every BR set top maker should just fold up their chairs and quit? I'm not interested in a curved box with no proper front display, no ability to be properly integrated into my rack, no analog outputs for advanced audio, and no ability to be controlled by my Pronto.

Clear now?

All valid reasons. What isn't clear is why you couldn't have said that in the first place instead of just complaining that it was a gaming console.
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post #47 of 727
1/5/08 at 10:52pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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What isn't clear is why you couldn't have said that in the first place instead of just complaining that it was a gaming console.
It's because it's a gaming console that all the things I said about it are true, but at Tony's insistence, I delineated a game console's weaknesses.
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post #48 of 727
1/5/08 at 11:53pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in to say I've had nothing but problem free experiences with my PS3 and is now the hub of my entertainment center. Hooked up to my Denon amp and HDTV, this baby has brought nothing but pleasure. Plays HDM, games, MP3's, now supports Divx, has DVD upscaling, and stores digital pictures - all in one machine. Need more memory? Just replace the HDD with a 120GB drive, that simple. Software upgrades are a breeze with the wifi connectability. And how cool it that "outer space" visual display?

Granted there are drawbacks - the lack of a IR remote (the bluetooth one is way too big) and the thing generates a lot of heat. It has froze during game playback (but I understand it's a game software issue), but no issues whatsoever with BR movie playback.

I usually avoid Sony equipment like the plague, but the PS3 was just too good to pass up. Like someone mentioned in an earlier post, the PS3 is like a Swiss Army Knife, you get everything you'd ever need in an entertainment hub.
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post #49 of 727
1/6/08 at 4:40am

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

I have nothing but good things to say about the PS3 as well. Quiet, quick, and it does a great job visually and sonically. All that and it plays games too.
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post #50 of 727
1/6/08 at 10:51am
Thread Starter 

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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No thanks I will never purchase a Sony gaming console.

I'll simply continue to use my current player and purchase a good stand alone 2.0 player after they shake the bugs out of it and there is plenty of software that takes advantage of the hardware.

That's why my post was directed to NEW Blu consumers... who don't already have a player and don't want to buy one that won't be fully compatible with profile 1.1 and 2.0.

Right now, the PS3 is the only available player on the market that will be 2.0 compliant, so a new consumer might want to consider it if they don't want to invest in a player that can't do 2.0. Obviously, this has nothing to do with someone who already has a BD player and can buy and enjoy movies already (that consumer can just upgrade to a 2.0 player if/when they feel like it later).
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post #51 of 727
1/6/08 at 11:24am

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Wouldn't the Samsung BD-UP5000 be upgradeable to 2.0? It is already required to have an Ethernet port because it's mandatory for the HD DVD side of its abilities.

I'm not sure. 2.0 requires Ethernet and 1Gb of memory. HD DVD and BD 1.1 require 256Mb of memory. I'm not sure if there is a USB or other type of memory slot on the Samsung to increase the memory. If there is one then there is a good chance that it will be eventually upgraded to 2.0. If there isn't then due to memory requirements it wouldn't be able to meet the standard. Even if it didn't meet 2.0 requirements there is a chance you would be able to use some 2.0 features.
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post #52 of 727
1/6/08 at 11:37am

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

If 2.0 compliance requires 1GB of memory how can the PS3 be updatable? I thought the PS3 only had 512MB of memory. Am I incorrect on that assumption? Does the PS3 contain a gig?
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post #53 of 727
1/6/08 at 11:38am

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
I'm not sure. 2.0 requires Ethernet and 1Gb of memory. HD DVD and BD 1.1 require 256Mb of memory. I'm not sure if there is a USB or other type of memory slot on the Samsung to increase the memory. If there is one then there is a good chance that it will be eventually upgraded to 2.0. If there isn't then due to memory requirements it wouldn't be able to meet the standard. Even if it didn't meet 2.0 requirements there is a chance you would be able to use some 2.0 features.

Well I was almost sold on the Samsung BD-UP5000 until I found out that it won't pillerbox 4x3 SD DVDs. I watch LOTS of old films on SD DVD so no sale there. The PS3 lacks multi channel analog audio connections so again no sale there.

I guess I'll keep limping along with my BD-P1000 for now until a proper stand alone player comes along.

Doug

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
If 2.0 compliance requires 1GB of memory how can the PS3 be updatable? I thought the PS3 only had 512MB of memory. Am I incorrect on that assumption? Does the PS3 contain a gig?

The hard drive can probably be used as virtual memory.

Doug
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post #54 of 727
1/6/08 at 11:51am

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

I think the hard disk takes care of it as well, however the memory doesn't have to be on-board. You can use memory sticks, usb drives, etc. as well as long as the player is equipped to read them.
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post #55 of 727
1/6/08 at 12:01pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Well I was almost sold on the Samsung BD-UP5000 until I found out that it won't pillerbox 4x3 SD DVDs. I watch LOTS of old films on SD DVD so no sale there. The PS3 lacks multi channel analog audio connections so again no sale there.

I guess I'll keep limping along with my BD-P1000 for now until a proper stand alone player comes along.

Doug



The hard drive can probably be used as virtual memory.

Doug

Ah! Never thought of that.

The PS3s lack of analog outs is a pain. I have thought about getting a pre-pro and using the amp section of my receiver, but unfortunately I'm just a little tapped out right now. Eventually, I hope to build a system of separates. I'm getting tired of throwing out a perfectly serviceable amplifier section because the receiver it resides in cannot be updated for new sound codecs.
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post #56 of 727
1/6/08 at 12:41pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Is it your view that every BR set top maker should just fold up their chairs and quit? I'm not interested in a curved box with no proper front display, no ability to be properly integrated into my rack, no analog outputs for advanced audio, and no ability to be controlled by my Pronto.

Clear now?
wow, grouchy.

thats all i was asking, is what reason besides, "it plays video games"

sure, it's curved, but in my shelf area with all the other stuff i dont even see the ps3's curves.
who said anyone making players should quit.
it sits on a shelf or rack just like any other player.
i'll give you analog outs, but hdmi into a receiver with hdmi will take care of that.

the remote is a problem for most people, not for me. i use a harmony for everything else, the ps3 remote for the ps3.

i dont know why my asking you questions and trying to find out what points on the ps3 you don't like bothered you so much, but you did bring it up.

when i talk to someone and they say, "oh, i dont like that" i usually say,
"why is that?" then when they say "because" i try to get a little more detailed answer.
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post #57 of 727
1/6/08 at 12:54pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by TonyD
wow, grouchy.

thats all i was asking, is what reason besides, "it plays video games"

sure, it's curved, but in my shelf area with all the other stuff i dont even see the ps3's curves.
who said anyone making players should quit.
it sits on a shelf or rack just like any other player.
i'll give you analog outs, but hdmi into a receiver with hdmi will take care of that.

the remote is a problem for most people, not for me. i use a harmony for everything else, the ps3 remote for the ps3.

i dont know why my asking you questions and trying to find out what points on the ps3 you don't like bothered you so much, but you did bring it up.

when i talk to someone and they say, "oh, i dont like that" i usually say,
"why is that?" then when they say "because" i try to get a little more detailed answer.

I have no plans to update my receiver any time soon so no analog out on the PS3 means no sale.

Doug
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post #58 of 727
1/6/08 at 1:27pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by John Kwong
Need more memory? Just replace the HDD with a 120GB drive, that simple.

Out of curiosity, have you done this? I have an 80GB PS3 and a spare SATA 120 GB laptop harddrive from a laptop I ruined a while back. I'm wondering if I can upgrade using this.

I'll echo the good comments about the PS3. I own both this and an XBOX 360 with HD DVD, and the PS3 is a huge step up in quality. The PS3 is one of the nicest pieces of gear I've owned. Its quality is up there with some old 70's Marantz gear I also own. Nice materials, well thought out and rock solid.

My only gripe is that it doesn't look great in my stereo rack, but I'm more than willing to make allowances for the huge upsides of the PS3. Oh, and it irritates me that it will turn on if I touch any button on my remote. Other than that, no complaints at all.
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post #59 of 727
1/6/08 at 2:30pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Well I was almost sold on the Samsung BD-UP5000 until I found out that it won't pillerbox 4x3 SD DVDs. I watch LOTS of old films on SD DVD so no sale there. The PS3 lacks multi channel analog audio connections so again no sale there.
This is a great point of concern that I hadn't even thought of. Can anyone offer any insight as to what the PS3 does?
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post #60 of 727
1/6/08 at 2:57pm

Re: New to Blu? Buy a PS3: the most featured BD hardware available...

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Originally Posted by Norman Matthews
This is a great point of concern that I hadn't even thought of. Can anyone offer any insight as to what the PS3 does?

My buddy who has one says that the PS3 will pillerbox upscaled 4x3 SD DVDs

Doug
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