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Originally Posted by Matt^Brown
Well I guess your parents never bought another Sony product again in their life. Haha!! Some of the comments on here are ridiculous.(That is not for you Dan) Toshiba has no duty to make your transition easy.
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| the winning side puts players on the market that are fully up to spec and don't require numerous firmware updates |
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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
Hey Steve I wish we could have players that did not require firmware updates or that they would not need them in the future. But the old days where you purchased a player and it worked no mater what title you put in it has long gone. The technology has gotten so complicated that firmware updates are here to stay. I however am glad that we can update the firmware so that operational problems can be fixed without taking to product in to a technician.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
Until BD achieves relative stability in playback of a high percentage of BD titles (without the need of applying updates on a per-title basis), the general public will pretty much just get fed up with having to update their BD players with a high percentage of new BD titles they pop into their BD players, and just stick with DVD players. As it is now, BD is "Not quite ready for prime time" across the board. If it were ready, firmware updates would be few and far between.
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| Don't know if any standalone BD unit will ever be affective against the newer re-authored lossless audio HD discs of 7.1 discrete channels and which are becoming more frequently released. 5.1 channels would be compatible with older analog-in receivers and old HDMI 5.1 PCM-in processors like the Lexicon MC12 HD that can use the PS3, but the re-authored discs will make them all incompatible.  |
| Essentially no money changed hands. The switch was apparently due to the following: 1) Sony, Fox, Disney were not even considering changing sides, regardless of 'payouts' being discussed; 2) All the studios, especially a couple were putting pressure on WB to make a choice to help end the stale mate so everyone (studios) could benefit; 3) The revenue from the BD sales far outweighed the HD-DVD sales for WB contrary to sales charts; 4) BD is seen as the revolutionary format with HD being seen as just an evolution with a shorter lifespan in the eyes of the BD studios; 5) consumers aren't buying into either format due to confusion; 6) the big one I'm told, because of #5, DVD sales as a result of #5 PLUS the recent 6 month trend of video games eating into DVD sales (and growing game sales, declining DVD sales) contributed to the decision to establish one format that consumers could graduate into rather than leave the studio with declining DVD sales, and no big next-gen (BD, HD) sales because of the consumer confusion and statemate of 'which one will win'. |
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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
With all the recent news there have been plenty of discussions all over the net about the competing formats. I'm shocked at the number of people outside of HTF who percieved HD-DVD a lesser format because of its name, exclaiming that its merely "upgraded dvd" while Blu-ray is truly next gen technology. If anything I always agreed it would be the other way around, with HD-DVD having an upper hand having "DVD" in it's name. go figure.
At any rate, it certainly isn't an uncommon perception, despite the two formats being largely identical. |
| Does that mean that starting tomorrow, all new future Blu-ray movie releases will implement the ICT flag? |
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Originally Posted by Watevah
I realize that any responses will be purely speculative in nature. Is anyone else in the same boat as me with component only inputs?
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Originally Posted by Zack Gibbs
With all the recent news there have been plenty of discussions all over the net about the competing formats. I'm shocked at the number of people outside of HTF who percieved HD-DVD a lesser format because of its name, exclaiming that its merely "upgraded dvd" while Blu-ray is truly next gen technology. If anything I always agreed it would be the other way around, with HD-DVD having an upper hand having "DVD" in it's name. go figure.
At any rate, it certainly isn't an uncommon perception, despite the two formats being largely identical. |
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Originally Posted by Yumbo
My fellow HD DVDers,
Let's band together As if it were St. Crispin's Day And ask ourselves if you had once chance, just one chance To fight BUY EVERY HD DVD release from here on out on release day, and NOT any BD (you can always buy it later), the studios and unconvinced spectators will witness... Freedom!!! Smiles. Just SOMETHING constructive. ps. have about 300 titles, 4 players, and 30 titles on the way...and intend to pick up more through May. Who's with me? |
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
..the general public will pretty much just get fed up with having to update their BD players with a high percentage of new BD titles they pop into their BD players, and just stick with DVD players..
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Originally Posted by Dan_Ohio
At this point I think the vendors need to say Movies in HD may not be available in the future next to the player. I would hate for more people to buy a player and think there is all this content coming in the future..
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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Listen....
I can't come out and tell you everything we are hearing because of obvious reasons and for the fact that anything can change. Also, we are not the definitive source of information here. While we have a lot of trust in the information we are receiving, there are always different versions from so-called "insiders" worth considering. Those who eventually get the story right most of the time are those you gain trust in. It's absolutely certain that Universal, Paramount and DreamWorks are talking with the BDA. They would be stupid not to. At the same time, Toshiba has been talking with the studios still committed to HD-DVD on how to move forward. Now I know Bill Hunt has just posted an announcement that essentially guarantees that Paramount, Universal and DreamWorks are extremely close to announcing they are going Blu-Ray. I have a general idea where he is getting his information from, but realize that we are operating off of a different channel. I'm not saying Bill is wrong, but right now we have received conflicting information. Toshiba is HIGHLY upbeat about moving forward with HD-DVD right now. So let's consider that for the moment there are now two sources telling you two different stories coming from opposite sides of the format spectrum. What that means to you, our readers, is that you should continue to keep an open mind. For the moment, you have The Digital Bits very high on these remaining studios going Blu. That may very well be the case according to his sources. However, we are sticking to our sources that are very optimistic that Toshiba and their remaining HD-DVD studios are going about business as usual. This is not a ploy by us to give you false information that would put HD-DVD in a favorable light. Truth of the matter be, we are rather disturbed that HD-DVD would think about moving forward in this manner, but if they do, I'm certain they weighed their options carefully. We will also continue to support their format in addition to Blu-Ray. |
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Originally Posted by BrandonH
there is a petition if your so inclined
Sign the Save HD-DVD! (Warner Brothers, The Consumer Has Not "Clearly" Chosen Blu-Ray) Petition |
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Originally Posted by Jari K
Firmware-updates are part of the HD-players and probably (in some ways at least) will be also in the future. I´m sure you know that Toshiba releases new firmware-updates also? It´s just part the business, since these players are almost like computers now in some degree.
I´m really happy that these new firmware updates are being released. Of course, not sure what the lazy average joe thinks about them.. I just read some comments that some people don´t want to buy "Pan's Labyrinth", since they "don´t want to read subtitles" ( ). So updating their players is probably just too much to ask.Well, there´s always that good-old DVD-player. Snif. |
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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
I have seen that very statement in THIS forum. That blu-ray is superior because HD DVD is based on outdated DVD tech.
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| The one area where Blu-Ray is TRULY next-gen, is the fact that it has much higher capacity per layer. |
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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
Less than a 2x improvement in density is not next generation. That is reserved for things that get on a order of magnitude (10x) improvment or at least several times the current system. If BD had 50 Gig per layer and all players had the ability to read 4+ layers out of the box then you could say it was next generation.
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Yeah, it'd still be borderline next gen by your definition, but ~5.5x seems close enough (ie. "or at least several times the current system"), no?
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