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post #811 of 1635
1/9/08 at 1:39am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Well, I don't know how I missed it at CES, but it looks like the Panasonic BD50 may give me what I want with respect to features. Now I'll wait to see how much it costs.

I´ll personally wait, until there´s 100% 1.1/2.0/etc player in the markets. Since I have PS3, I have time to wait. But I´ll get stand-alone player in the (near?) future..
post #812 of 1635
1/9/08 at 2:14am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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"Well... we've had SOME confirmation this morning of the details of the Financial Times story from last night. While the studio isn't yet commenting, reliable industry sources are telling us that Paramount is indeed preparing to end their HD-DVD support and announce a return to the Blu-ray fold. Details are currently being finalized, and an announcement is expected as soon as they're complete.

Meanwhile, sources are telling us that Universal has also been talking with the BDA, and is looking to follow Paramount and Warner's lead as soon as possible."
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I think many of you are going to be surprised how this really pans out!

Also, David, could you kindly stop rubbing the situation into everyone's faces.
We get it! We get it!
post #813 of 1635
1/9/08 at 2:32am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Well, I don't know how I missed it at CES, but it looks like the Panasonic BD50 may give me what I want with respect to features. Now I'll wait to see how much it costs.
I'm hearing $599.99 MSRP.
post #814 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:05am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

LOL at all those who think Comcast will ever be able to give you enough BW to download a movie.

I have Comcast. I am supposed to have 6 Mbit. Well, that might be true that it is capable of that, but only at 4 am. Normally I get a usable speed of at most 1 Mbit. And only in spurts. Primetime, I bet I am not even half of that.

I can"t even watch an On Demand show during prime time. I get an error saying that there is not enough BW. And this is to the cable box. Not internet.

Given this track record, I won't believe the 160 MBit speeds they are talking about until they can prove it to me. And even if they could get that speed. I would not want to watch a movie that is that compressed. If they end up looking as bad as the HD feeds they give me (compression artifacts etc.), then there is no way I would suport it.
post #815 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:10am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

It seems the Paramount situation is far from being packed in concrete:

Deadline Hollywood Daily » Blu-ray/HD-DVD War Almost Won Today

Mark
post #816 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:16am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

BTW, while everyone is concentrating on Paramount's plans, I think it is going to be UNIVERSAL that surprises everyone!

Mark
post #817 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:17am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

WARNING to everyone quoted below: Dial down the rhetoric, please.

M.


Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
Congratulations Sony for making politicians look honest. Congratulations for making used car salesmen look like angels. Congratulations for making the payola scandals of the 50's look like chicken feed. Remember, buy Sony products they need the cash to pay off all the kickbacks.

DVD FOREVER(that is if Sony doesn't offer kickbacks to get companies to drop dvd) and down with the evil empire called bluray.

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Pathetic. Both TOSHIBA and SONY are guilty of offering huge wads of cash to buy loyalty.
post #818 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:21am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I think many of you are going to be surprised how this really pans out!

With the way things have gone so far, I'm not sure anything can surprise me anymore.
post #819 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:21am

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"Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD DVD format,'' Brenda Ciccone, a spokeswoman for Paramount, told Bloomberg Financial News today.

I still think that is about the weakest statement ever. If Paramount really means it, they should be making statements a lot more bold than that.
post #820 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:28am

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Originally Posted by Scott-S
LOL at all those who think Comcast will ever be able to give you enough BW to download a movie.

I have Comcast. I am supposed to have 6 Mbit. Well, that might be true that it is capable of that, but only at 4 am. Normally I get a usable speed of at most 1 Mbit. And only in spurts. Primetime, I bet I am not even half of that.

I can"t even watch an On Demand show during prime time. I get an error saying that there is not enough BW. And this is to the cable box. Not internet.

Given this track record, I won't believe the 160 MBit speeds they are talking about until they can prove it to me. And even if they could get that speed. I would not want to watch a movie that is that compressed. If they end up looking as bad as the HD feeds they give me (compression artifacts etc.), then there is no way I would suport it.
Well I'm laughing at all those who think downloads are not going to become a major player. So I guess we are all laughing at each other.
post #821 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:49am

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It seems the Paramount situation is far from being packed in concrete:

As I stated, in regards to Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks --
you may be surprised!

I think too many people are jumping to conclusions that while
obvious, may not necessarily be correct.

As far as we are concerned, there is still a format war here despite
the fact some people think they hear the fat lady singing.
post #822 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:50am

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Oh, I believe downloading movies will be a major player. Heck, look at how many people seem to like MP3 files instead of CD quality audio.

Downloading movies will become popular for small handheld devices where the file can be compressed and you wont see the difference because of the small screens. Those who have Home theaters will never be able to just download a movie. There is a huge difference.

I can't stand the amount of compression I am seeing right now on the HD feeds through my cable box. I can see banding, pixelations etc. Any movie I would download would be as bad, or worse.
post #823 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:52am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I think many of you are going to be surprised how this really pans out!

You're making we worry the war isn't ending after all......
post #824 of 1635
1/9/08 at 6:56am

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Originally Posted by Nick Graham
You're making we worry the war isn't ending after all......

I agree. That would suck royally.
post #825 of 1635
1/9/08 at 7:04am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

I mean, even if Uni and Paramount stay on, it's still essentially over, but it's gonna take a while to bleed out. Hopefully the "surprise" is that they are going neutral as opposed to Blu only. That would be the fair thing for the HD only folks.

I'm holding off my Face/Off, Zodiac and Into The Wild purchases in case we're going to see delayed Blu-Ray releases of them with lossless audio.
post #826 of 1635
1/9/08 at 7:07am

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Originally Posted by Nick Graham
I mean, even if Uni and Paramount stay on, it's still essentially over, but it's gonna take a while to bleed out. Hopefully the "surprise" is that they are going neutral as opposed to Blu only. That would be the fair thing for the HD only folks.

Come on, Nick, when has this entire formast "war" been fair for anyone? It's not fair to the standard DVD folks that there are features on the high def discs and not on the regular. It wasn't fair to the Blu Ray owners when Paramount cancelled Blades of Glory, Face/Off and Transformers (among others). It's not fair to the HD owners when New Line cancelled Hairspray and Rush Hour 3. There is no "fair" in this.
post #827 of 1635
1/9/08 at 7:42am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Well if the public thinks or is told the war is over they will stop buying HD-DVD and the war will be over, and all the media Outlets are saying this, also if B&M's Like Best buy stops selling or greatly reduces HD-DVD's that will have the same effect
post #828 of 1635
1/9/08 at 7:56am

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I very much doubt Universal and Paramount would go neutral. I suspect Sony's demands will be to screw hd-dvd owners. If the companies balk, they will whip out their checkbook. By now they are probably as fast with their checkbook as a gunfighter is with a gun.
post #829 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:11am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Maybe the surprise is that Disney and Lionsgate are going over to HD-DVD!
Or maybe Universal and Paramount are going to drop HD support altogether (no HD, no BD).
post #830 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:20am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

I think the surprise is that Paramount and Uni will still stay with HD-DVD.

I may also see them dropping both formats and waiting for the market to mature, but this is doubtful, considering that the other studios are on the HD disc format bandwagon and it would mean a decreased revenue stream for Paramount and Uni to not be involved with HD in some capacity.
post #831 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:34am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
As I stated, in regards to Universal, Paramount and Dreamworks --
you may be surprised!

I think too many people are jumping to conclusions that while
obvious, may not necessarily be correct.

As far as we are concerned, there is still a format war here despite
the fact some people think they hear the fat lady singing.

ah all of them will jump to Blu-ray exclusive together ?

Marek
post #832 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:40am

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But the PS3 purchase all but guarentees that you'll have to upgrade your receiver to receive lossless audio channels/bitstreams via HDMI.

Patrick,

you're mistaken, it's actually the opposite: the PS3 *won't* bit-stream advanced audio to an outboard decoder... it will only decode internally and pass as PCM (over HDMI, as all multi-channel PCM is delviered). So you don't need a recevier with HDMI 1.3/advanced-audio decoding built-in. I bought one that *did* have that ability bcs I want to use my receiver and have that option with my future BD player that will bitstream advanced audio. For now, the PS3 doing the internal decoding will get me by.
post #833 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:41am

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Here's a scenario of mine that may not be as far-fetched as you think.

It is of my belief that both NBC Universal and Paramount are quietly pressuring Toshiba to begin a phase-out of the HD-DVD format. Expect an announcement by Toshiba by circa April 2008 that they will begin a phaseout of the HD-DVD format, and Toshiba will (using recently developed chipsets) sell a lower-cost combo player that is HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Profile 1.1 compliant as a transitional product until Toshiba starts manufacturing their own Blu-ray Profile 1.1 and 2.0 players starting late this year or early 2009.

With the format wars over, expect the price of players to drop steeply, and we could see stand-alone players drop under US$200 (Profile 1.1) and US$250 (Profile 2.0) by this time next year.
post #834 of 1635
1/9/08 at 8:43am

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I think many of you are going to be surprised how this really pans out!

After hearing of WB's shift to BD on the eve of CES, nothing could surprise me now!

Universal and Paramount may announce all kinds of "play tough" tactics in the short-term. If I were them, I'd certainly be doing all I could to get the best "deal" out of going BD as I could, even if it meant playing a few HD DVD cards in the meantime. I'll be more interested to see what's actually happening with those two studios in six months to a year (if they decide to hold onto HD DVD exclusivity).

No Blu insiders have told us that that Paramount or Uni were going to go blu at CES... so we've been expecting a protracted mini-war on that front for a least a short time frame. My real question is for how long that will last.

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It is of my belief that both NBC Universal and Paramount are quietly pressuring Toshiba to begin a phase-out of the HD-DVD format. Expect an announcement by Toshiba by circa April 2008 that they will begin a phaseout of the HD-DVD format, and Toshiba will (using recently developed chipsets) sell a lower-cost combo player that is HD-DVD and Blu-Ray Profile 1.1 compliant as a transitional product until Toshiba starts manufacturing their own Blu-ray Profile 1.1 and 2.0 players starting late this year or early 2009.

That would certainly allow Toshiba to save face and make the best of the situation versus the two hold-out studios embracing Blu first. Adding to that, I would expect a dual-format player from Toshiba to be full-BD spec (2.0) and deliver outstanding quality... it would be consistent with their HD DVD legacy.
post #835 of 1635
1/9/08 at 9:09am

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Adding to that, I would expect a dual-format player from Toshiba to be full-BD spec (2.0) and deliver outstanding quality... it would be consistent with their HD DVD legacy.

I don't think so; a combo player with full Profile 2.0 compliance will cost too much on the retail level--and only a small number of users demand the Internet connectivity of Profile 2.0 compliance.
post #836 of 1635
1/9/08 at 9:33am

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The only thing that would surprise me now is for a Blu exclusive studio to become neutral or HD-DVD exclusive. Everything else seems like just a matter of degree for the eventual demise of HD-DVD from nothing changes for Universal, Paramount, and DW to Toshiba announces tomorrow the HD-DVD is dead and they are pulling all their hardware from store shelves.

Hey, maybe Disney doesn't like Apple and is willing to give Microsoft the exclusive download contract they want so they will take the money and switch sides. Most of Disney's money is in constantly finding new ways to make money from their catalog titles, not in new titles, so maybe? Yeah, right.
post #837 of 1635
1/9/08 at 9:59am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I think many of you are going to be surprised how this really pans out!
Since you seem to be in on what's going on back stage, I am sure all of us would appreciate it if you could share atleast a bit more than these one line teasers. Hey even if it all does not turn out as reported, I am sure it would be more fun to read than all the wild suggestions floating around in the forums.
post #838 of 1635
1/9/08 at 10:05am

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Thinking more about it, from a cutthroat corporate mindset, I now fully believe that Toshiba/Paramount/Universal will play hardball.

If they come over to the BD side right away, well we all know Sony isn't the most magnanimous of corporate bodies, they may not get a great deal. It will be more like "yes, WB was the nail in the coffin, our format has won and you had to come crawling back to us, you'll take what we give you and like it." Okay, not quite that melodramatic, but you get the picture.

If they continue to fight for the short term, Sony will be put in a more desperate situation to try and end the war, and will be more likely to offer
to offer incentives to welcome them back into the fold.

I want this to end quickly too, but if I were in the boardroom of either Paramount or Universal, this is probably the tactic I'd espouse. I wouldn't do it too long, maybe a couple of months, depending on how quickly the BDA will move to entice you. Hold out too long and you risk really prolonging the war. There will be a point of diminishing returns on this tactic.
post #839 of 1635
1/9/08 at 11:08am

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Maybe Toshiba will start giving away FREE HD-DVD players?

That would quickly grow the potential market for discs and likely wouldn't be a bigger financial drain than all the cash they're throwing around to their "exclusive" studios.
post #840 of 1635
1/9/08 at 11:28am

Re: Breaking News!! Warner is soon to be Blu-Ray Exclusive!

I saw this article today;

Gamernode: News - Microsoft says Blu-ray for 360 is possible

I don't think it's anything worth discussing but I found the last quote hilarious, mind you this was spoken by a Microsoft representative;

"Until Toshiba goes out of business, this war is not over."

Lol, if I were Toshiba I'd be like "WHAT!, wtf Microsoft, shut up dude!"
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