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post #481 of 1635
1/6/08 at 6:09am

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Actually if you read cnets review I really agree with them. Both formats are dead sure Blu ray may last a little longer but the real future is movie downloads. Netflix is releasing a player at ces that lets you download movies right to your Television. They just need to figure out a way to get TrueHD sound and then we never have to buy a movie again just pay a monthly fee and have access to any movie we want.
post #482 of 1635
1/6/08 at 6:47am

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Originally Posted by woonkie
Actually if you read cnets review I really agree with them. Both formats are dead sure Blu ray may last a little longer but the real future is movie downloads. Netflix is releasing a player at ces that lets you download movies right to your Television. They just need to figure out a way to get TrueHD sound and then we never have to buy a movie again just pay a monthly fee and have access to any movie we want.

Damn! You just revealed the strategy of MS..

I guess I sell my movies tomorrow.




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post #483 of 1635
1/6/08 at 6:57am

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa
There's still not a Bluray Standalone I'd buy after all this time.

Dave i dont understand. I own the Sony BDS300 and its a wonderful machine. It plays beautifully, however i admit it is slow to load with JAVA discs. I keep my firmware updated, and that helps with load time. It does a wonderful job of upconverting my regular DVDs as well. Now you can buy the thing for under $300. Its a solid player! I would also own that new Panasonic. But why wouldnt you own a standalone, cause i know 2, one i own, that work great!
post #484 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:04am

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Originally Posted by woonkie
Actually if you read cnets review I really agree with them. Both formats are dead sure Blu ray may last a little longer but the real future is movie downloads. Netflix is releasing a player at ces that lets you download movies right to your Television. They just need to figure out a way to get TrueHD sound and then we never have to buy a movie again just pay a monthly fee and have access to any movie we want.

Riiiight. Any movie we want until they decide we have had it long enough. Any movie we want that the PC police will let us have. Any movie made within the last 5 years, cause i bet money they wont waste the storage space on anything black and white. Besides we already have a similar service...its called pay per view.
post #485 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:10am

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R
This is another reason I don't quite believe the claim that Warner would have "preferred" to go HD-DVD. If they're such a marketplace behemoth that they effectively end the format war by choosing Blu-ray, couldn't they have chosen HD-DVD and accomplished the same thing if that's what they really wanted (with or without Fox)? It sounds like Warner has the clout to swing this war either way. If they preferred HD-DVD, they were free to choose it.


I don't know if all of this "Fox was going HD DVD" stuff is true, but I do think that WB didn't want to be perceived as a spoiler in the way that Paramount was. With Fox at their side, they would look like the heroes who ended the format war. Without another major studio, they would look like another studio swayed by the evil M$ empire, and there would have been a stalemate.

I happen to think that WB could have ended this thing singlehandedly no matter which way they went, but they choose to go with the majority in order to bring true closure to the war. And, despite my love for HD DVD, I'm glad that they did. The HDM industry and Home Theater community couldn't withstand another year of bickering, while the mainstream consumer would have continued on in their confusion.
post #486 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:33am

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Ron,

I think it is now appropriate for the HTF to officially change their stance from a format neutral position to one which now officially recommends Blu-ray Disc to noobies looking for info on high definition discs.

Wouldn't that be helpful and appropriate now considering this major event?
post #487 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:33am

Re: BREAKING NEWS!! Warner Brothers is now Blu-ray Exclusive

By the way, here's a "wild guess" of mine: Toshiba will effectively "throw in the towel" by the middle of this summer and will offer a lower-cost combo player that will play Blu-Ray discs (under the Profile 1.1 spec) and HD-DVD discs at least for one year until everybody switches over to Blu-Ray discs.

In short, 2009 is the year that Blu-Ray emerges as the singular standard for high-definition discs, especially since Blu-Ray may eventually support 1080-line progressive scan 60 fields/second video once that becomes widely available (probably by 2010).
post #488 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:37am

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"Riiiight. Any movie we want until they decide we have had it long enough."

I agree. I have no interest in downloading movies.
post #489 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:39am

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Originally Posted by JonZ
"Riiiight. Any movie we want until they decide we have had it long enough."

I agree. I have no interest in downloading movies.
I loathe the idea of downloading movies but you guys need to check your tinfoil hats if you think that studios are going to take it away or somehow delete it after you've bought it.
post #490 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:41am

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
The other advantage which I feel people will begin to realize, is that pressing games on blu-ray discs with that much space available is going to allow for some very intense and longer games. I purchased Drake's Fortune and this game actually uses blu-ray technology and it beats into the ground anything Xbox has had to offer as far as quality and feeling like real-life.


You clearly have never played Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, available on both. I have, embarrassingly, nearly 200 hours on that game on Xbox 360.
post #491 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:45am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
With Warner, the Blu-ray group will control at least 75% of the home video market. IMO, it's all over except the shouting. Just take a look at the below linked data from Video Business. Even moreso, look at the prior years so you can see the trend of which studios control what percentage of the home video market.

2007 Q3 Market Research - Video Business

I am not saying that HD-DVD will survive I am just saying that I expect Toshiba to be Stubborn and probably try to drag it out as long as they can. I hope they do not as they will be blowing money on a losing battle. If they had gotten Warner then they stood a chance now that chance is gone.

Later Everyone
Brian
post #492 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:52am

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The funny thing about this movie download thing, is that on a PS3 forum a few months back where guys are obviously pro-BluRay and anti-MS - the vast majority of them liked the idea of downloading movies.
They all liked the idea of being able to turn on a device (PS3 or other) and download any song or movie they like and be able to enjoy it without having to go to the rental store or purchase it. They were anxiously awaiting the day this will become a reality. This is the generation we're dealing with - people who put high priority of convenience and instant gratification over quality.
post #493 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:56am

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I prefer to have a physical copy I can touch and take to a friends house and to collect. having bunch of files on a hard drive based system is not something I would like.

Later Everyone
Brian
post #494 of 1635
1/6/08 at 7:59am

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
The other advantage which I feel people will begin to realize, is that pressing games on blu-ray discs with that much space available is going to allow for some very intense and longer games.

This is an incorrect assumption. Right now when compared side by side for multiplatform games, the 360 usually comes away as looking better graphically. The 360 games are only available on DVD9, and almost every time they're well short of using the full capacity of that format. Blu-Ray will allow the developers to throw in cut-scenes and such, but it won't increase the length of the game. Just because there's more space available on the discs, developers can't increase their budget 2x to make the game longer. In fact there are some very short games on the PS3 right now, and most games on the PS3 aren't bigger than what a DVD9 can hold.

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I purchased Drake's Fortune and this game actually uses blu-ray technology and it beats into the ground anything Xbox has had to offer as far as quality and feeling like real-life.

You have to play some 360 games. It's not a coincidence that 360-exclusive games have been dominating Game Awards for 2007. It's not a coincidence that the 360 doubles the PS3 in regards to attach-rate of games. If you want a high amount of quality games, nothing beats the 360.
post #495 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:03am

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Originally Posted by woonkie
Actually if you read cnets review I really agree with them. Both formats are dead sure Blu ray may last a little longer but the real future is movie downloads. Netflix is releasing a player at ces that lets you download movies right to your Television. They just need to figure out a way to get TrueHD sound and then we never have to buy a movie again just pay a monthly fee and have access to any movie we want.

Never happen, they will push it to no end but at the end of the day, people want the media in their hands.
post #496 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:06am

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Downloading movies is NEVER going to work. There are very few homes that have the internet speed fast enough to make downloading an HD movie reasonable unless they are ok with ultra-compression. To download a Blu-Ray quality movie would require 50G. Have you every tried to download a 50G file?
That would take more than a few hours for most people.

The other thing is the only way studios would allow us to download a movie is if they can control it's use. This means the movie will only work for a certain amount of time, or only on the machine it is downloaded on. This is not "owning" a movie in my book. As soon as someone complains about a movie, they will push a button and your movie will be gone from your machine.

This downloading bull is simply a pie-in-the-sky idea right now. Until they can give everyone Giabit download speeds it will just be a dream.
post #497 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:08am

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Originally Posted by Chris S
If you want some sort of physical proof, I don't have it. Nobody does. The fact that so many people are hearing the exact same story, along with Ron's personal endorsement that these events transpired, is proof enough for me that it is legit.

So basically if you "hear the story" that makes you feel better you believe it and if it doesn't make you feel better then you don't.

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Originally Posted by Chris S

As for why they would swap sides... they would swap for the same reason any studio would. $$$ Money $$$

Sure money is a great incentive. Warner looked at the stalemate in the format war and the indifference shown by the majority of people toward HDM and decided in order to make a greater profit ($$$) they needed to sell more product and ending the format war was a way of doing that. So they looked at the numbers and saw that Blu Ray was leading in sales. They waited for the Xmas sale season to finish to verify what they had been seeing all year then made the decision to end the war by going Blu Ray.

As far as I'm concerned none of the so called "insiders" have any credibility. Until I hear it from an official source and by that I mean the CEO of WB then I prefer not to believe it or at least to be skeptical about it. It certainly doesn't gel with the press release from WB. Frankly it's not worth getting into a pissing match over. What's done is done. I'm sure those that got burned will use the story to make themselves feel better about what transpired none the less.

I do feel sorry for those that have decided to drop out of the HDM game now and go back to SD. You're going to be missing some great movies in HD.
post #498 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:12am

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Originally Posted by TravisR
I loathe the idea of downloading movies but you guys need to check your tinfoil hats if you think that studios are going to take it away or somehow delete it after you've bought it.
This is not a tinfoil-hat concern: it's already happened.

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post #499 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:15am

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Originally Posted by Scott-S
Downloading movies is NEVER going to work. There are very few homes that have the internet speed fast enough to make downloading an HD movie reasonable unless they are ok with ultra-compression. To download a Blu-Ray quality movie would require 50G. Have you every tried to download a 50G file?
That would take more than a few hours for most people.

The other thing is the only way studios would allow us to download a movie is if they can control it's use. This means the movie will only work for a certain amount of time, or only on the machine it is downloaded on. This is not "owning" a movie in my book. As soon as someone complains about a movie, they will push a button and your movie will be gone from your machine.

This downloading bull is simply a pie-in-the-sky idea right now. Until they can give everyone Gigabit download speeds it will just be a dream.


Agree 100%. Except the "a few hours" part. More like a few DAYS. No physical product, no artwork. Jeez for years we've been hearing people complaining because the DVD they just bought didn't even have an insert inside it you think they're gonna be happy with nothing but a file on their computer?
post #500 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:18am

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Ive already had a couple ... ahem "special interest" movies I "downloaded to own" crap out on me because of expired activation codes.

But the main reason I dont like downloading , as mentioned above, is becuase I prefer to have the physical media.
post #501 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:19am

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Originally Posted by Jose Martinez
Other than Toshiba, I think Microsoft will be dealt a big blow in this Hi-Def war because of their support of HD-DVD.
Jose,
I'm being totally serious, I would really like to read why you think Microsoft has or will be dealt a big blow.

Thanks
post #502 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:27am

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa
Still I'm somewhat depressed that the Format that the industry is choosing has for it's Best all around Player a Game machine. Admit it folks you feel the same way.

Not me.

I am extremely happy with my PS3. Though I have to admit that I bought it mainly because I am interested in it as a gaming machine first, BD player second.

F
post #503 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:28am

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Yes but the Japanese HD system was analog and had some serious drawbacks when compared to our digital system. (if your talking about the original HD system that was developed in japan) And Japan has had to switch from that analog system to a new digital HD system, our HD system.

Doug
It was just to show that they had HD long before we even heard of it here. And well before Digital HD or Analog HD was even offered here in the states Save for the very wealthy.
And to show how things may have been different if HD had been introduced to the USA at the same time as them.

Is digital 1080i better that analog 1080i probably but thats a whole different thread.
And obviously HDLD now a dead format and rightfully so due to its high price tag and enormous size.
Anyways its mute and I know that, just wanted to switch it up a bit.
Pioneer HLD-X9
post #504 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:30am

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Though I have to admit that I bought it mainly because I am interested in it as a gaming machine first, BD player second.
Which means nothing to someone like me who has no interest in gaming. I agree with Dave, I wish the format was not game machine-centric.
post #505 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:40am

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I have been buying mostly Blu when it came to Hi Def, And Even if this spells the end of HD-DVD, I'm still keeping my A2, it's a fantastic Upconverter. I've been using it mostly to watch Standard DVD disks on it rather than turn on the PS3, so it'll have a place in my Rack for Years to come.
post #506 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:44am

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As someone who has not bought either, but was damn close to going HD-DVD over christmas, I gotta say that I would feel betrayed/angry/stupid if I did end up going HD DVD. I'm not sure how the dealings went down, and even if WB didn't wait till after christmas on purpose, it IS going to look like that to the consumers. I wouldn't consider myself a J6P. I know a bit about HT. But when it came down to christmas time i wasn't really thinking much and went into J6P mode of "oo fancy new tv box for cheap must buy!" now I'd feel pretty bad myself if I bought into HD and then this was released. but imagine how confused J6P must be! Now I'm sure most non tech people don't even know this happened yet...but it'll get out soon enough when they start seeing the big store pushing BD, and then they'll be pissed. and pissing off the consumer is not going to help them open up their wallet for ANOTHER HD player when they were just told this new HD DVD thing was the way of the future.
anywho. all in all I'm glad futureshop sold out of HD DVD players before I could get my hands on one
cheers!
post #507 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:53am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Which means nothing to someone like me who has no interest in gaming. I agree with Dave, I wish the format was not game machine-centric.

Rick Had asked why I disliked Standalone Blu Ray Players. Well it's mostly because All the 1st and 2nd Generation Players had Issues and shortcomings. The BD300s from Sony you can read about all the issues that one has ON the AVS Forums. And Up until recently none of the machines carried the Final BD Spec to support Java and other features, yet the Manufactures sold them, without Ethernet on Many, knowing of how obsolete they would become. I Expect now that Blu will probably win the Standalones will get better and have the complete feature set profile.
post #508 of 1635
1/6/08 at 8:59am

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Originally Posted by Dave Scarpa
Rick Had asked why I disliked Standalone Blu Ray Players. Well it's mostly because All the 1st and 2nd Generation Players had Issues and shortcomings. The BD300s from Sony you can read about all the issues that one has ON the AVS Forums. And Up until recently none of the machines carried the Final BD Spec to support Java and other features, yet the Manufactures sold them, without Ethernet on Many, knowing of how obsolete they would become.
Again, I'm in complete agreement with you. It's been extremely frustrating to me that we've had to wait TWO FRICKING YEARS for the format to get the full feature set (it is very lame). I consider the "Buy the PS3" response to be rather pathetic.

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I Expect now that Blu will probably win the Standalones will get better and have the complete feature set profile.
I sure hope so. I'm REALLY tired of this "wait until next year for us to give you everything we touted" nonsense.
post #509 of 1635
1/6/08 at 9:14am

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I think it is now appropriate for the HTF to officially change their stance from a format neutral position to one which now officially recommends Blu-ray Disc to noobies looking for info on high definition discs.

Wouldn't that be helpful and appropriate now considering this major event?

I think that may happen sooner than later, but out of respect
for the HD-DVD camp I think we should wait another week or two
to see in what direction they choose to go.
post #510 of 1635
1/6/08 at 9:16am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford

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Furthermore, I'm very happy now for those HTF members that haven't even bought any type of HD/BR player, but really wanted to, but were afraid of investing in the losing format. Now, very soon, those members can see and hear what I've been experiencing for over the last 17 months or so. To me, it's always been about the movies, first and foremost. Most of us got into this very expensive hobby because we love movies and we have a deep desire to replicate the movie theater experience at home. With Blu-ray possibly winning this war in the near future, that stated desire can be achieve even moreso by many of us here.

...Hopefully, we can get back to that and move forward by adjusting our focus on enjoying even more films in high definition with advanced audio codecs. IMO, that's what is really important here.



Crawdaddy


Well said. In the end it should always be about the movies and not how they are delivered to the screen. I think all of us lose track of that sometimes. It's an easy thing to do with so much time and money invested in our systems.

Late spring/early summer is bringing a major renovation to my house in order to create a 'man cave' for my home theater. With it comes furniture, media storage and all new electronics, including my first big screen HDTV. I have spent a few months reading up on TV's, receivers, players, etc. and will continue to do so until I make the purchases. I REALLY look forward to getting back to watching movies.


I'll throw in my .02 cents regarding downloading. Won't happen in this household until I'm forced into it. I want the movie in my hands, not on a hard drive.
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