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Excellent point, Doug! We have noticed far more static and inaccurate information emanating from the Blu-ray camp than from the HD-DVD camp during this current "battle." That's no great secret and easily recognized by any impartial observer who frequents a number of home theater and media related websites. My own personal perception has been that the Blu-ray comments seem to tend to be far more confrontational and often involve personal attacks that really don't belong in any mature discussion. And I can't ascribe this to any correlation between gamers (PS3 owners) and age because I happen to be a 65 year old "gamer" myself!



Seriously, while HD-DVD supporters don't necessarily always behave themselves we find ourselves having to step in and correct erroneous and/or inappropriate content from the Blu-ray faction far more frequently. I guess that could be perceived as a bias but the astute reader clearly knows that it is not. We will continue to address inaccuracies from either camp as part of our neutral stance. We can't control what people say and where it comes from. We do have "rules" on this forum and that's why you won't generally see discussions here deteriorating because the owners chose to make this a moderated forum unlike many others out there. Members are invited into our "house" and they are expected to behave accordingly. It might not be for everyone, but it certainly expresses the sentiments of the vast majority of our members. I wish I had a dollar for every time someone (usually someone who has been ejected from the forum) complains about their rights and issues of "free speech." They forget that this is a private forum with rules and regulations.

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As much as I like lossless audio I'd rather not be flooded with double dips such as LW, Superman, etc this early in the game (there's plenty of time down the road). Personally I'd rather see some new to HDM films.

The Conan films are Universal so I doubt you'll see these come from Warner.

The Matrix trilogy & Batman Begins on BD seems a given (I'll probably end up double dipping on these given the way this war is leaning)

As for the rest of your list - Heat, Gone With The Wind, Singin In The Rain, Shawshank Redemption, Batman, Batman Returns, The Dirty Harry films, The Exorcist, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Amadeus, The Maltese Falcon I've read at various places are coming.

Other Warner titles not one your list that I read were in the works - L.A. Confidential, True Romance, Cool Hand Luke, Interview with the Vampire, King Kong (1933), Hammer horror set (Horror of Dracula, Curse of Frankenstein, The Mummy - maybe more).

We'll see how many of these actually make it out though.

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Hmmm...boy, I remember when Paramount went hd-dvd, I was downright laughed at, insulted, called a fool for going blu and for posting my disappointment at Paramount. I heard what an idiot I was supposed to be for going blu and now with Paramount gone, it's over for blu-ray. People have posted very insulting comments about me not having internet connectivity (2.0) or 1.1 (in the past), I have been called an idiot for paying over $250 for a blu-ray player, been told to f*** off on other forums when I say anything pro blu. And when I do post something that is a fact about blu-ray, like their much higher percentage of uncompressed soundtracks, I get slammed again with false facts. I have seen many hd-dvd fans say very incorrect facts about blu-ray and it's the same the other way around. I have seen hd-dvd defenders be just as rude as some blu-ray posters. Luckily I won't let my feeling get hurt by this war or anyone posting, but I am sure there are a few that do.
You said that you have had more insult to hd-dvd owners on this site, or that blu-ray backers posting more inaccurate information. I have to say it is so tiring to hear the "hahaha" about lack of 1.1, and now that it is changed, it turned to 2.0, and now that this is changing, it's come to price of players. There's always something. That goes for both sides. The one I am SO tired of hearing is that PS3 people don't buy movies. I have friends who bought the machine as a movie player, and there are many on the HD websites that have as well, yet I hear this statement every day from people who have never even looked at a PS3 even in the stores so they have no idea what a wonderful piece of electronics this machine really is. On other sites, and from what I have read on this one, from my eyes, the false information and the insult seems to be the same for each side.

I remember before the format war how much fun these forums were. We all were unified about the great movie releases, that's one of the reasons I want the war to end quickly. Now, when you post you take a huge risk of being balled out, even when posting facts.

Listen, everyone went into this knowing they had a 50% chance of their format going down. Blu-ray buyers, certainly all the early adopters, knew which features their player had and didn't have and anyone blaming anyone else that they can't play a feature today has no right blaming other for their own personal buying choices. The same goes for blaming Warner for their decision. Last week I took a few hours and looked at previous posts by people who are cursing Warner, and some of those people were doing the hahaha at blu-ray fans when Paramount went with hd-dvd. We all knew the risks. It's just a shame there are alot of people out there who cannot remain civil to those that made the opposite choice of what they made and respect their decision.

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I do. I've done it several times already and will continue if the content warrants it. CE3K is a prime example of that.

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Ooooops, I have no idea why I thought Conan was a WB title? I am going to edit out Conan off the list since it is a Universal title.


While I currently own both Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins on HD-DVD. I would still like to see these titles on Blu-ray. However since I do own the titles the only way I would repurchase them again on Blu-ray is if WB offered DTS-HD MA. Personally I have no need to own dual HD discs of the same title especially since WB uses DN on there Dolby tracks.


Adding King Kong (1933) and Interwiew With The Vampire to my list.


I am hoping that WB comes out with a well ballanced slate of HD titles this year. And continues to release there classics in HD. WB is one of the studios IMHO that is doing a good job releasing classics in HD.

Now if they would stop releasing low bitrate audio tracks and stop using DN I would be thrilled.

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I read on one of the websites in an interview with someone from Warner Home Video that they will be catching up now on those hd-dvd exclusives and he specifically mentioned Matrix set and Batman as coming very soon. I wish I could remember where this was.

I do strongly agree with you on the low bitrate tracks for Warner. They are still releasing titles with Dolby Digital 5.1 and nothing else. Some of the shams include Phantom of the Opera, The Lake House, and all of their classics like Battle of the Bulge and Superman: The Movie and the Donner Cut, which should have had one form of the 3 uncompressed tracks available (DTS Master, PCM or Dolby True). For the blu-ray studios, Warner is the only one doing this and I hope they change. Every Sony/Columbia, Disney, MGM, and Fox title I own has uncompressed audio, some even have a choice of 2 types like PCM and Dolby True. I feel there is no reason anymore to leave these off of discs. If they are taking the stance that the older classics would not see much benefit from adding lossless audio, they are making a big mistake. There are several titles I didn't even buy in hopes that they will add lossless to the next batch released. Take Superman Returns. The new version, which was included with the Pioneer player and Warner said would release wide when stock of the old Dolby Digital version runs out, has both PCM and Dolby True HD on it, but since stock of the old version is large, it's almost impossible to find yet.

I would love to finally see The Music Man, Auntie Mame, Ben Hur and some of their classic catalog come out. But I have to give Warner some credit for being the only studio to really dip in to the pre-1970 library. Finally Fox is releasing (so it has been said this last week) for father's day Sand Pebbles and Patton. That's a good start for Fox, though I would love to see the Rodgers and Hammerstein films and some of their musicals like Hello Dolly!, Star! and some of the Cinemascope films.

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I would love to see Forbidden Planet on Blu, along with The Invisible Boy as an extra.

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I've been reading threads on this forum from way before either format was introduced. I still to this day couldn't tell you which format Crawdaddy, RAF, or Ron prefers (if any of them even do). Cees has always preferred HD-DVD but I've never once seen him spread any falsehood or insult someone because of their support of Blu-Ray. The accusations posted earlier in this thread are baseless and laughable.

I read all those other boards, but this is the only one where a civil discussion can continue past the first few posts.

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Thank you, Jeff. Yes, you are right - Cees has, in the past, stated that he prefers HD-DVD and I forgot about that. But he had a good reason at the time. Living in Amsterdam, he greatly benefits from the Region Free aspect of HD-DVDs. But I do know that he fully supports the neutral stance taken by this forum and would never let personal preferences interfere with his duties as an administrator.

On an somewhat unrelated note, Cees joined me today in the "65 years old" club. Many happy returns!

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But have you ever been told that on THIS forum?

Some posts might rub someone the wrong way but I think things have been very civil around here.

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WB has always made theatrical releases combos and catalog releases non-combo. I would anticipate that this would continue to be the case, but your guess is as good as mine...

While Cees may or may not have a preference (I haven't read that post) I will say that I know he has player(s) form both formats and a large library movies from both formats. Like most of the other members here, even if he has a preference, at the end of the day it is still about the movies. If a good movie is BD only, Cees would have no problem with buying and enjoying that film.

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I have to agree, that the mods have been pretty much civilized and definitely more like "format neutral" in HTF. I´m not fully sure that how anti-blu or anti-red the MODS have been in the other forums, but there are some forums that are more anti-blu and mods seems to accept this. Due that (mods don´t really interfere), those forums are now "safe havens" for war-talk and format dissing. Now of course both "fanboys" are the blame here, but in HTF the more "strict" attitude towards war-talk/format dissing have kept things more civilized (and in the long run, more fun).

After all, sometimes it´s wise to shut up. I mean I remember the fan-boying in some forums after the Paramount-deal, but now those same persons probably feel a bit stupid after the Warner-deal. And wise versa. Since anything can happen in this war, it´s probably best to keep the doors open in both directions. It´s about the films at the end of the day.. I prefer being "movie buff", not "format fan boy". The people in the latter category will be quickly forgetten when this war is "over" some day.


Seems that way.

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The only thing that bothers me is that sometimes I get the feeling that it is "open season" on PS3 owners around here. Some of the posts I have read are borderline insulting, basically insinuating that PS3 owners are some vast homogenous group of adolescents whose interest in movies doesn't extend past the latest blockbuster. I hardly see anyone getting hammered for basically insulting PS3 owners or even worse, PS3 owners who are also gamers.

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More food for thought.....

Is This The End For Blu-Ray? | Scientific Blogging

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Sadly, you may have a point there. I´ve read some clear anti-PS3 propaganda a few times and many times these strange "I just hate Sony - that´s why"-type of comments. They surely don´t belong to the HD-discussion, since after all we (in HTF and its HD-forums) are the ones that are actually watching these HD-films and enjoy them. Not a single one of us deserve to be dissed just because some other person doesn´t like his "player" (whether it´s PS3 or whatever).

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And I've seen the other way too. If I don't want a PS3, then something is wrong since it's "the ultimate entertainment machine.

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But you just described RAF to a 'T'

In all seriousness I think you may have a point with this. I think that is a valid description of a subset of PS3 owners, but there are plenty of people that bought it for its BD abilities and love film, and some people that love film, but like gaming too. It's as multifaceted as its users and it is a mistake to use an enveloping stereotype to describe its demographic.

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Well, that is an interesting article. I don't agree with its conclusions, but it is interesting to read.

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Hank may have some valid points, but not sure is this such a good post after all..

1) "HD-DVD is half the cost of Blu-ray and every player sold comes with an ethernet port to do upgrades because Toshiba focused on functionality, not the experience"

At least my PS3 have ethernet port and probably many other Blu-ray-players too.. (not sure about all of them?).

2) "The most ridiculous, faith-based nonsensical thing I have read or heard on this subject has been that the Warner Bros. move to Blu-ray somehow tilts the battle away from HD-DVD. Nothing could be further from financial reality."

Hmm. Universal and Paramount vs the others? I would say that the balance now favours Blu-ray.

3) "Most movie studios are behind Blu-ray but Toshiba alone has sold 50% of the HD players."

Well, he forgets that the PS3-sales are not included.

It´s good that we have these different opinions, but I can´t agree with this writer. Sure, the war is not over yet, but still..

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..but it´s.

Seriously, you have a point also there. Both "I love my PS3" and "I hate Sony" people should probably chill down a bit. After all, PS3 is just one option among the many (well, at least "several").

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I will admit that I paid $27 for CE3K, But i think thats the most I've ever paid for HDM. Probably 90% of what I have bought was at $19.95, and I have never used a BOGO sale, mainly because they didn't have any films that I wanted.

Doug

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I think the only time I have seen the PS3 being picked on is when someone who has bought an incomplete stand alone is made to feel like they SHOULD have bought a PS3 and whats wrong with them for having made the wrong choice. We should all just go out and buy a PS3 and stop complaining about the short comings of blu-ray.

There are a fair number of us that simply don't want a game system for our media players and we get a little tired of the PS3 being shoved down our throats as the solution to everyone's blu-ray problems. I'm quite sure that the PS3 is a fine blu-ray player and it has many advantages, but for some of us it just doesn't fit the bill.

Doug

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agreed, the PS3 owners take the most pounding, why I will never know. People need to realize that stand-alone players are not the only way of viewing physical disc entertainment anymore, things are changing.

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As far as I know the PS3 is the only blu-ray player with an ethernet port. As far as stand alone players to I believe that only the 2.0 players with have ethernet ports.

Doug

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No I have never been told that on this forum. I said that on other sites, some of those things happen often and many times a few of the moderators are included, as I said, on one HD site in paticular (not the Bits). I think you can figure out which one.

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I've stopped going to forums on many other sites because of the childish nature of the discussions. I only go to High Def Digest now for the news.

Doug

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I have a son who is a HUGE gamer...so a PS3 would make a lot of sense here. No bias that way from moi.

Personally, I prefer my Tosh player. and some of the mods here may have a preference one over the other and state that. All that is fair. You can have a reporter, let's say...who leans one way or another on an issue. And that is something well known. But in reporting facts...can have a dead on reporting of things.

Just because one favors something, there is no reason to think they can not be objective. Especially if they are mature and measured in what they state.

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Ah, ok. Then I understand that comment a bit better.

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A surprising number of 1.1 players announced at CES will have ethernet ports for FW upgrades only (no BD live abilities).

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I just posted this in the "Wal-Mart/HD" thread.

A visit to my local Wal-Mart today revealed that the store had eliminated it's once-prominent endcap at the entrance to the media section that had been divvied-up half between HD-DVD and Blu-ray.

The endcap now duplicates another endcap buried in the section with discounted TV season sets (Andy Griffith for $19.96, for example.).

All the HD media is back to being stuck behind locked glass in a different endcap in the gaming area buried within the section.

And...ALL the HD-DVDs were gone. Blu-ray only now.

I, unfortunately, did not get a chance to check out the store's hardware situation.

Anyone else seen anything similar at their W-M?