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post #1351 of 1635

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The fact is that it is the Day/Date New titles that make up the bulk of HDM sales. Thus keeping that in mind and looking at the release numbers for the first quarter '08, things are only going to get worse for HD-DVD.

January - March '08Blu-RayHD-DVDSt. DateWarnerNeilsenNPD
Day/Date New Titles37801-02-0830001-06-0865%35%01-05-0851%49%
Exclusive36701-08-0831001-13-0885%15%01-12-0893%7%
01-15-08200
BBC0001-22-08200
Disney201-29-08310
Dreamworks202-05-08510
First Look1102-12-08400
Fox302-19-08211
HBO002-26-08211
Image1003-04-08121
Lionsgate403-11-08712
MGM003-18-08202
Miramax303-25-08100
New Line23787
Paramount2
Sony10
Touchstone1
Universal3
Warner10
Weinstein0


For title and release date details --> http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...1-post772.html
post #1352 of 1635

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Very astute observation Sanjay!
post #1353 of 1635

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Originally Posted by ppltd
Not sure if your analyses is correct. Has the BD sales increased for the week (doubtful), or the HD DVD sales just dropped off (more likely). I believe that is a major difference. I doubt that the Warner announcement has increased BD sales, more likely it just brought a halt to HD DVD sales. Unless the Warner change increases actual BD hardware sales (discounting the PS3 sales because of it's low attach rate) the impact will be to have killed of the HD DVD sales with negligible gain in BD sales.
I am not sure how my analysis could be wrong, since my post does not include any analysis by me to begin with. My post, states only actual facts and figures. A 85% share for Blu-Ray means a 15% share for HD-DVD. These figures clearly show that the sales gap between the two formats has widened. Whether it is due to higher sales of Blu-Ray or lower sales of HD-DVD or maybe even a combination of both, cannot be determined unless more data was available for a detailed analysis.
post #1354 of 1635

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Whether it is due to higher sales of Blu-Ray or lower sales of HD-DVD or maybe even a combination of both, cannot be determined unless more data was available for a detailed analysis.

Looking at the raw numbers it was a combination of both.
post #1355 of 1635

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Originally Posted by ppltd
Not sure if your analyses is correct. Has the BD sales increased for the week (doubtful), or the HD DVD sales just dropped off (more likely). I believe that is a major difference. I doubt that the Warner announcement has increased BD sales, more likely it just brought a halt to HD DVD sales.
If the YTD numbers are to be believed, there was a drop in overall volume, but an increase in Blu-ray volume. So that would mean both scenarios you outlined happened. Not good news for HD DVD...
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Unless the Warner change increases actual BD hardware sales (discounting the PS3 sales because of it's low attach rate) the impact will be to have killed of the HD DVD sales with negligible gain in BD sales.
BD hardware sales (excluding the PS3) had already increased before the holidays, and have done so well as to win the month of December.
post #1356 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
If the YTD numbers are to be believed, there was a drop in overall volume, but an increase in Blu-ray volume. So that would mean both scenarios you outlined happened. Not good news for HD DVD...

Overall sales for HDM were down about 18% from the previous week, but BD sales were up about 7%. So the drop off in sales from the previous week had slightly more to do with a decrease in HD-DVD sales than an increase in BD sales. I'm pretty sure that returns are counted as negative sales, so perhaps that also put a dent in the HD-DVD number.
post #1357 of 1635

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ps. The Invasion HD DVD just shipped for me. I'm sure others should have received already.
Received KING OF CALIFORNIA this week.
post #1358 of 1635

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I would like to ask a question. We all know that hd-dvd touted much lower production costs since they can be made on dvd lines. Can anyone please tell me, then, why hd-dvd movies are still priced the same as Blu-ray movies? Here is another huge mistake for the hd-dvd. People who can only afford a sub-200.00 player or a $98 player cannot afford to spend 30.00 for a single movie when building any kind of library. The marketing made absolutely no sense!
post #1359 of 1635

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... to spend 30.00 for a single movie

I never once paid more than $19.99 for any of my HD DVDs. Anyone paying $30 for HD DVDs or Blu-ray isn't looking very hard.
post #1360 of 1635

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
I would like to ask a question. We all know that hd-dvd touted much lower production costs since they can be made on dvd lines. Can anyone please tell me, then, why hd-dvd movies are still priced the same as Blu-ray movies? Here is another huge mistake for the hd-dvd. People who can only afford a sub-200.00 player or a $98 player cannot afford to spend 30.00 for a single movie when building any kind of library. The marketing made absolutely no sense!

HD-DVD movies are priced the same as Blu-ray movies not because HD-DVD is being greedy and jacking up HD prices. It's actually the other way around. Blu-ray movies have been much more expensive to produce and SONY has subsidized the cost of every Blu-ray title to keep the prices competitive with HD-DVD. The price of a Blu-ray disc has been artificially lowered by this subsidy. There's nothing wrong with this because as others have stated, "Everything is fair in love and war." If Blu-ray discs had come out at, say, $20 more per title than HD-DVD versions then the Blu format would have never even gotten off the ground. Plain and simple. It has absolutely nothing to do with a "mistake" on the part of HD-DVD. And I also agree that if one is paying $30 for any HDM they aren't researching prices out there. I've actually paid as little as $3 for some Blu-ray titles thanks to some BOGO Amazon sales coupled with their 30 day price guarantee and some loose interpretations regarding their sales policies. No, I don't expect $3 titles to become the norm, but I also don't expect HDM ever to be as pricey as my LDs used to be.

The only irony in this whole scenario is that some zealots are miffed by supposed payoffs to Paramount while at the same time ignoring the Blu-ray disc subsidy and vehemently denying that any money (in whatever form it took) changed hands in the Warner deal. Now that's funny.


post #1361 of 1635

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I own 30 Blu-ray discs now. I didnt pay full retail for ANY of them. Like RAF said those BOGO sales were a great deal. It worked out for me as little as $10 a title. Some of which i already had on DVD, so shoot why not double dip for 10 bucks. I wont pay full retail for any disc, Blu-ray or not. I still buy DVDs from Best Buy for $5 or less a pop.
post #1362 of 1635

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Originally Posted by RAF
The only irony in this whole scenario is that some zealots are miffed by supposed payoffs to Paramount while at the same time ignoring the Blu-ray disc subsidy and vehemently denying that any money (in whatever form it took) changed hands in the Warner deal. Now that's funny.



That cuts the other way too. There are plenty of zealots that think there is no problem with Paramount taking a pay out to go exclusive but are now angry and feeling "betrayed" because Warner did the same thing in choosing to go Blu. I think that is really funny too.
post #1363 of 1635

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If you think they are losing money on BluRay media, yer crazy. =)
post #1364 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
That cuts the other way too. There are plenty of zealots that think there is no problem with Paramount taking a pay out to go exclusive but are now angry and feeling "betrayed" because Warner did the same thing in choosing to go Blu. I think that is really funny too.
As RAF stated in that same edited post you quoted, "everything is fair in love and war". Furthermore, I find the behavior of many of the zealots from both sides of the fence rather funny in their thought processes.





Crawdaddy
post #1365 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
As RAF stated in that same edited post you quoted, "everything is fair in love and war". Furthermore, I find the behavior of many of the zealots from both sides of the fence rather funny in their thought processes.

Crawdaddy

I don't disagree with that. People and organizations will do whatever it takes to ensure victory in a war, even one as inconsequential as a video war. I, personally, did not have any particular problem with Paramount taking the money and going exclusive with HD DVD. They made a decision that they felt was in their best financial interest at the time. In fact, I consider that Paramount got the best of the deal, because their support of HD DVD has been at best lukewarm.

Their exact analogue on the Blu-ray side lies in Fox. Fox was able to squeeze another 120 million out of the BDA, in addition to whatever they were initially paid, to remain Blu-ray exclusive, even though their actual support of the format has been virtually worthless. The only thing that saves Fox is that whatever they have released has come with lossless tracks. Paramount couldn't even be bothered to do that for their releases on HD DVD.

The unfortunate thing is that Warner, the one studio to really support both formats with a regular slate of releases, comes off looking like the bad guy because economic and financial considerations caused them to finally make a decision to support one format.

Economically, releasing on HD cannot be a big money maker for them at present and the costs of continuing to produce identical releases for two formats has got to be costing them a lot of money. Somebody in the organization had to have been putting pressure on to cut out some of the costs by going single format only.

Financially, it just makes sense to go with whoever offers the bigger number. I mean, given that the BDA offered 500 million and HD DVD offered some lesser amount, how long would any of the management at Warner still be working if they had decided to take, for example, 100 million dollars less just because they preferred the format? All I can say is the exit door would be hitting them on their butts before the ink had dried on the cheque.

AFAIAC, out of all of these studios Warner has, by far, done the best job in supporting these formats by actually releasing product. Sure a lot of their releases were missing lossless tracks on BD, but at least they were actually putting out good number of releases. The other studios in this whole debacle have been nowhere near as good as Warner when it comes to actually supporting HDM with releases.

They finally had to make a decision to jump one way. One side offered more than the other. They would have been crazy to not take the money. To not take it would have been career suicide, not to mention all of the angry shareholders that would have resulted.
post #1366 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
As RAF stated in that same edited post you quoted, "everything is fair in love and war". Furthermore, I find the behavior of many of the zealots from both sides of the fence rather funny in their thought processes.

Crawdaddy

I find the the behavior and thought processes of this forum's administrators even funnier. Especially, the pretense of impartiality.
post #1367 of 1635

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Edwin, thats a nice post!
post #1368 of 1635

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Originally Posted by PeterMano
I find the the behavior and thought processes of this forum's administrators even funnier. Especially, the pretense of impartiality.
If you're going to make accusations against this forum's administrators then be clear enough to name which administratros you're talking about.




Crawdaddy
post #1369 of 1635

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Originally Posted by PeterMano
I find the the behavior and thought processes of this forum's administrators even funnier. Especially, the pretense of impartiality.

Agreed!
post #1370 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Lil' Louie
Agreed!
The same applies to you, name these administrators.
post #1371 of 1635

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If you're going to make accusations against this forum's administrators then be clear enough to name which administratros you're talking about.

I have to agree with Robert on this one! Even though I am just a regular member I do not think it is right to make accusations and then leave out the persons name, whom you are disagreing with. I personally feel that the administrators here are very open minded and do there best to run this forum the best way they know how.
post #1372 of 1635

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I think I've pretty much guaranteed a Blu-ray victory in the format war. I officialy went purple today and ordered an A30 from Amazon to supplement my PS3. Universal and Paramount/Dreamworks should announce Blu-ray exclusivity on Monday, effective immediately!

Seriously though, if Universal and Paramount are going to hold out, I'm not going to deprive myself of any more HDM by waiting...
post #1373 of 1635

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
I have to agree with Robert on this one! Even though I am just a regular member I do not think it is right to make accusations and then leave out the persons name, whom you are disagreing with. I personally feel that the administrators here are very open minded and do there best to run this forum the best way they know how.

Thank you Dave. A blanket "J'accuse!" is, as far as I'm concerned, the type of remark that doesn't really deserve an answer here without any supporting facts. It's easy to accuse people when protected by the anonymity of a computer keyboard. But leaving out names completely lacks any credibility as far as I'm concerned. Since Robert and I are two of the more vocal moderators in this thread it would be easy to assume that those comments were directed at one of us even though the "accuser" clearly hasn't being paying attention. Let me spell it out for those sitting on the sidelines. Both of us own at least 5 HD players (both formats) and we each have well over 100 titles in each format. My HDM total just surpassed 300 titles a while back, split almost 50/50 between each camp, and I believe Robert's collection closely approximates this too. We both enjoy movies and have good words and bad words for both formats - HW and SW. If we were "partial" to one format that would be clearly shown in our choice of players and media. Neither of us would have invested so much money in any format if we were "partial" to the other one. That just doesn't make any sense on any level. And if the person who made those remarks about partiality wasn't referring to either of us then he or she should name names since I don't know any moderator on this forum who has shown any indication of a preference for one format over the other.

We find the ridiculous claims made by both camps ironic and we base our neutral stance on actual intensive experience with both formats, not just hearsay and some fanatical alliegance to a format. I made exactly this point several pages back when I mentioned that I'm often faced with heated dialogue with a person or two who holds a very strong opinion of something based entirely on third hand information. I still maintain that a person who talks the talk should at least walk the walk before opening their mouth for any extended time on any subject. The Internet is strewn with forums where venom is spewed on a regular basis and we pride ourselves on remaining above such antics. And we appreciate the fact that most of our members also act in a respectful fashion.

Unsubstantiated, generalized remarks do not belong here. They serve no purpose other than to lower the discussion to a level that is not welcome here at the HTF. If any member has a problem with any moderator here you are always free to take this up with the owners. We welcome that.

'Nuff said.
post #1374 of 1635

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Originally Posted by RAF
Let me spell it out for those sitting on the sidelines. Both of us own at least 5 HD players (both formats) and we each have well over 100 titles in each format. My HDM total just surpassed 300 titles a while back, split almost 50/50 between each camp, and I believe Robert's collection closely approximates this too. We both enjoy movies and have good words and bad words for both formats - HW and SW. If we were "partial" to one format that would be clearly shown in our choice of players and media. Neither of us would have invested so much money in any format if we were "partial" to the other one.

That's a good point. I have not seen in any posts any HTF member take a side. Of course I havn't read every post but I have read many. I think the HTF has taken the most neutral stance of any web site. Over at another well-known HD site (no, not the Bits), some of their administers and staff have certainly taken a side and I respect the fact this site has not. I've enjoyed visiting the site because I knew that nobody running the site would offend me and my decision to go blu last year.

I've been a member here for years now, and while I have chosen Blu-ray from the start, it was mainly due to the on-going supply of movies that I really wanted, most of them were blu-ray titles. I could not find enough titles to my own liking to substantiate buying a hd-dvd player. I had looked at the new Samsung bd-up5000 combi player heavily, but when Warner made the announcement, I decided to wait for the new Panasonic BD-50 Blu-ray player coming with 2.0 and the internal decoders and 7.1 analogs, because I don't have an HMDI receiver. In the meantime, my PS3 is doing fine.

I agree that if you disagree with what someone has said, at leasy say who it is, what they said, and allow them to respond.
post #1375 of 1635

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
I would like to ask a question. We all know that hd-dvd touted much lower production costs since they can be made on dvd lines. Can anyone please tell me, then, why hd-dvd movies are still priced the same as Blu-ray movies? Here is another huge mistake for the hd-dvd. People who can only afford a sub-200.00 player or a $98 player cannot afford to spend 30.00 for a single movie when building any kind of library. The marketing made absolutely no sense!

Who spends $30 for a movie?

Doug
post #1376 of 1635

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I have never seen an administrator on this forum defend one format or another unless inaccurate or misleading information was being bandied about as fact. Then they often step in and correct said inaccuracies. I have seen them do this for both formats, and I myself have been corrected when I had the facts wrong.

If they seem to do it more for HD DVD than blu-ray, and I'm not sure that's really the case, it maybe simply because HD DVD is more often attacked with inaccurate information.

Doug
post #1377 of 1635

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Originally Posted by PeterMano
I find the the behavior and thought processes of this forum's administrators even funnier. Especially, the pretense of impartiality.
Peter, no offense, but, the objective of this post seems to have been to get something started up. If you have a problem with the admins here you should PM them. This is the "Warner Bluray News". Not the "What I Think of the Administrators" thread. Take the non related chat somewhere else and let the admins do thier job.
post #1378 of 1635

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I noticed, that with the upcoming HD DVD-releases from Warner, many are "combo"-releases: "August Rush", "Invasion" and "Jesse James". I believe also "The Brave One", "No Reservations", "Appleseed Ex Machina", and "Justice League: The New Frontier" based on the cover art. Not sure about "I Am Legend", "In the Valley of Elah", "Michael Clayton", and "Bonnie & Clyde". "Twister" seems to be non-combo.

Sure, this might not mean anything, but I was just wondering that perhaps all the rest of these HD DVD-releases from Warner will be now combo´s. They might want to "make sure" that there´s at least that DVD-version included, in case that the HD-fans want to skip those releases and choose BD instead.

Like I said, just wondering. In any case, since most of those releases are combo´s, it´ll be one reason for some to choose that "other format"...
post #1379 of 1635

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While I am glad that WB went Blu-ray exclusive. I just would love to know what titles we can exspect to see on Blu-ray, other than the titles allready scheduled. If I remember correctly there was the same lack of title information last year with some studios.

WB Titles I would like WB to consider for release on Blu-ray (2008):
Using ether uncompressed pcm, dolby true hd or dts-hd ma.
  • Leathal Weapon 3
  • Lethal Weapon 4
  • Sphere
  • 2010
  • The Matrix
  • The Matrix: Reloaded
  • The Matrix: Revolutions
  • Heat
  • Superman 3
  • Superman 4
  • The Negotiator
  • Gone With The Wind
  • Singin In The Rain
  • Memphis Bell
  • The Perfect Storm
  • Shawshank Redemption
  • Logan's Run
  • Batman
  • Batman Returns
  • Batman Forever
  • Batman & Robin
  • Batman Begins
  • The Pelican Brief
  • The Green Mile
  • Young Guns 2
  • Pale Rider
  • Sudden Impact
  • Magnum Force
  • The Gauntlet
  • The Enforcer
  • Dirty Harry
  • The Dead Pool
  • Poltergeist
  • Heartbreak Ridge
  • The Exorcist
  • Blood Work
  • One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest
  • The Client
  • Firefox
  • Eraser
  • Collateral Damage
  • Red Sonja
  • King Kong (1933)
  • Interview With The Vampire
  • The Color Purple
  • The American President
  • Space Jam
  • Tango & Cash
  • Risky Business
  • Demolition Man
  • Cradle 2 The Grave
  • Robin Hood: Prince Of Theives
  • Amadeus
  • My Fair Lady
  • The Maltese Falcon
  • Cabaret
Titles I hope to see anytime after 2009 or in 2010:
I would like to see these remastered because these are lossy Dolby Digital titles. And if any of these are mpeg2 encoded I would like to see AVC or MPEG4 used.
  • Superman (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • Superman 2 (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • Terminator 3 (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • Training Day (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • The Fugitive (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • Lethal Weapon 1 (Remastered with lossless audio)
  • Lethal Weapon 2 (Remastered with lossless audio)
It is my hope that WB moves away from not only using low bitrate audio. But they also move away from using Dolby Digital only titles on HDM.

Post edited 1/20: Removed Conan & Conan The Destroyer due to them not being WB titles.

WB Gone Blu-ray!
post #1380 of 1635

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
That's a good point. I have not seen in any posts any HTF member take a side. Of course I havn't read every post but I have read many. I think the HTF has taken the most neutral stance of any web site. Over at another well-known HD site (no, not the Bits), some of their administers and staff have certainly taken a side and I respect the fact this site has not. I've enjoyed visiting the site because I knew that nobody running the site would offend me and my decision to go blu last year.

I've been a member here for years now, and while I have chosen Blu-ray from the start, it was mainly due to the on-going supply of movies that I really wanted, most of them were blu-ray titles. I could not find enough titles to my own liking to substantiate buying a hd-dvd player. I had looked at the new Samsung bd-up5000 combi player heavily, but when Warner made the announcement, I decided to wait for the new Panasonic BD-50 Blu-ray player coming with 2.0 and the internal decoders and 7.1 analogs, because I don't have an HMDI receiver. In the meantime, my PS3 is doing fine.

I agree that if you disagree with what someone has said, at leasy say who it is, what they said, and allow them to respond.

Well said, Robert (great first name BTW)

I actually have no problem with a person having a preference for one format over another and stating this. And this would also extend to administrators of any forum as well as the members. Nobody ever said that "neutrality" was the only proper choice. Clearly it isn't. The HTF (with the endorsement of its moderating staff) has taken the formal position that we will remain format neutral as long as there is more than one HDM format out there. We, as supporters of the Home Theater community, feel an obligation to try to serve our entire community and not just one side in this particular issue. Other sites have chosen a different approach - sometimes indicated in the title of the forum. That's perfectly fine with us. And that's why we aren't shocked if a forum with "Blu-ray" in the title favors Blu-ray technology and vice versa. To us, "Home Theater Forum" means everything related to HT and not just selective HW and SW.

As movie lovers, the "other" Roberts (me and RC) knew very early in the game that our choice would be to support both formats and purchase equipment and software to feed our common affliction. This was actually done before the HTF took any official stance of neutrality. We both owned HD-DVD players first (because of timing and not because of any particular alliegance) and RC actually purchased a Blu-ray player (the first Samsung) well before I did. In my case I had set my mind on the first Pioneer Elite Blu-ray player (at $1500) very early in the game. I loved Pioneer disc players from my LD days (still own several of them!) and figured that they had a track record. At CEDIA, while viewing the prototype, I had a long discussion with Andy Parsons of Pioneer and that's when I first discovered the lack of an Ethernet port in this expensive model and was told that I would need a later profile version to get full functionality. There would be no firmware upgradability because there would be no physical Ethernet port and expansion boards weren't being contemplated on their flagship model. At that point I put my Blu-ray purchasing decision on hold - and that was before I even knew there would be a "1.1" before a "2.0" almost two years later. And like you, when the PS3 came along with its powerful Cel processor, HDMI 1.3, and, of course, an Ethernet port I jumped on it. I'm actually one of those who purchased it to play movies and not games at the time. I figured that with all the features the PS3 would probably be adaptable to new profiles via firmware upgrades. And so far I think that I guessed right. And the PS3 was much less expensive at the time than stand alone, profile limited Blu-ray players. My only issue at this time with my PS3 is waiting for the elusive DTS Master Audio situation to resolve itself. The PS3 is still my favorite Blu-ray player (I also own a Panasonic BD10A.)

So I find claims of some unnamed administrators here "pretending to be impartial" to be totally off the mark and not indicative of the mature level of discussion that we encourage here. The remark was clearly meant to incite rather than to inform and, as such, will be dealt with if the situation doesn't resolve itself. That behavior may be acceptable at some other sites - and, in fact, seems to be the only reason for their existence - but the HTF is here for the long haul and won't fade into obscurity once the current format war is completely over.
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