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post #1021 of 1635
1/11/08 at 9:28pm

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Originally Posted by Lil' Louie
Love my PS3. Over 200 movies played, and I haven't had one playback issue.

same here, not a single issue. When people post that they won't buy a game machine to play their movies, they are really missing out on a fine blu-ray player. Over 200 discs played (owned and rental) and not a single glitch.
post #1022 of 1635
1/11/08 at 10:13pm

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The Dumping has Begun, just got the latest Promotion from Tigerdirect.com The Toshiba A3 $129 with 7 Free Disks.
post #1023 of 1635
1/11/08 at 11:16pm

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
As far as the PS3 being a cheapie player, I completely disagree with that post, I think it is a fine machine and I am anjoying it very much, bought it as a blu-ray player and it is turning me into a gamer as well. I was hoping for some new receiver announcements at CES but doesn't seem like there were many that I found except a Pioneer (not Elite) for around $599 coming with 3 HDMI ports and DTS Master/ Dolby True decoding.

I originally put "cheap" in quotes because I was referring to price, not build quality, of the PS3 (as Sony has been losing money on the PS3 console in order to get the units into homes and make back their money on the software side, and Sony decided to take away PS2 backwards compatibility to get to the $400 price point for their 40GB model). I probably should have used "inexpensive" earlier. I'm more than aware of Sony's trojan horse strategy of bundling Blu-ray playback into their next-gen videogame platform (it seems to have worked on even you), and I know the piece of hardware isn't a "cheapie" in the negative sense, but priced low for strategic reasons.
post #1024 of 1635
1/12/08 at 12:35am

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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
I'm more than aware of Sony's trojan horse strategy of bundling Blu-ray playback into their next-gen videogame platform (it seems to have worked on even you)

It not only worked on me, it kept software sales leads for blu-ray through 2007 every single week, and won Warner Brothers. Very smart strategy indeed!!!!!! Those that cut Sony down for it simply have no business sense and refuse to see the positive results.

The days of stand-alone players being the only means of delivering movie software are over and those who can't see it are living in the past. People are looking to downsize the number of machines, as seen in so many intros at CES of multiple-function pieces.
post #1025 of 1635
1/12/08 at 2:31am

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Originally Posted by RickER
I remember more than one DVD not playing on a player, even now it still happens. At least with Blu-ray you stand a chance that a firmware update will take care of it. In the old DVD days you just had to get another machine, or hope for a new disc. But yea, discs that dont play really sucks!

Very true. I remember Zenith (among others) had all sorts of problems -- I think w/ dual layer discs -- back in 1999 or so before they ended up exiting the market.

And yeah, my wife also bought a DVD (for the kids) w/in the last year that didn't work at all in our 1-yo Denon 2910. I didn't try a firmware update (and I'm not sure I'd want to for just that one title), but it apparently plays fine on our new PS3, which was a pleasant surprise for us. There's nothing visibly wrong the w/ the disc, and I don't believe it's authored in any particularly special way that would cause a problem for the Denon, but who knows? Then again, I also haven't tried every single DVD I own on the Denon. My previous Philips 963sa performed ok for 3+ years (before a premature demise at the hands of my son), but it was notorious for certain quirks as well, eg. sluggish operation, multi-angle icon cannot be turned off, etc. Still, it did offer certain hard-to-get capabilities that I wanted, so I lived w/ the quirks.

_Man_
post #1026 of 1635
1/12/08 at 2:48am

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
It not only worked on me, it kept software sales leads for blu-ray through 2007 every single week, and won Warner Brothers. Very smart strategy indeed!!!!!! Those that cut Sony down for it simply have no business sense and refuse to see the positive results.

The days of stand-alone players being the only means of delivering movie software are over and those who can't see it are living in the past. People are looking to downsize the number of machines, as seen in so many intros at CES of multiple-function pieces.

I agree, and I'm not even one of the folks who went the way of HTPC -- though I considered it at some points quite a few years back. Just think of the PS3 as a quality, mass market HTPC (or media hub) is all -- and you can even use it to contribute to a good cause in disease research.

It's not much of a Trojan Horse for me though. I used to be a gamer looong ago and originally bought the old X-Box mainly for my own gaming, but ended up rarely ever playing anything on it -- the rest of the family, however, ... With the PS3, I've bought just one game for the family so far and don't expect too many more. Not sure if I'd bother buying any games for myself again, which became wasted on the X-Box. The family still enjoys gaming on the X-Box very much even though there's a new kid on the block...

_Man_
post #1027 of 1635
1/12/08 at 4:04am

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel

The days of stand-alone players being the only means of delivering movie software are over and those who can't see it are living in the past. People are looking to downsize the number of machines, as seen in so many intros at CES of multiple-function pieces.

How are you drawing this conclusion when HDM still only accounts for less than 5% of the market? For the most part, consumers have given both formats a vote of no confidence. If hdm is to ever break into the mainstream, I assure you that people won't be rushing out to buy $400-$500 game systems to play them on, it will probably be a sub $100 stand-alone or some other inexpensive delivery method/device. The PS3 has been successful enough to give BD an edge over HD-DVD because a majority of consumers have stayed away from both formats, nothing more (It has also kept the PS3 behind the X-Box 360 and Wii). I agree there will certainly be other methods to deliver movie software, but to become mainstream it will have to be signifcantly cheaper than the PS3. The way the economy is going, I really don't think we'll see this mad rush to jump into hdm unless it's CHEAP.
post #1028 of 1635
1/12/08 at 4:37am

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Originally Posted by Mark Booth
Ya know, some of the folks on the pro-Blu-ray fan sites have gotten so damn nasty and ugly, I find myself hoping that Universal/Paramount/Dreamworks remain HD DVD exclusive for years to come! I mean, it wouldn't bother me a single bit if that happened. I'm format neutral and I can watch ANY Blu-ray or HD DVD movie any time I want. I can buy either one whenever I want.

Being format neutral is where the real HDM fun is at!!

Mark

Like as if it would be any different on pro-HD DVD sites if Warner had decided to go exclusively Red. HD DVD fanatics would be crowing just as hard as Blu-ray fanatics are now.

To add:

In fact, we would be reading nothing but lovely posts from them about Warner showing great leadership and foresight for picking the "superior" format.
post #1029 of 1635
1/12/08 at 4:51am

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Originally Posted by tomes
I think they are frustrated about having to do that.. also some times they have to wait a while to get the update.. I have a PS3 myself and it's true it's rock solid, but it's not helping them much.

Well, that is what happens when people are so snobbish that they refuse to consider a device based on its capabilities rather than its designation.
post #1030 of 1635
1/12/08 at 5:18am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Well, that is what happens when people are so snobbish that they refuse to consider a device based on its capabilities rather than its designation.
Being a snob might not have anything to do with it so please stop judging others because there might be other reasons. For me, I'm not into gaming at all due to having no time for them and I don't like the looks of the equipment as it compares to the rest of my equipment in my HT rack. Furthermore, it's an indictment against this format and the BDA partners that the PS3 performs better than many of the standalone players. IMO, it shouldn't be that way. This is coming from an owner of three different standalone BR models. I'm an enthusiast so I'm totally into HDM, but what about the majority of consumers that these companies need to buy their product? That is why the manufacturers and studios need to do a better job of producing products that doesn't adversely affect consumer satisfaction. This has nothing to do with snobs, but instead good business.
post #1031 of 1635
1/12/08 at 5:50am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Being a snob might not have anything to do with it so please stop judging others because there might be other reasons. For me, I'm not into gaming at all due to having no time for them and I don't like the looks of the equipment as it compares to the rest of my equipment in my HT rack. Furthermore, it's an indictment against this format and the BDA partners that the PS3 performs better than many of the standalone players. IMO, it shouldn't be that way. This is coming from an owner of three different standalone BR models. I'm an enthusiast so I'm totally into HDM, but what about the majority of consumers that these companies need to buy their product? That is why the manufacturers and studios need to do a better job of producing products that doesn't adversely affect consumer satisfaction. This has nothing to do with snobs, but instead good business.

Good post Crawdaddy, thank you! I agree about the PS3 not looking right in your rack. Cause i didnt like how it would look either. I own the Sony BDS300, it looks and works beautifully.
post #1032 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:05am

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I'd like to post an answer, but I just feel that I can't.
post #1033 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:15am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
I'd like to post an answer, but I just feel that I can't.
I don't know what that is suppose to mean?
post #1034 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:22am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I don't like the looks of the equipment as it compares to the rest of my equipment in my HT rack. Furthermore, it's an indictment against this format and the BDA partners that the PS3 performs better than many of the standalone players.

I use the PS3 for just Blu-ray - nothing else. Don't even think about gaming.
It's small, has a deep black color and is unobtrusive in my rack. With the optional Blu-ray remote, IMHO it's the best HDM player out.

Paul
post #1035 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:27am

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Now, now...

Althought the debate here has been..."spirited"...at times, let's not get fussy!

As for my experience...my HD-DVD has played everything I have fed it where as the BD has been less than cooperative. Had 2 BD titles freeze and require a reboot and it won't pass burned discs through component. Aside from the PIXAR discs I watched on BD, I thus far have been underwhelmed by the image.

Thus far...HD-DVD is winning for moi.
post #1036 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:28am

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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand

I use the PS3 for just Blu-ray - nothing else. Don't even think about gaming.
It's small, has a deep black color and is unobtrusive in my rack. With the optional Blu-ray remote, IMHO it's the best HDM player out.

Paul
Good for you!

However, the shape of the unit bothers me to no end. I'm sorry, but such is my personal taste as to what I like on display in my house. My point in my recent comments is that being a snob against gaming consoles might not be the reason for many of us due to other reasoning and that the best players in a format should be standalone players that are specifically for one thing only, to play BR discs.

With that being said, I'm very happy with my new Panasonic-BD30 and will look forward to adding the BD-50 or a new Denon unit later this year when they're released for sale. My Samsung-1400 is quirky, but it plays the discs eventually, but I wonder what a non-enthusiast would think about the performance of this unit?
post #1037 of 1635
1/12/08 at 6:47am

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Ya know the only point against the PS3 that I can understand is the lack of analog outs which if you don't have an HDMI receiver can be a stumbling block. Fortunately at the time I bought the PS3 I was due for an upgrade to my 10 year old Yamaha.


I've read other arguments against having one (none really made much sense to me, but everyone has different priorities for sure ) though I've never heard the "it doesn't look right in my rack" argument. Looks fine in my HT cabinet but different strokes I guess.


I do agree there is a snobbish attitude from some towards the PS3 but it doesn't bother me, in fact I think it's amusing as I read how this and that disc won't load while I sit back enjoy flawless BD playback also knowing I paid about 50% less than the standalones at the time.
post #1038 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:08am

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Fortunately at the time I bought the PS3 I was due for an upgrade to my 10 year old Yamaha.
For me, a big part of accepting the PS3, as being just a Blu-ray player, was the HDMI capability - and the crown, if it happens, will be the future internal decoding of DTS HD MA(?).
The optional Blu-ray "bluetooth" remote is also a convenience I've never experienced before - sitting anywhere, not aiming it and selecting everything.
post #1039 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:12am

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What is it with PS3 owners and smilies?????
post #1040 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:19am

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Maybe us lowly PS3 owners just don't know any better.

I really didn't notice that BD standalone owners didn't use smilies. You learn something new every day I guess.
post #1041 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:21am

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The optional Blu-ray "bluetooth" remote is also a convenience I've never experienced before - sitting anywhere, not aiming it and selecting everything.

Yeah the remote is a "must have". Great functionality.
post #1042 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:23am

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I was about to purchase a PS3 last year (at a price, then, of > $600), when I suddenly realized it would not play any of my Region A BDs or most of my R1 DVDs. Importing one wasn't an option, because it would drive the total costs up to > $800, while it wasn't certain either that it could be serviced here if unfortunately necessary.
I'm glad now I didn't try to import one of the stand-alones then either (mainly because of similar reasons: price and risks), given the further development of the format.

BTW, even when I'd bought myself a PS3, I would still not be able to play DTS HD-MA tracks to their full strength now.

I have to agree with Robert that words like "snobbish" as a general reproach to those who didn't choose to get themselves a PS3 are irritating an uncalled for.

Also, if BD proponents think that the format-war is over now, will they please allow people to vent some deserved critique now and then without the need to come "to the rescue" with para-arguments (i.e. arguments that don't deny the facts, but somehow imply that the complainer has no right to say what (s)he said).


Cees
post #1043 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:24am

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Maybe us lowly PS3 owners just don't know any better.

I really didn't notice that BD standalone owners didn't use smilies. You learn something new every day I guess.
Yes, we do learn something new every day, but I'm sick of people labeling others that don't agree with them or what product they have bought.
post #1044 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:26am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
I don't know what that is suppose to mean?

Any further explanation would just look as if I was defending my use of the word "snobbish", no matter how I worded it. I was sending you a PM to discuss some other issues that I felt strongly about. However, I didn't realize that I was disconnected from the net and I'm pretty sure the message was lost when I hit transmit. I don't feel like re-typing the whole thing, so I'm just going to let it drop.
post #1045 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:42am

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Yes, we do learn something new every day, but I'm sick of people labeling others that don't agree with them or what product they have bought.

Well for a long time I was sick of the derogatory use of the term "PS3 crowd" and the labeling and putdown it inferred to those who owned one. Now I've grown used to it and laugh it off since it's been tolerated on here so long.

There's two sides to every coin. That's about as far as I'm willing to take this argument so consider the matter dropped as far as I'm concerned.
post #1046 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:44am

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Yes, we do learn something new every day, but I'm sick of people labeling others that don't agree with them or what product they have bought.

Now I'm feeling somewhat offended because I'm being accused of something that I never intended.
post #1047 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:46am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
Well, that is what happens when people are so snobbish that they refuse to consider a device based on its capabilities rather than its designation.

I know I used to be that way. Swore up and down I'd never use a gaming maching over a $1600 standalone DVD player.

Love my PS3!
post #1048 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:47am

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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
Also, if BD proponents think that the format-war is over now, will they please allow people to vent some deserved critique now and then without the need to come "to the rescue" with para-arguments (i.e. arguments that don't deny the facts, but somehow imply that the complainer has no right to say what (s)he said).


Cees
Wish the war was over. One has to ask where the money is coming from that keeps it going? Microsoft -> Toshiba -> Universal - Paramount?
post #1049 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:56am

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Well for a long time I was sick of the derogatory use of the term "PS3 crowd" and the labeling and putdown it inferred to those who owned one. Now I've grown used to it and laugh it off since it's been tolerated on here so long.

There's two sides to every coin. That's about as far as I'm willing to take this argument so consider the matter dropped as far as I'm concerned.
First it was the formats that we labeled each other with and now, it's going to be which players we're using as we try to catagorize each other?

Personally, I think it's all silly.
post #1050 of 1635
1/12/08 at 7:56am

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Originally Posted by Lil' Louie
I know I used to be that way. Swore up and down I'd never use a gaming maching over a $1600 standalone DVD player.

Love my PS3!

Yes, at the present time I think that it is the most capable machine out there. It is a good stop gap machine until the BDA gets off its blu ass and puts out fully featured standalones. The PS3 isn't going to be the last player I own. I want to get a more traditional standalone, but for a comparable price, at this time, nothing else measures up. Once they do the PS3 will go back to being primarily a game machine in my rack. Anyway, I didn't intend this to become a PS3 yea or nay thread. This is supposed to be about Warner's Big Blu decision, so I think we need to get back on track.

Agreed?
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