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I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

post #1 of 25
1/2/08 at 6:13pm
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I have a yamaha receiver with hdmi inputs and 7.1 analog inputs. I understand this receiver cannot decode these new codecs, but the right player should right? I currently have the sony bdp-s1, but i'm pretty sure it doesn't decode these new formats internally. depending who you talk to in my area, you will get 37,577 different answers. all i want is to get hooked up with the right stuff, and since my receiver cost $1000.00 I dont really want to replace it after only a year
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post #2 of 25
1/3/08 at 4:20am

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

Your BDP-S1 will decode TrueHD (assuming it has the latest firmware version) and output it as PCM over HDMI, or as analog multi-channel audio from the player's analog outputs. It won't decode DTS-HD Master Audio, though. At the moment there are no players on the market that will decode this format internally.

There are a handful of new players that will output both TrueHD and DTS-HD MA digitally to an external decoder, but this isn't of any use with your current receiver (you would need to buy a new model with these decoders built in, and a new Blu-ray player with bitstream capability).

Denon's upcoming DVD-3800BDCI Blu-ray player is reported to have both TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio processing onboard, but it is not yet available and will retail for $2000.

Unfortunately, at the moment, there aren't any low-cost options for someone in your position. Your best bet may be to simply wait and see what the other manufacturers will be offering in 2008. Keep and eye on what is reported at next week's CES show.

Adam
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post #3 of 25
1/3/08 at 7:38am

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

The PS3 will decode Dolby True HD, PCM but not DTS in any flavor. That might change if rumors turn out to be fact. The current rumor is DTS is working on something with the PS3 to get master lossless decoding on board.

That is however not a guarantee and not anything you should bank on.
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post #4 of 25
1/3/08 at 12:24pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

I use the Samsung BD-P1400. supports DTS-MA and TrueHD over 6 RCA or HDMI. The only drawback is it profile 1.0
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post #5 of 25
1/3/08 at 1:09pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

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supports DTS-MA and TrueHD over 6 RCA or HDMI.

It doesn't do DTS MA over 6rca. DTS HD but not DTS MA Lossless. Not a single player currently will decode it and send via analog or HDMI. There are a few players like the 1400 that will send the DTS MA signal undecoded over HDMI.
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post #6 of 25
1/3/08 at 1:45pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

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Originally Posted by Shane Martin
It doesn't do DTS MA over 6rca. DTS HD but not DTS MA Lossless. Not a single player currently will decode it and send via analog or HDMI. There are a few players like the 1400 that will send the DTS MA signal undecoded over HDMI.
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Damn, just noticed that. Thankfully it only effects one title I have so far.
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post #7 of 25
1/3/08 at 1:57pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY

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Originally Posted by Shane Martin
It doesn't do DTS MA over 6rca. DTS HD but not DTS MA Lossless. Not a single player currently will decode it and send via analog or HDMI. There are a few players like the 1400 that will send the DTS MA signal undecoded over HDMI.
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And if you have a receiver than can decode DTS MA, then that option is just as good, right?

BTW - what other BD players will send the DTS MA signal undecoded over HDMI?
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post #8 of 25
1/3/08 at 3:02pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

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And if you have a receiver than can decode DTS MA, then that option is just as good, right?

or arguably better yes

The other Bitstream players that I know of are:
Panasonic Bd30k
Pioneer 95FD
Sony BDPS500(no DTS MA via bitstream though)

The LG gen 2 combo player I think sends bitstream and the Samsung Uni player I think sends bitstream.

On the HD DVD side, the A35 and XA2 both send bistream lossless undecoded.
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post #9 of 25
1/3/08 at 3:16pm

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

Hmmm, never knew about the Pioneer 95FD.
EDIT: lol, I never looked into the Pioneer 95FD cause it is almost a grand. Too steep for me....

Which website has the most precise info on these players? Cause Circuit City or Best Buy usually only list what these player can do....not what they can't do, which makes it difficult when you are trying to look for specific features.
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post #10 of 25
1/4/08 at 7:13am

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY

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Originally Posted by shockt327
And if you have a receiver than can decode DTS MA, then that option is just as good, right??

Theoretically, the end result for TrueHD and DTS-MA should be the same. It's like compressing a file as a .zip or a .rar. They just take up a different amount of room. It's is good to have support for both because some companies either have one or the other. Both is rare (eg. Close encounters).
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post #11 of 25
1/4/08 at 8:23am

Re: I WANT A BLU-RAY PLAYER THAT DECODES TRUE HD AND DTS MASTER AUDIO INTERNALLY ANY SUGG

If someone comes out with a BR player that decodes lossless to analog outputs and does BD-Java and 1.1for less than $500, I'll buy it.
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post #12 of 25
1/4/08 at 10:33am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
If someone comes out with a BR player that decodes lossless to analog outputs and does BD-Java and 1.1for less than $500, I'll buy it.
And makes a sammich, as long as we're asking for things.
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post #13 of 25
1/4/08 at 10:55am

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Originally Posted by brap
Theoretically, the end result for TrueHD and DTS-MA should be the same. It's like compressing a file as a .zip or a .rar. They just take up a different amount of room. It's is good to have support for both because some companies either have one or the other. Both is rare (eg. Close encounters).

Ok, what if the player can decode Dolby True HD, but the receiver can't? Is there any way around that?
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post #14 of 25
1/4/08 at 11:39am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

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Ok, what if the player can decode Dolby True HD, but the receiver can't? Is there any way around that?

If the reciever accepts PCM via HDMI, then the HD player will decode the True HD signal and pass it via PCM to your receiver.
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post #15 of 25
1/4/08 at 12:51pm

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any

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Originally Posted by Shane Martin
If the reciever accepts PCM via HDMI, then the HD player will decode the True HD signal and pass it via PCM to your receiver.
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But only via HDMI....not digital/optical out
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post #16 of 25
1/4/08 at 3:46pm

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

And unlike sd dvd, you cannot choose between dts-hd or dd-true; one or the other. Sony s1 owners using analog out are stuck with only dd-true, unless Sony decides to unlock dts-hd internal decoder.
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post #17 of 25
1/5/08 at 12:21am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any

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Originally Posted by ross ish
And unlike sd dvd, you cannot choose between dts-hd or dd-true; one or the other. Sony s1 owners using analog out are stuck with only dd-true, unless Sony decides to unlock dts-hd internal decoder.

Ok, how do you get TrueHD via analog out (or any out) if you have a player (but not a receiver) that can decode TrueHD?
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post #18 of 25
2/10/09 at 11:24am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

PS3 currently decodes both Dolby True HD and DTS MA ans send them through LPCM but can not currently bitstream them(might never due to the hdmi chip limitations). Its been able to decode DTS MA for a while now.
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post #19 of 25
2/18/09 at 12:00pm

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

I have my Sony S550 connected using the analog outs into my DSP-A1 analog in's. Doesn't the S550 decode the signal for both the TRUEHD & DTS HD tracks ?
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post #20 of 25
2/18/09 at 1:07pm

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

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Originally Posted by Troy
I have my Sony S550 connected using the analog outs into my DSP-A1 analog in's. Doesn't the S550 decode the signal for both the TRUEHD & DTS HD tracks ?
Yes, the Sony BDP-S550 decodes all the HD audio formats, and sends them over the 7.1 analog outputs. But, if you'll notice, all the previous posts are from January 2008, over a year ago........... not much was doing it back then.
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post #21 of 25
2/19/09 at 4:15am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

Ed, oops.. thanks for pointing that out. I thought I was buying this player for just that reason of it being able to decode both of the HD audio formats. So far , since hooking up my new S550, I've been treated to hearing each format. The TrueHD track on "Eagle Eye" and the DTS-HD track on "Space Chimps" . Both were very cool.

I have a bunch of titles on my blockbuster queue headed my way that are definately going to pack a wallop on my audio system. Movies like Wanted, Vantage Point, Body of Lies, & Quantum of Solace. I can't wait !!!

TroyH
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post #22 of 25
2/19/09 at 5:21am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

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Originally Posted by T r o y
I thought I was buying this player for just that reason of it being able to decode both of the HD audio formats.
Both? There's actually more than just two. There's "Dolby Digital Plus", "Dolby TrueHD", "dtsHD", and "dtsHD Master Audio". Don't ask me the differences in them, because I don't know. Dolby Digital Plus was on some of the earliest blu ray movies. Look in the owner's manual for the S550, and it should tell you which formats it decodes, and will tell all the HD formats, in case I'm missing any............
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post #23 of 25
2/21/09 at 6:34am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

With all I've read I still can't figure out what my Pioneer 51FD is able to send over the analog outputs to my Elite (non-HDMI) Receiver. If I click on the audio button on the remote, while playing a TrueHD track, it will display TrueHD as the audio track being played. Is it a true TrueHD output I'm hearing or just converted PCM? The manual uses language that leads you to wonder, such as, "The following audio formats are supported" It lists all the new formats. Then there's this winner "Some discs cannot be played, even if one of the above logo marks is displayed" It goes on to say it is recommended to hear all these formats to use a Receiver that is compatible with them. OK, so why did they go to the bother of putting in the analog RCA outs if they weren't serious about onboard decoding? Makes you want to growl
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post #24 of 25
2/21/09 at 8:42am

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

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Originally Posted by John Beavers
Then there's this winner "Some discs cannot be played, even if one of the above logo marks is displayed"
I think they're just covering their butts with that one. I read in a player's manual (forget which one) that's because they keep coming up with new stuff on the discs, and you may experience difficulties until the next firmware update. That may be an ongoing thing, in that case.
Not sure about the PCM conversion. I guess that depends on the player and/or receiver.
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post #25 of 25
2/21/09 at 1:57pm

Re: I Want a Blu-ray player that decodes TrueHD and DTS Master audio internally. Any sugg

Ed,

Got a new BD Disc called Stargaze HD. Display from the player says:

Dolby True HD 8.05 Mbps (varible)/ 30 Mbps

Video =Mpeg4 AVC 7.05 Mbps (varible)/ 40 Mbps

So, my guess is it's playing TrueHD per the software at # Mbps of a possible 30 Mbps....same as with the video. That was helpful in understanding what is going on.
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