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post #1 of 15
11/22/07 at 12:48pm
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Dont know if this has been reported before but I've just discovered that the new BD Java enabled discs such as Spiderman III and Cars can no longer be resumed once you have pressed stop.

I'm using a North American PS3 to play these titles and once you press stop, then upon pressing play you go through all the rigmarole of the JVM presumably reloading.

How inconvenient!

My major beef with HD-DVD is the lack of a functional resume feature, and given that picture and sound are usually identical on format neutral releases, the overall smoothness of the ride of the PS3 and the resume function are the major factors in my default position being to buy the Blu-ray.

Really frustrating the lack of resume, and I find it difficult to believe that given the storage on the PS3 some way round cant be worked out.
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post #2 of 15
11/22/07 at 12:57pm

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That sucks. Hopefully there will be some sort of firmware fix in the near future.
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post #3 of 15
11/22/07 at 3:17pm

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I agree that this is a feature I have come to use quite often with DVD - the phone rings, you want a snack etc., but are gone too long to just pause, or you're watching something long and want to resume the next day (like viewing a TV series without rewatching all the startup crap).
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post #4 of 15
11/22/07 at 7:58pm

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Yep, anything that has to do that little "load" trick at the beginning seems to make it unable to resume.

The PS3 has been a poor "resumer" anyway, in the sense that you can resume if you press play after you stop the disc, but if you power down, no luck. Hopefully Sony will some day give us true Resume some day, which will work with these new BD Java discs, as well as allow us to resume even after a power down.
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post #5 of 15
11/22/07 at 8:22pm

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Same goes for Live Free or Die Hard.
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post #6 of 15
11/23/07 at 4:40am

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
The PS3 has been a poor "resumer" anyway, in the sense that you can resume if you press play after you stop the disc, but if you power down, no luck..

I think PS3 has been pretty good "resumer", at least compared to sluggish Toshiba (HD DVD side). Does the normal DVD-player "resume" from the correct point if the power is down?

I guess it´s those BD-J options that won´t allow "resume" or something? Since HD DVD had their own HDi ready "from the start", they never had the proper "resume" with HD DVD-side. I guess now we get the similar issue with Blu-ray and BD-J-discs?

It sucks. If there´s one thing I don´t like with these players is the lack of "resume". You press "stop" without thinking about it and then you start everything over, long menus, warnings, audio, subs, everything..
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post #7 of 15
11/23/07 at 6:31am

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I continue to be surprised by how many people seem to not have been paying attention a year and a half ago. When Blu-ray proponents were touting "their" format would resume where HD DVD would not, it was pointed out numerous times that BOTH formats have two types of disc authoring, basic and advanced modes. When a disc is authored in advanced mode, there is no "resume" feature. This applies to both formats. The difference a year and a half ago was that all early Blu-ray discs were authored in basic mode. When Sony Disney, Fox, and Lionsgate began using BD-Java a little later, that required advanced mode authoring, hence, no resume. All HD DVDs in the US have been using HDi from the beginning, which also requires advanced mode authoring.

BTW, although Warner uses HDi on HD DVD, they have not so far used Java on BD. Warner's Blu-ray discs will "resume".
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post #8 of 15
11/23/07 at 8:16am
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Either way its a ridiculous limitation. BD is fortunately hugely faster than HD-DVD at restarting the disc, and with the PS3 having large amounts of storage I'm sure a software fix could be developed. I suspect however that the powers that be simply dont recognise this as an issue.

Its all the more galling with the "resume" button on the remote for the EP30. Still at least this is more robust than the A1 in terms of the HDMI handshake. It used to drive me mad seeing the "no HDMI" message come up if I changed inputs, knowing I then faced a wait as the A1 ground through its interminably slow start up routines.

And Robert - as for BD proponents - well at least the vast majority of BD discs do resume - unlike HD-DVD.
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post #9 of 15
11/23/07 at 9:55am

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I continue to be surprised by how many people seem to not have been paying attention a year and a half ago.
Going into a format war, I had no reason to be paying attention, I had no intention of being a guinea pig for the industry.

I also find it interesting how my preferences have changed when it comes to HT. Where before I would have been advocating all the bells and whistles that seem to be the focus of continued development, now I am more interested in the basics - transfer quality and ease of use. Eliminating a function that is available on even the cheapest DVD players, and was also available on VHS (as in you stop the tape, when you hit play next it resumes) in favor of gimmicks (andmore complex authoring which I have no doubt will lead to compatability issues and failures) is a step backwards.
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post #10 of 15
11/23/07 at 10:00am

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This is indeed ridiculous and a big issue! I mean how come these are advanced formats but you can't resume? VHS and DVD could! I suggest a new slogan. HD,... where we go backwards!
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post #11 of 15
11/23/07 at 10:07am

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Originally Posted by Duncan Harvey
Either way its a ridiculous limitation. BD is fortunately hugely faster than HD-DVD at restarting the disc, and with the PS3 having large amounts of storage I'm sure a software fix could be developed. I suspect however that the powers that be simply dont recognise this as an issue.

Its all the more galling with the "resume" button on the remote for the EP30. Still at least this is more robust than the A1 in terms of the HDMI handshake. It used to drive me mad seeing the "no HDMI" message come up if I changed inputs, knowing I then faced a wait as the A1 ground through its interminably slow start up routines.

And Robert - as for BD proponents - well at least the vast majority of BD discs do resume - unlike HD-DVD.

My BD player isn't any faster loading than my HD DVD player. In fact with the Disney films (Pirates and Cars) it takes considerably longer to load.

Doug
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post #12 of 15
11/23/07 at 10:09am

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I suppose that if you really had to stop the player, and wanted to come back at the same spot, you could just hit the bookmark button.

Doug
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post #13 of 15
11/23/07 at 12:53pm

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BD is fortunately hugely faster than HD-DVD at restarting the disc, and with the PS3 having large amounts of storage I'm sure a software fix could be developed.

I assume your only real experience with BD players is the PS3. While it is true the PS3, with its Cell processor. large amount of memory, and PC-like architecture, can run BD-Java apps fairly quickly and smoothly, all other BD players save the new Panasonic are slow, clunky, and at least one I am aware of (the Sharp model) can't even play a Java-based menu in anything but still frames. One of the most expensive standalone players, the Pioneer Elite 95FD is among the absolute slowest. Try restarting a disc that takes more than two full minutes to load each time you hit stop on a $1000 player and I suspect your opinion of Blu-ray players may be a little different.

BTW, for reference, the Toshiba HD-A35 HD DVD player averages ~35 seconds on most discs with the few discs containing web apps taking ~45 seconds.
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post #14 of 15
11/23/07 at 1:31pm
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I did own the first US Panasonic Blu-ray - but after being so impressed with my PS3 - which was bought as a bedroom BD player, I sold the Panny and bought a second PS3.

Unless you need the analogue audio outs, I think the PS3 is the only model in town really.
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post #15 of 15
8/6/08 at 10:33pm

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I came to this area specifically to find out if this has been discussed and here it is.

It's silly that you can't do this with some BD titles, I hope they get crackin' on this and provide firmware upgrades somewhere down the line as it's extremely inconveniant.
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