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post #211 of 223
12/9/07 at 9:29am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
Court Martial - friends daughter going from hatred of the man she thinks killed her father, and desiring vengence or at least justice- to affection and concern for his career...for no apparent reason

Actually, in between the two encounters with Kirk, the daughter has learned that her father is still alive. She now knows Kirk didn't murder her father, thus the change in attitude.

I don't mean to sound like I'm "piling on" here, but I just couldn't let that go.

Mark
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post #212 of 223
12/9/07 at 10:46am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
no show is perfect- modern or classic- but I just don't have near the same amount of consistent problems with say, the first season of Have Gun Will Travel, Twilight Zone, or (to a lesser extent) the Fugitive, that I'm having with ST. So I would kind of have to say Bosh on classic material being exempted from serious critical assessment because it was made in the dark ages.
I watched the menagerie last night. While it was definitely one of the more interesting and moving eps for me in this season, I was still a little annoyed how easily Spocks emotional concern for Pikes mental well being is brushed aside (it's his half human side peeking thru, ok I'll accept that...to a point) as well as the signal from Starbase 11 at the end that off handedly neuters all the previous ominous restrictions and threats of harsh disciplinary action in regards to contact with Talos. Spock stole the ship and forced the captain to chase it in a shuttle craft? No problem, we understand back here- no harm done.
I mean, C'mon.

....And if Spock had gone to Starfleet Command and Said Hey I've been contacted By the Talosians, never mind what you read in Pike's Own Report, the Talosians really have Pike's Best Interest in mind, Let me take him back.... no.. both They and even Pike to an extent had to be forced to relive the events... after that and diliberation they waved.. the Policy and the Only Death Penalty left on the Books... but this was in the optomism of the 60's.. not the Cold Harsh realities of 2007 where we disregard reports and say hell the report says they are not dangerous.. lets bomb them anyway... your watching these in a different reality... to Quote the Talosians... "Captain Pike has his reality and you have yours.. may yor find yours as pleasant" in this day and age I doubt you will.
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post #213 of 223
12/9/07 at 11:32am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

maybe I zoned out for a bit and didn't catch this- but I thought the commander was just an implanted illusion- so the commander wasn't there, and he didn't get to examine the evidence- see the movie as it were- the way Kirk, Spock, and Pike did.
Even if they transmitted a recording of it back to starfleet HQ, there would still be time needed to view it and debate its merits and veracity- especially in light of the severe restrictions.
Just seemed to me this whole matter was resolved at warp speed, and very neatly and patly.

These aren't neccessarily deal killers, but they are speed bumps in the parking lot for me.
They are what's keeping me from whooping it up and doing donuts up over the set.
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post #214 of 223
12/9/07 at 2:19pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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Just seemed to me this whole matter was resolved at warp speed, and very neatly and patly.

These aren't neccessarily deal killers, but they are speed bumps in the parking lot for me.
Eh, I mark something like that due more to time constraints. The fact that the technology is in place to quickly to determine that the source of the message was Spock irks me more.
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post #215 of 223
12/9/07 at 5:15pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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maybe I zoned out for a bit and didn't catch this- but I thought the commander was just an implanted illusion- so the commander wasn't there, and he didn't get to examine the evidence- see the movie as it were- the way Kirk, Spock, and Pike did.
Even if they transmitted a recording of it back to starfleet HQ, there would still be time needed to view it and debate its merits and veracity- especially in light of the severe restrictions.
Just seemed to me this whole matter was resolved at warp speed, and very neatly and patly.
If you accept the Talosians have the ability to alter someone's perception of reality even at great distances then for all we know Starfleet thought they had Spock on trial back at the starbase on a charge of attempted mutiny and kidnapping. To them his whole defense could have been implanted at the same time as the trial on Enterprise and when they agreed with the why of the situation the Talosians then showed them it had actually happened and they only needed to approve.

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Eh, I mark something like that due more to time constraints. The fact that the technology is in place to quickly to determine that the source of the message was Spock irks me more.
I haven't re-watched it yet, when was this?
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post #216 of 223
12/9/07 at 5:46pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
I agree that the ending to Space Seed seems rather inconsistent and there are some issues with every episode but I want to address

Actually Kirk is very consistent here. The one thing different about TOS compared to the rest of the ST series after is that Kirk got really upset when any crewman died and went after the people / creature responsible. His orders were shoot to kill to prevent anymore of his crew from dying. However, for himself he was always willing to rush in where angels fear to tread. The only character that did change was Spock when he told Kirk to kill the creature and I wish they had not done that. Kirk was always about righteousness and killing was to be avoided if possible and done if necessary. You may not agree with the beliefs Kirk held but he seemed pretty consistent except for the whole "Prime Directive" thing in the later seasons.

I actually really like that Spock reacted the way he did. He is logical to a fault, until his friend is threatened. It showed where Spock's loyalty is. It's also why the show works so well. It's the relationships of the three main characters that is the reason the show has lasted so long and is so well regarded.

Even the Spock / McCoy relationship that is so filled with verbal sparing, when it comes down too it you know that Spock and McCoy will back each other up. In fact Spock has so much respect for McCoy that he asks him to stand with him at his marriage in Amok Time.

Doug
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post #217 of 223
12/9/07 at 7:19pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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I actually really like that Spock reacted the way he did. He is logical to a fault, until his friend is threatened. It showed where Spock's loyalty is.
He had said previously that this creature might be the last of its kind so logically he would be willing to sacrifice the whole planet's worth of humans to keep it alive as humans are not in danger of becoming extinct. In addition Kirk said he wasn't currently being attacked.
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post #218 of 223
12/10/07 at 12:53am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

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Originally Posted by Chuck Anstey
He had said previously that this creature might be the last of its kind so logically he would be willing to sacrifice the whole planet's worth of humans to keep it alive as humans are not in danger of becoming extinct. In addition Kirk said he wasn't currently being attacked.

Yes but it goes to the point that is made over and over again about Vulcans in Star Trek. They clam that they have no emotions and they operate through pure logic, but the truth is that they are simply suppressing their emotions and they do come out from time to time, even in full blooded Vulcans.

Spock's father not talking to him in Journey to Babel is another example. How completely illogical to no talk to someone just because they made a life choice that you don't approve of. If your life is lived totally by logic why would you have to approve of someone else's choices in the first place.

This theme runs all through the 5 Star Trek shows.

Doug
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post #219 of 223
12/14/07 at 2:20pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

I just saw Space Seed on the new HD set with the Starfleet Access turned on. This episode sure had that function working a lot! They had a lot of commentary from many people you'd expect, the Okudas, Dave Rossi(who is so incredibly enthusiastic and quite a hardcore fan and it shows!), DC Fontana, Bob Justman, The Trimbles and of course Harve Bennett. But I was surprised they had Harry Knowles chime in as a Trek expert! All I know of him is that he created AICN.

It was fun to hear their comments. Though I am not sure I like this feature. It's cool as a visual way to do audio commentary, but when their faces pop up and the image of the show shrinks so you see two equal size images, I'd rather keep watching the show with the audio of the commentary.
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post #220 of 223
12/15/07 at 4:24am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

Is anyone experiencing freezing on some eps? I'm using the XBOX 360 add on and have experienced lock ups on about 4 eps so far, like The Menagerie, Galileo 7, etc..

Other than that, the set is awesome.
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post #221 of 223
12/19/07 at 4:21am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

Finished the last of the episodes last night. Got through the set with no major problems except for the self correcting lip synch issue that I already mentioned and a player lockup which needed a hard reset after I paused an episode on disc 9 (though I think this problem is inherent to the hardware not the disc).

I haven't watched any of the bonus material but I'm backlogged with other HDM titles (Die Hards, Harry Potters, Blade Runner) so I'll return to it down the road. I am looking forward to Season 2, some really great episodes in there.
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post #222 of 223
12/19/07 at 10:28am

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

Regarding the extras, I've been meaning to comment on the much discussed original effects comparison to the new CGI effects feature of this set when first announced.

Perhaps my interpretation of this feature was wrong, or others thought the same thing. There was no actual original footage comparison with new CGI in a way that was meaningful to me. I am not dissing this.

What they did was use the Starfleet Access feature with the PIP feature and what they show are small images of the old verse the new. I guess I was hoping and expecting was full sized HD versions of the old and new where I could see either with the push of a button. This is not the end of the world, the other features and the wonderful remastering of the live action has been a pleasure!

The old effects can be seen during the end credits and I can watch the last box sets! Well, I'm on the 9th disc now, closing in on the end and savoring it!

By the way, I recently viewed This Side of Paradise. I was much relieved to see that it was intact and not altered the way the syndicated version of the remastered episode was broadcast. The broadcast version cuts short the sequence where Kirk is all alone of the bridge and the camera pans across the bridge. They also added a CGI shot of the Enterprise in orbit during Kirk's monologue. I since heard this was what is done with other syndicated broadcast of the un-remastered version.
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post #223 of 223
12/19/07 at 1:05pm

Re: HTF HD-DVD Review: Star Trek: The Original Series Season One

I also finished my review of this set (I don´t add the link at his point, since I´m not sure what the policy is) and I have to fully admit that these new CGI-effects were in most parts very seamless, respecting the "original look/feel". They blend in quite well and rarely I thought that "that is the new effect!", "and that!", etc. Then again, it has been years since I saw these episode last time, so the more "hardcore" fans might have different opinions.

My gripe still is, that the "original version" (without CGI-effects) was not included in the SD DVD-side of this set. It really feels like a missed opportunity.. It would´ve been nice to watch a couple of episodes without the CGI-effects. Adding both versions would´ve made the "combo-decision" more justified.

But yeah, the series in 1080p looks really good, I had great time.
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