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post #31 of 57
11/15/07 at 1:01pm

Re: HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: Ratatouille

This is one of those films I passed on in the theaters. The previews did nothing for me. But you guys are beginning to peak my interest. I am looking forward to getting home this weekend and viewing it.
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post #32 of 57
11/15/07 at 1:20pm

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The difference between Ratatouille and past Pixar films
is that you can see that, on an artistic level, this was something
a little more refined.

This film will not appeal to kids, and that's the very reason why
I enjoyed it so much. It spoke to me on an adult level. For once,
it wasn't the story that really grabbed me, but the artistic level of
the animation itself.
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post #33 of 57
11/15/07 at 1:43pm

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Ron, I beg to differ about the film mot appealing to kids. All 3 of my kids liked it, but since I have such eclectic taste in movies, that might explain something. I think "not for toddlers" or the standard Disney set would be a more appropriate assessment.
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post #34 of 57
11/15/07 at 1:59pm

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I watched it and didn't see what all the fuss was about. I am getting sick of all these animal animations already.
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post #35 of 57
11/15/07 at 2:04pm

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Yup and those movies are the exact reason why I said 'almost every other animated movie' instead of 'all animated movies'.



Boy, I can't wait to see those titles (especially B&TB) on blu-ray!. I always think of B&TB as the worst-looking title in my collection. And I'm not usually that discriminating.
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post #36 of 57
11/17/07 at 9:52am

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Hey Matt,

Great review!

Disney / Pixar's Ratatouille (Blu-Ray) is seriously the most gorgeous High-Def video I've seen. It was a blast watching this.

I hope to see more of Pixar's releases on Blu-Ray soon (so I can upgrade my whole collection).
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post #37 of 57
11/17/07 at 11:22am

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Between Ratatouille, Cars & the Short Films Vol. 1, I'm in Pixar Heaven!!!
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post #38 of 57
11/17/07 at 4:03pm

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Luke,

Welcome to the forum!

But there really is no reason at all to shout here.
Please use normal fonts and font sizes!

Thanks.


Cees
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post #39 of 57
11/24/07 at 10:13pm

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This is a stunning looking movie. Good stuff.
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post #40 of 57
11/26/07 at 10:10am

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Ratatouille is perhaps the best animated film I have ever
watched. In short, it's a work of art. I can't think of any other
animated feature that has put such an emphasis on detail. There's a
scene where Remy first arrives in Paris, is climbing out of the sewer
and up a building. As he makes the climb, he spirals himself through
all the intricate details that make up the building itself. It continues
on, as the camera follows ahead of Remy scurrying through vents
and ceiling as he observes the action below. To the viewer, it's the
most amazing thing to watch.

Agreed Ron.

I had the same reaction. In fact, this is the first "animated film" that, for me, starts to blur the line between animation and real cinematography. Many moments in the film were decidedly "cinematic" in a way that even that adult-oriented japanimation artform doesn't quite attain.
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post #41 of 57
11/27/07 at 8:14am

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i'm glad the HTF krew picked up on brad bird as the man behind iron giant, incredibles and this rat movie.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0083348/
^he was also part of simpsons krew, believe it or not =P.

i saw this in the cinema and proclaim this the best pixar movie afterwards. it really holds up to the test of time. you get somn new everytime you watch it, signs of a classic.

on the technical side, CG movies are where i notice color banding the most. i have to mentally forget that we're still using 8-bit here. i wish both HT equipment+media as well as PC's have been transitioned to 16-bit color depths already... but alas, it remains a dream.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth

perhaps that is the next evolution? =P. i'm a bit of a nitpicker though. the audio is amazing. i'm totally satisified with lpcm. my ears will only get worse with time. we really don't require any better audio.
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post #42 of 57
11/27/07 at 9:30am

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Jedi,

I noticed no instances of visible banding on my projector (running HDMI which normally makes these painfully obvious). There might have been one brief instance where I *think* I might have seen banding during a quick "camera pan" around the light around a light post. But the movement was so fast that it wasn't clear enough to discern.

Other than that... perfect color gradations.

Did you see banding?
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post #43 of 57
11/27/07 at 10:18am

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i see banding in everything on HDTV from TV programming to HD DVD, Blu-Ray, encodes, everything. not just my home equipment, stores, friend's house with proper calibration, everything. i'm just 2nitpicky/perffectionist =P.

i'm not @home currently, but one thing i can remember is TMNT. if you have that disc, que the beginning after the ancient battle and the "camera" pans down on the manhattan skyline, lots of banding.

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The only technical downside to the transfer is that there are several instances of color banding -- most noticeably in nighttime scenes when large expanses of the sky are visible overtop the city. This "stair-stepped" effect seems to haunt most animated movies I've watched in high-def and is a subtle distraction in an otherwise top notch visual presentation.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/901/tmnt.html
^he notices it as well.

it's not just animated CG stuff, old and new movies have this as well.
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post #44 of 57
11/27/07 at 10:20am

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Yes, but I mean specifically do you see banding on *this* BD?

What's your system/connections?
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post #45 of 57
11/27/07 at 10:31am

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I'm not looking to bash an entire (and very popular) family of monitors, but a majority of complaints about banding seem to come from folks with flat panel LCDs. Just sayin'. Actually, I find banding pretty unnacceptable on my sister's DLP set, but it's a 720P set that's few years old. Still, my much older 1080i CRT shows no banding with most titles (with the exception of some obvious offenders like the Finding Nemo DVD).

Let's hear it for analog technology!
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post #46 of 57
11/27/07 at 9:04pm

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4:54 when the camera pans, lots of color-banding. mine's a LCD, so you'll blame it on that, but i've seen it on DLP, CRT projections@stores. same stuff =P.
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post #47 of 57
11/28/07 at 4:12am

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
4:54 when the camera pans, lots of color-banding. mine's a LCD, so you'll blame it on that, but i've seen it on DLP, CRT projections@stores. same stuff =P.

Checked that scene out via a PS3 running to a Sony A2000 at 1080P. No visible banding that I could find.
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post #48 of 57
11/28/07 at 6:57am

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4:54 when the camera pans, lots of color-banding. mine's a LCD, so you'll blame it on that, but i've seen it on DLP, CRT projections@stores. same stuff =P.

Have you checked it out with *this* title on all those other displays? Running HDMI from BD to display?

I have a DLP PJ and saw no banding.
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post #49 of 57
11/28/07 at 7:09am
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I certainly saw no banding either (via PS3 to 56" 1080p/24 DLP), and I was looking for it after the discussion about banding on THE JUNGLE BOOK DVD.
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post #50 of 57
11/28/07 at 9:42pm

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It's there. Thanks a lot Jedi.

I'm not too worried. I see it freeze frame but watching it about 10 times at regular speed knowing it's there I couldn't see it.

Jedi, if you caught this in the normal course of watching the movie you have my deepest sympathy.

PS3, HDMI, Sony XBR960 tube
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post #51 of 57
11/29/07 at 6:27am

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I wonder if that's the spot where I think I noticed what looked like it *might* be banding around that street-light during a camera pan. I'll check out that time-marker next time I have the PJ fired up...

p.s. if that's the extent of "banding" in this movie... it's hardly cause for alarm...
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post #52 of 57
11/29/07 at 7:47am

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Don't waste your time it's not the notorious street light banding that is in just about every version of the trailer released.

It's in shotgun granny's house.

Remy is eating the strawberry & cheese
He hears a noise as SG wakes up
Incredibly quick pan from Remy to SG (this is where it is)

There is cgi motion blur going on which probably doesn't help Jedi's sensitivity to banding. Freeze and step through the pan. It's worst in the first frame where Remey has exited frame right. Banding on the brown walls.

Like I said, I tried to see it in real time and couldn't.
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post #53 of 57
11/29/07 at 10:00am

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it's when the pan happens, NOT still.

i catch this while watching everything on any technology. that's why i'm so excited for LED/OLED-hybrid LCD or new HDR technology like the new samsung that provides 92% of the color spectrum. i really can't wait for that stuff to come down in cost. that'd the ultimate display playback technology!!!! =).

it's sad cause everything from our current HDM player, HDTV, HTPC (all PC graphics cards), Software are all 8-bit based and not 12/16-bit based.
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post #54 of 57
11/29/07 at 11:24am

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
In fact, this is the first "animated film" that, for me, starts to blur the line between animation and real cinematography. Many moments in the film were decidedly "cinematic" in a way that even that adult-oriented japanimation artform doesn't quite attain.

Cars came first.
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post #55 of 57
11/29/07 at 11:40am

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if you've seen the behind the scenes, i like how they hired a DP for this even though a DP is not "technically required", but they used her expertise to make the lighting so much more "cinematic". there's also some mis-en-scene that is very nice done in many ways modern live action films don't quite care for.
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post #56 of 57
11/29/07 at 12:35pm

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it's sad cause everything from our current HDM player, HDTV, HTPC (all PC graphics cards), Software are all 8-bit based and not 12/16-bit based.

HDMI 1.3 passes deep color. And even though BDs aren't recorded with deep color to start, in theory there can be an improvement since the video decoding, processing, and signal chain to the display can all happen at a greater bit-depth. Your next display should have an HDMI 1.3 connection.
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post #57 of 57
12/3/07 at 1:04pm

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hi David,

the spex for hdmi is good, but:
1. as we said, none of the Blu-Ray/HD DVD are encoding in higher color depths.
2. even if HDM were higher color depths (which they SHOULD HAVE BEEN from the start, so they can wait for technology to catchup), none of the current/announced standalone HD players can play that back. so you have to buy a NEW player.
3. even if you had the source, player, you still don't have the displays capable of it. it's very rare to see 10, 12, 16-bit color depths displays because they are so expensive to make. they're coming though... i believe the samsung led backlit+LCD combo is supposed to cover more of the NTSC color spectrum, but it's still not a true higher color depths display, still 8-bit and 8-bit voodoo.
4. if the AVR is 1.3, it can pass higher color depths along as long it isn't processing or touching it (rescaling purposes, etc.), otherwise you'll need a brand new AVR.
5. none of the PC video cards outputs more than 8-bit color. 2D is still the oldest/least worked on spex on the computer end of things. macs do have higher color depths 12/16, but they require a lot more horsepower just to maintain that stuff. all in all practically speaking, you still can't output it via computer. i dunno if VGA/DVI even supports higher color depths. displayport will have pretty insane color depth support. but so far, only the ati firegl series are higher color depths:

http://ati.amd.com/products/fireglv8650/index.html

true HDR is happening on the PC end, but not fast enough!!!! i'm gonna hold off on buying new HTPC's and stuff until we get 16-bit color depths.
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