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post #421 of 2629

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could a movie portraying today's army as anything less than perfect ever get made? and even if it did, is that really the stuff of comic books movies? you have to make a movie within the limitations of comic book sensibilities, because once you get too serious, the suspension of belief that is required for accepting a guy in spandex is gone.
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Funny you should mention it. The biggest roadblock facing "Captain America" coming to the big screen within the next few years is that many within Marvel and Paramount (who have a distribution deal with the studio) think the movie will be a very tough sell overseas. Because of this, Cap may be introduced first in the 'Avengers' movie before getting a franchise of his own ala Wolverine.

"Thor", "The Avengers", and "Ant Man" are on the two studios immediate radar, along with the two sequels to "Iron Man" and the two 'X-Men Origin' flicks ('Wolverine' and 'Magneto'). Marvel has also put writers on another 'X-Men' feature that will focus on the younger mutants, as well as tentative planning for further 'Origin' films should 'Wolverine' (summer 2009) and 'Magneto' (summer 2010) prove successful.

And let's not forget that little 'Spider-Man' franchise. Marvel and Sony are rumored to be "zeroing" in on an outline for the next trilogy of movies, as well as a new director (Sam Raimi will serve as one of the producers for the time being) and new (cheaper and younger) leads.

2010 looks to be a pretty big year for Marvel as they will probably have four films in theaters that summer. "Iron Man 2" (Paramount), "Spider-Man 4" (Sony), "Thor" (Paramount), and "X-Men Origins: Magneto" (Fox).

Right now, the only thing on DC's calendar for 2010 is "Superman: The Man of Steel" (WB). With "Justice League" being shelved, DC and WB are currently attempting to do features on "The Flash", "Green Lantern", "Teen Titans", and "Wonder Woman". Christopher Nolan's third 'Batman' feature won't hit theaters until 2011.
post #423 of 2629

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I could talk for hours on Captain America. But, as this is the BO thread, I'll spare that for another time.

It would never do huge business overseas. Regardless of America's popularity or lack thereof. It doesn't translate as well, because the character is very much about the self-image of the country. What it needs to work, besides the right director and lead, is a REALLY, REALLY good script. And great action scenes.

So it doesn't have to be hugely expensive either.

Terry, tell the Paramount boys to call me I am all about creative consultant on Captain America. I'll even write a draft script
post #424 of 2629

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Originally Posted by EricW
could a movie portraying today's army as anything less than perfect ever get made? and even if it did, is that really the stuff of comic books movies?

Despite the selling point of giant robots, Transformers practically was a U.S. military recruitment ad. The soldiers in that movie were portrayed as nothing less than extremely competent and humane.
post #425 of 2629

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Whoa... that was fast! Marvel has release dates for a couple of films that Terry just mentioned...

Iron Man 2 - April 30, 2010
Thor - June 4, 2010
The First Avenger: Captain America (working title) - May 6, 2011
The Avengers - July 2011

Marvel Studios Sets Four More Release Dates! - ComingSoon.net
post #426 of 2629

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Originally Posted by TerryRL
Marvel has also put writers on another 'X-Men' feature that will focus on the younger mutants, as well as tentative planning for further 'Origin' films should 'Wolverine' (summer 2009) and 'Magneto' (summer 2010) prove successful.

Maybe it's just because X-Men 3 was so bad but the X-Men franchise feels dead to me and I'm having trouble seeing the origins films doing anything. I guess Wolverine might do well enough because people still like Jackman in the part but Magneto feels like they're trying to milk something that doesn't have much to give.
post #427 of 2629

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Originally Posted by Andy Sheets
Despite the selling point of giant robots, Transformers practically was a U.S. military recruitment ad. The soldiers in that movie were portrayed as nothing less than extremely competent and humane.
That's because Bay loves military involvement, and if you want the military involved, they have specific requests (script included). And both Iron Man and Transformers used the Air Force almost exclusively. They're airmen, not soldiers
post #428 of 2629
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Of all the big Hollywood directors, the military bends over backwards to provide Michael Bay with whatever he wants because his films are extremely pro-military. Just wait until you see the sort of hardware they're providing for him for "Transformers II". The sequel is going to be a lot bigger in terms of scope and hardware.

As for Marvel's just released schedule, I like that they are adding 'Avenger' to the 'Captain America' title. I also like that they are more or less using it as a launching pad to the July 11th 'Avengers' feature. Here are the heroes expected to appear in the movie...

-Ant Man
-Captain America
-Hulk (depending on what can be worked out with Universal)
-Iron Man
-Nick Fury
-Thor

Marvel and Paramount may add more (Black Panther, Black Widow, Wasp, etc.), but the above names are pretty much "locked". Marvel is obviously expecting the same kind of success they (and Fox) enjoyed with the 'X-Men' trilogy (earning $1.163 billion worldwide).

In any event, Marvel looks to be swimming in money for the foreseeable future if their upcoming slate of films matches (or exceeds) the success of "Iron Man". The studio has had far more hits than misses. 12 out of the 18 films bearing the Marvel brand have earned more than $100 million domestically, with 2 more topping the $70 million mark.

MARVEL BRAND
1 "Spider-Man" (Sony) $403,706,375 ($821,708,551)
2 "Spider-Man 2" (Sony) $373,585,825 ($783,766,341)
3 "Spider-Man 3" (Sony) $336,530,303 ($890,871,626)
4 "X-Men: The Last Stand" (Fox) $234,362,462 ($459,256,008)
5 "X2: X-Men United" (Fox) $214,949,694 ($407,557,613)
6 "X-Men" (Fox) $157,299,717 ($296,250,053)
7 "Fantastic Four" (Fox) $154,696,080 ($330,120,875)
8 "Hulk" (Universal) $132,177,234 ($245,360,480)
9 "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" (Fox) $131,921,738 ($288,565,730)
10 "Ghost Rider" (Sony) $115,802,596 ($228,738,393)
11 "Iron Man" (Marvel/Paramount) $104,250,000 ($201,000,000) and counting...
12 "Daredevil" (Fox) $102,543,518 ($179,179,718)
13 "Blade II" (New Line) $82,348,319 ($155,010,032)
14 "Blade" (New Line) $70,087,718 ($131,183,530)
15 "Blade: Trinity" (New Line) $52,411,906 ($128,905,366)
16 "The Punisher" (Lionsgate) $33,810,189 ($54,700,105)
17 "Elektra" (Fox) $24,409,722 ($56,681,566)
18 "Howard the Duck" (Universal) $16,295,774 ($37,962,774)
post #429 of 2629

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It's a shame the first "Punisher" movie didn't catch on. It was a far better film than most of those on Terry's list that grossed much more.
post #430 of 2629

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is it because of the overwhelming $ that marvel became a movie "studio" instead of refocusing itself on comic books? is the studio a separate division just for movies or is it taking resources away from comic books? it's one thing to diversify, but quite another to abandon ship on the medium that started all this greenback in the first place.

will dc do likewise?

i'm betting the movie studios aren't liking this since the comic studios will reap more profits from the gross than the movie studios themselves, and this will force movie studios to come up w/new properties (like before) to bank franchises on. let's hope we have more original heroes than we have currently.
post #431 of 2629
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Marvel decided to take the "Lucas" approach (i.e. Lucas' deal with Fox for the last five Star Wars movies) and finance their own movies because they simply didn't make much on the Fox (X-Men), New Line (Blade), or Sony (Spidey) films. "Iron Man" was the studio's first solo financed feature. Paramount will receive a distribution fee as well as profits from the DVD sales on all the Marvel films they release. Marvel also financed "The Incredible Hulk" with Universal retaining distribution rights.

Marvel will probably see a lot more coin from movies/DVD than they do from their comic book titles.
post #432 of 2629

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Terry,
I'll assume Stan Lee doesn't see much of that coin. Or Kirby, or Ditko, etc.

Their great ideas (along with numerous others) are making some shareholders very rich. Seriously, assuming Iron Man makes it to 4 or 5 on Terry's list (which seems a gimme), that means Stan Lee creations account for the top 10 Marvel movies. I don't think a Excalibur or X-Force movie would pull those numbers.
post #433 of 2629

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
is it because of the overwhelming $ that marvel became a movie "studio" instead of refocusing itself on comic books? is the studio a separate division just for movies or is it taking resources away from comic books? it's one thing to diversify, but quite another to abandon ship on the medium that started all this greenback in the first place.

Could be. For the past few years, Marvel has been more and more open about using the comics test ideas for eventual film adaptations. But I don't think they'll actually give up on comics because the publishing line is very useful to keeping copyrights and trademarks in use, and sometimes (very rarely) even creating a whole new idea to exploit
post #434 of 2629
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Chuck, I don't know what the current financial relationship is between Lee and Marvel, but he did sue them for about $5 billion last year. Terms of the suit (and subsequent settlement if one is reached) are confidential, but I think this is something that Marvel would want to go away as fast as possible because Lee is so high profile, on top of being hugely popular with the overall comic book/superhero fanbase (hence his nickname "The Man").

In spite of the lawsuit, Lee will continue to have cameos in the films based on the characters he created. The man is a living legend and a lot of people are making sick amounts of money on his creations. Its only right that he benefits financially from the billions that have been generated.
post #435 of 2629

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i guess Marvel's not going for the Blade route and finding lesser known characters that have more potential? my comic book days were 15 years ago, so i don't know any new characters that would make for good movies. does anyone remember Power Pack? they could be marketable. or Cloak and Dagger. as for Punisher, i can only guess that some small company bought the rights to it a long time ago and couldn't do better than the small budget poop they ended up with... if they wanted, maybe Marvel could "redo" it the same way they redid the Hulk, with a totally new creative team and stars?
post #436 of 2629

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Punisher: War Zone is coming, screenplay was written by half the team behind Iron Man.
Ray Stevensen is the new Frank Castle and Dominic West is Jigsaw
post #437 of 2629

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As good as Iron Man was, I'm beginning to fear Comic-Book-Movie-Overload. Maybe I'm the only one.
post #438 of 2629

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the geeks are ruling the world =D.

let's just hope that 'film' (in the snobby sense of that word ) keeps coming out instead of just event/blockbusters.
post #439 of 2629

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
nothing like the writer that capsized Poseidon (by being unable to complete a script, despite getting full credit in the end) being given another shot at a huge film. The sequel set up at the end of the credits of Iron Man has me very excited for the sequel, Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Samuel L Jackson was a huge surprise.
thanks for that spoiler
post #440 of 2629
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The early line has "Iron Man" easily retaining the top spot with a Friday haul in the neighborhood of the $15 million, while "Speed Racer" and "What Happens in Vegas" were in a tight race for the #2 slot earning $6.5 and $6.2 million respectively.

Judging by these numbers, "Speed Racer" will be lucky to get out of the gates with a $25 million weekend haul. WB had hoped for no less than $30 million. On the other hand, Fox's "What Happens in Vegas" looks headed for a debut haul in the area of $17-$21 million. "Iron Man" will earn a second-weekend haul of about $45-$50 million.

The official studio estimates will be posted a later today.
post #441 of 2629

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Good to see Iron Man have a decent hold. I expected Speed Racer to have major BO issues, and it does. Too bad. Great movie for families.

I expect Narnia will do big business next week. I'm thinking $75M.
post #442 of 2629
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Right now, the tracking suggests that 'Prince Caspian' will open stronger than the $65.5 million launch of the first 'Narnia' flick three years ago. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it debuted as high as the $75 million you're predicting.

Many are now speculating that "Speed Racer" will perform very much like "The Golden Compass" did, earning a disappointing domestic haul ($70.1 million) but pulling in blockbuster-like numbers overseas ($301.4 million translating to a worldwide mark of $371.5 million). In any event, the soft debut of "Speed Racer" has probably killed any hope the Wachowski brothers, producer Joel Silver, and WB had for a lucrative franchise.

On top of all this, I heard that the SR toys aren't flying off the shelves as hoped for either. So far, "The Dark Knight" and Indy IV toys are selling at much higher levels (especially with retailers having a hard time keeping Joker figures in stock).
post #443 of 2629

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Originally Posted by TerryRL
Judging by these numbers, "Speed Racer" will be lucky to get out of the gates with a $25 million weekend haul.

Ouch. Maybe this type of flat opening will spur Warners to move the release date up for "The Dark Knight" to sometime next month.

Hey, one can dream can't they?
post #444 of 2629
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Friday Estimates

#1 "Iron Man" $15.3 million ($141.9 million) 57% Friday-to-Friday drop
#2 "What Happens in Vegas" $6.7 million
#3 "Speed Racer" $5.9 million
#4 "Made of Honor" $2.5 million ($21.1 million) 56% Friday-to-Friday drop
#5 "Baby Mama" $1.9 million ($36.5 million) 46% Friday-to-Friday drop
#6 "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" $1.2 million ($48.1 million) 39% Friday-to-Friday drop
#7 "Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay" $1.1 million ($28.6 million) 49% Friday-to-Friday drop
#8 "The Forbidden Kingdom" $550K ($46.9 million) 53% Friday-to-Friday drop
#9 "Prom Night" $370K ($42.1 million) 58% Friday-to-Friday drop
#10 "Red Belt" $320K ($417K)
#11 "Nim's Island" $300K ($43.2 million) 54% Friday-to-Friday drop
#12 "21" $245K ($79.8 million) 62% Friday-to-Friday drop
post #445 of 2629

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Originally Posted by TerryRL
Friday Estimates

#1 "Iron Man" $15.3 million ($141.9 million) 57% Friday-to-Friday drop
#2 "Speed Racer" $6.7 million
#3 "What Happens in Vegas" $5.9 million

Box Office Mojo has Speed Racer and What Happens in Vegas reversed.. which would be even worse for Speed Racer coming in 3rd. Congrats to Iron Man!
post #446 of 2629
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Thanks for pointing that out, its been fixed. Had a minor brain fart.

Looks like SR has become the summer's first high profile box office disappointment. A $20 million weekend will be tough to achieve.
post #447 of 2629

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SR will make more on Sat and Sun, thanks for large numbers of kids going to see it (alert: anecdotal data). It'll still end up 2nd, probably barely scraping by the Vegas turdburger. Hopefully, it'll find an audience overseas.
post #448 of 2629
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Weekend Estimates

#1 "Iron Man" $50.5 million ($177.1 million) -49%
#2 "Speed Racer" $20.2 million
#3 "What Happens in Vegas" $20.0 million
#4 "Made of Honor" $7.6 million ($26.3 million) -49%
#5 "Baby Mama" $5.8 million ($40.4 million) -43%
#6 "Forgetting Sarah Marshall" $3.8 million ($50.7 million) -38%
#7 "Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay" $3.2 million ($30.7 million) -48%
#8 "The Forbidden Kingdom" $1.9 million ($48.3 million) -55%
#9 "Nim's Island" $1.3 million ($44.3 million) -51%
#10 "Redbelt" $1.1 million ($1.2 million) +1,699%
#11 "Prom Night" $1.05 million ($42.8 million) -56%
#12 "21" $835K ($80.4 million) -58%

The industry enjoyed a very solid frame as business was up 24% compared to last year, as well as being an impressive 43% stronger than this weekend in '06. The top twelve tallied a spectacular $117.3 million, making this weekend the best second-weekend performance ever for the month of May (besting the $115.3 mark from 2002). This also marks only the fourth time ever that this weekend has produced top twelve earnings of more than $100 million.

2008's year-to-date domestic mark now stands at $3.046 billion. '08 is now tied with last year for having fastest trek to the $3 billion domestic mark. This year's mark was about even with last year's year-to-date haul of $2.056 billion, 6% stronger than '06 ($2.872 billion), up 12% over '05 ($2.715 billion), and about 2% better than '04 ($2.999 billion).

In terms of ticket sales, '08 has sold about 435 million admissions. Past years saw '07 selling about 448 million, '06 had moved 438 million, '05 had sold 423.5 million, while '04 was sitting on a massive total of 483 million sold admissions at this point.

Marvel/Paramount's "Iron Man" became the 14th film in history to have second-weekend earnings of more than $50 million as the movie had a moderate dip of 49%. The action flick looks headed for a final haul in the neighborhood of $275-$285 million. A sequel has already been set for a late April 2010 launch.

WB's "Speed Racer" may have become the first high profile casualty of the summer as it opened about $10 million below most industry predictions. The $120 million budgeted film's modest $5,604 average from its 3,606 theaters came in behind both "Iron Man" ($12,284 from 4,111 locations) and "What Happens in Vegas". With the 'Narnia' sequel hitting theaters next week, "Speed Racer" may have a very short shelf-life.

Fox's "What Happens in Vegas" had a very solid opening as it pulled in about $20 million. The film, which cost only $35 million to make, earned a per-theater average of $6,220 from its 3,215 locations, which was the second best of the top ten. Fox is expecting this one to have a leggy run in the coming weeks.

After a disastrous April session of business (which earned an abysmal $496.5 million total for the month), "Iron Man" has signaled what the industry hopes will be a major turnaround at the box office.

Next weekend will see Disney's "The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian" hit theaters. Right now, the movie is tracking extremely strong. Many are now predicting an opening weekend north of the $65.55 million debut of the previous 'Narnia' flick, 'The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe'. Whatever the case may be, expect a pretty major debut for 'Prince Caspian' as "Iron Man" slips to the second slot.
post #449 of 2629

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Yikes for Speed Racer! Guess that ends the studio's hope for a new franchise.
post #450 of 2629

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Speed Racer recovered a bit though, at least it hit $20 mill.

The thing is, while it does like an anime in motion ... the colors are definitely not anime. It's way too over the top with the color and looks more like the Spy Kids or American animation.

Overall a solid weekend for the industry. If Speed Racer had hit $30-$40 million instead, just about every studio exec in Hollywood would probably be dancing.
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