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post #91 of 264
3/10/08 at 6:24pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

No thats all the error message i was getting, I will check the cable tightness when its quiet around here and can run the program again, but im doubting thats it, its a fairly tight connection with banana plugs ive been using for a while now.

So Chris if your lurking i would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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post #92 of 264
3/10/08 at 6:31pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by John-Miles
No thats all the error message i was getting, I will check the cable tightness when its quiet around here and can run the program again, but im doubting thats it, its a fairly tight connection with banana plugs ive been using for a while now.

So Chris if your lurking i would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Hi John,

Does the set of chirps repeat at a louder level and then you get the error message? Also, does the chirp sound the same as the other speakers (in loudness and frequency content)? I'm wondering if you might have a damaged driver that could be causing this. Finally, is there any hum coming from the center channel?

Chris
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post #93 of 264
3/10/08 at 6:51pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Hi Chris,

I only get the error message after the entire test loop has run, thats half the frustration really, ive got to listen to it all :S

The tone is somewhat different on the center channel though, i had attributed it to the fact that my speakers are nto all matching though. but no hum from the speaker at all.
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post #94 of 264
3/10/08 at 7:01pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by John-Miles
Hi Chris,

I only get the error message after the entire test loop has run, thats half the frustration really, ive got to listen to it all :S

The tone is somewhat different on the center channel though, i had attributed it to the fact that my speakers are nto all matching though. but no hum from the speaker at all.

Hmm.. Is the speaker chirp sequence L, C, R, RS, Rback, LBack, LS, Sub?

It's hard to diagnose remotely, but perhaps you could play some pink noise through the speaker and compare it to one of the fronts to see if there is an obvious hole in the spectrum that would indicate a blown driver.

Chris
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post #95 of 264
3/10/08 at 7:09pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Yeah thats the order.

I am going to try swapping out the center channel once the laundry is done, i assume if it works with one of my rears in place of the center than its definitely my center channel that is damaged and not any other problem?
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post #96 of 264
3/10/08 at 7:27pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Well unfortunately Chris, you were right, its my center channel thats blown.

the tone is definitely a lower pitch now that im listening for it, so there is not much i can do.

I dont mind too much that the speaker is blown, i was planning to upgrade my center channel anyway, just i also wanted to use this for my 7th rear speaker.

If you dont mind my asking, would it totally hoop the value of the audyssey EQ if i were to replace my center channel, then leave my rear right surround unhooked (because it will be what is my busted center channel) run the EQ and then after plug in the busted speaker.

I know its not ideal to use that speaker at all, but id rather ahve some sound than a sound void so to speak.
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post #97 of 264
3/10/08 at 10:49pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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It's hard to diagnose remotely
Chris and Audyssey never cease to amaze me!
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post #98 of 264
3/10/08 at 10:56pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by John-Miles
Well unfortunately Chris, you were right, its my center channel thats blown.

the tone is definitely a lower pitch now that im listening for it, so there is not much i can do.

I dont mind too much that the speaker is blown, i was planning to upgrade my center channel anyway, just i also wanted to use this for my 7th rear speaker.

If you dont mind my asking, would it totally hoop the value of the audyssey EQ if i were to replace my center channel, then leave my rear right surround unhooked (because it will be what is my busted center channel) run the EQ and then after plug in the busted speaker.

I know its not ideal to use that speaker at all, but id rather ahve some sound than a sound void so to speak.

John,

I don't think that will work because MultEQ will report a missing speaker for the surround and I believe that the receiver expects both surrounds to be there or it will give you an error. You can try it, but I don't think it will get you very far.

Chris
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post #99 of 264
3/11/08 at 6:04am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

damn, so i need to have a full 7.1 set up? i cant use it with a 5.1 or 6.1?

I guess me and my SPL meter get to spend some quality time together.
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post #100 of 264
3/11/08 at 6:58am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Just purchased a 3808ci, and I'm reading this thread trying to learn about the Audyssey function. Does this proccess get applied to the entire frequency range, ie down to 15 Hz or so? My current reciever has no EQ capability, so I used a SPL meter and seperate EQ to flatten the sub response. Will that be eliminated now?
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post #101 of 264
3/11/08 at 7:39am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by John-Miles
damn, so i need to have a full 7.1 set up? i cant use it with a 5.1 or 6.1?

I guess me and my SPL meter get to spend some quality time together.

Hi John,

The Sound Equalizer has 8 channels, but it's up to you how many to use and in what configuration. You can use it in stereo (in up to 4 rooms) or in a 5.1 and a stereo system, or in a 7.1 system. Keep in mind that it is expecting a pre-pro and and a separate amp. It can't be hooked up to a receiver unless you happen to have one with direct amp inputs.

Chris
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post #102 of 264
3/11/08 at 7:40am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by Michael Varacin
Just purchased a 3808ci, and I'm reading this thread trying to learn about the Audyssey function. Does this proccess get applied to the entire frequency range, ie down to 15 Hz or so? My current reciever has no EQ capability, so I used a SPL meter and seperate EQ to flatten the sub response. Will that be eliminated now?

Yes, MultEQ applies correction over the entire range.

Chris
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post #103 of 264
3/11/08 at 11:28am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Like Adam, I'm amazed at what Chris and Audyssey can accomplish over the Ethernet "ether." Well done.



And some of the recent experiences here (including my own) also point out one of the "hidden" benefits of the Audyssey process (pro or regular). It acts as a diagnostic tool pointing out things that might otherwise be missed. I've personally experienced both speaker phase and polarity issues (easily fixed with either the flip of a switch or reversing a pair of wires) and now we have a real world example where Audyssey detected a faulty driver! Unfortunately, as our components age (along with us!), or if we sometimes move things around a bit and then reconnect them incorrectly (guilty as charged!) we might not realize what could be subtle differences in the sound until we apply an Audyssey correction. I love the fact that Audyssey politely tells us that something might be askew and allows us to correct for that before proceeding with a full equalization.

And the other thing that's so nice about an Audyssey equalization (along with similar products to make this a bit more generic) is that it's relatively easy (especially Audyssey) to recalibrate everything if we add new equipment, furniture, room treatments or make other changes to the acoustic environment. No longer does one need an acoustical engineering degree to get the best out of our sound systems - no matter how many channels or what type of equipment.
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post #104 of 264
3/11/08 at 1:44pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

I always thought I had taken great care setting up my speakers including getting the front speakers the same distance apart. When I ran the Audyessy Multi EQ ,my jaw dropped when it told me I was 4mm out!
Running this programme has resulted in the best upgrade in my sound system since ny first sa-cd player.Great stuff, guys.
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post #105 of 264
3/11/08 at 4:31pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Quote:
Originally Posted by audyssey
Hi John,

The Sound Equalizer has 8 channels, but it's up to you how many to use and in what configuration. You can use it in stereo (in up to 4 rooms) or in a 5.1 and a stereo system, or in a 7.1 system. Keep in mind that it is expecting a pre-pro and and a separate amp. It can't be hooked up to a receiver unless you happen to have one with direct amp inputs.

Chris

Sorry Chris, not to beat a dead horse, but your last sentence has me a bit confused. Ignoring that I am taking it to understand that once i replace my center channel i can run the EQ with a 6.1 set up even though the amp is a 7.1?

Well in a week or so after i get my new Paradigm CC-690 i will chime back in and let you all know how this works out for me
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post #106 of 264
3/11/08 at 4:49pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

John,

Are you running the Audyssey Pro version of MultEQ? If so, the menu on the PC allows you to turn on or turn off any speakers you want so that you could tune the room for 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 2.0 or any other speaker configuration you desire. I haven't used the "regular" (built-in) Audyssey equalization in a while so I don't recall whether you can also turn off selected speakers from within the Denon's setup menu (I seem to recall that you can).

Good luck. I'm sure Chris will chime in with the definitive answer.
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post #107 of 264
3/11/08 at 8:59pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Just chiming in to say WOW! Replaced my HK AVR325 with the Onkyo SR705 last week. I'm am blown away by the sound coming from my speakers. The best adjective I can use here is SMOOTHE. No holes. Thanks for making such a great and AFFORDABLE product.

Dave
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post #108 of 264
3/11/08 at 9:06pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by John-Miles
Sorry Chris, not to beat a dead horse, but your last sentence has me a bit confused. Ignoring that I am taking it to understand that once i replace my center channel i can run the EQ with a 6.1 set up even though the amp is a 7.1?

Well in a week or so after i get my new Paradigm CC-690 i will chime back in and let you all know how this works out for me

Hi John,

For some reason I thought you were asking about the Audyssey Sound Equalizer, our stand-alone box. My answer was referring to that. If you are asking about the receiver version of MultEQ then it will automatically detect how many speakers you have connected and create a correction solution for them. So if you don't have anything connected to the Back Surround channels it will ignore them.

I hope this helps clear this up.

Chris
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post #109 of 264
3/13/08 at 6:45pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by RAF
John,

Are you running the Audyssey Pro version of MultEQ? If so, the menu on the PC allows you to turn on or turn off any speakers you want so that you could tune the room for 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 2.0 or any other speaker configuration you desire. I haven't used the "regular" (built-in) Audyssey equalization in a while so I don't recall whether you can also turn off selected speakers from within the Denon's setup menu (I seem to recall that you can).

Good luck. I'm sure Chris will chime in with the definitive answer.

Robert, sorry i missed your post, to answer your question i am using the built in one, and at this point i think i am going to be lazy and just wait until i get my new center channel to run the EQ properly. though unhooking the speaker giving me issues is defintiely a simple way around the bad speaker
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post #110 of 264
3/25/08 at 3:37pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Hi everyone. I just ran the MultEQ on my Integra 7.8 and would have been totaly lost without this thread. So if I could get some feed back that would be great. First off I have the Klipsch RF83's and 62's and the RTD 12 sub. I ran MultEQ and all speakers were set to full band and sub was at 80hz. My fronts were also set for "double bass". My distances were on the money eccept for the sub was twice the distance it is. I was not happy with the sound at all, so after reading this thread I've mad these changes. If I've done something wrong please let my know. I set all speakers including sub to 80hz and took out the "double bass" from the fronts. I also changed the distance on the sub to the correct distance and adjusted the volume from -15 to 0. These changes made a big difference, but I still feel like I'm missing something. I've wondered if my fronts should be set to full band because of their size, but I'm also getting allot of voice out of them and it seems weird to me because on my old amp it was all center speaker. Anyway sorry for rambling If anyone has any ideas that would be great. Let me know if my changes were good or bad.

Thanks M@
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post #111 of 264
3/25/08 at 3:55pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ding Guy
Hi everyone. I just ran the MultEQ on my Integra 7.8 and would have been totaly lost without this thread. So if I could get some feed back that would be great. First off I have the Klipsch RF83's and 62's and the RTD 12 sub. I ran MultEQ and all speakers were set to full band and sub was at 80hz. My fronts were also set for "double bass". My distances were on the money eccept for the sub was twice the distance it is. I was not happy with the sound at all, so after reading this thread I've mad these changes. If I've done something wrong please let my know. I set all speakers including sub to 80hz and took out the "double bass" from the fronts. I also changed the distance on the sub to the correct distance and adjusted the volume from -15 to 0. These changes made a big difference, but I still feel like I'm missing something. I've wondered if my fronts should be set to full band because of their size, but I'm also getting allot of voice out of them and it seems weird to me because on my old amp it was all center speaker. Anyway sorry for rambling If anyone has any ideas that would be great. Let me know if my changes were good or bad.

Thanks M@

Hi Matt,

Integra uses 80 Hz as the criterion for Full Band, so your Klipsch's probably produce a little below that and were set to Full Band. We always recommend changing them to Small as you did. Double Bass off is also a good choice for your system (this is not something that MultEQ controls).

The RT-12D subwoofer has a DSP chip in it. Every DSP chip adds some delay to the audio signal because of the way it processes audio. So, it's normal to see a "longer" distance. What MultEQ actually does is find the acoustical delay due to distance and the electrical delay in the signal due to the DSP. I would recommend not changing the value that MultEQ returned as it assures better blending with your main speakers.

As for the subwoofer level, MultEQ sets it so that it matches the level of the satellite speakers. This is how the content was mixed and is considered the reference. Many people prefer more bass and it's OK to turn it up, but I would suggest listening at the reference level for a while. You should hear more detail instead of boom.

Finally, the issue you describe about the voice being in all speakers sounds like you are not in the right decoding mode. Are you in some non-standard surround mode?

Chris
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post #112 of 264
3/25/08 at 7:17pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Hi Chris, thanks for the response. I will return my settings to what MultEQ set them at. I have only tried the Integra so far with HDTV in Dolby Digital. Even though I'm having a few newbi issues, I must say your product is very impressive and I appreciate the time you take to help all of us.

Thanks M@
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post #113 of 264
3/25/08 at 7:22pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Forgot to say that the voice is not coming from all speakers just LF,RF,and center speakers.
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post #114 of 264
3/30/08 at 11:21pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

I love the Audyssey on my the Denon 2808. Sound is so much more enveloping for movies. It's a hit and miss with music. However, I can disable it on the fly with pure direct mode.
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post #115 of 264
4/2/08 at 10:56am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

I have a Denon 3808CI, and I am using a PS3 for my Blu-Ray. I have the video going out on component, and the audio going out on HDMI. My TV does not have HDMI, and that is why I am going this route. My question is this. When listening to Dolby TrueHD via PCM from the PS3, is it better to use the Audyssey setup, or use the Direct setting? I know the Direct setting has move volume, but by using it, am I loosing detail in the sound. If am I correct even with less volume, the sound should be more accurate with the Audyssey running the EQ. Thanks for any help. I posted this in its own thread, but no one replied. Hope I get an answer this time.
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post #116 of 264
4/2/08 at 9:51pm

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

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Originally Posted by Smitty4ut
I have a Denon 3808CI, and I am using a PS3 for my Blu-Ray. I have the video going out on component, and the audio going out on HDMI. My TV does not have HDMI, and that is why I am going this route. My question is this. When listening to Dolby TrueHD via PCM from the PS3, is it better to use the Audyssey setup, or use the Direct setting? I know the Direct setting has move volume, but by using it, am I loosing detail in the sound. If am I correct even with less volume, the sound should be more accurate with the Audyssey running the EQ. Thanks for any help. I posted this in its own thread, but no one replied. Hope I get an answer this time.

Audyssey is a room acoustical correction technology. So, it is totally independent of the content type and the method of encoding it. It fixes the problems in your room so that all your content sounds as it should.

Direct mode disables not only Audyssey, but bass management and all other digital processing. I am not sure why there is "more volume" in that mode. All it does is disable the processing and just passes the input signal to the speakers.

Chris
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post #117 of 264
4/3/08 at 4:12am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Thanks for the reply. Thats what I thought it did, but I just wanted to be sure. There are so many new technologies that it is hard to keep up. Especially to really know what they mean and how to use them correctly. Also if I understand what I read, then you have to get the pro for Dynamic EQ to work on my Denon 3808ci? I have a new sub on the way, so I am going to have to run the setup again, once it arrives.
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post #118 of 264
5/1/08 at 8:26am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

1. In my 3808 (European edition) I tried Audyssey set up for both 5.1 and for 2.0 (the front speakers only), since I listen to music in stereo mode a lot.

I must note, after an Audyssey set up in 2.0, stereo mode sounded much better, than stereo mode within a 5.1 set up...

Is it supposed to be so or am I doing something wrong? Of course, it would have been nice to have the best stereo sound within a 5.1 set up...

2. Strange enough, after several set ups in 2.0, the best result was achieved from 3 points only, even though 7-8 points were also tried out... Is it possible to get some additional info on how it works, so that consistent results would not depend upon luck than much?

3. Overall, Audyssey is great stuff; thanks to it, the receiver "sounds" better than a power amp...

4. Is it true that DynamicEQ is not available in European 3808?

My thanks in advance for yr kind attention to my questions.
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post #119 of 264
5/1/08 at 9:03am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Hi Rolan,

Quote:
Originally Posted by highliner
1. In my 3808 (European edition) I tried Audyssey set up for both 5.1 and for 2.0 (the front speakers only), since I listen to music in stereo mode a lot.

I must note, after an Audyssey set up in 2.0, stereo mode sounded much better, than stereo mode within a 5.1 set up...

Is it supposed to be so or am I doing something wrong? Of course, it would have been nice to have the best stereo sound within a 5.1 set up...

I must admit I am not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that you didn't like 2-channel material playing over 5.1 speakers? That's not surprising and has nothing to do with Audyssey. It is because of the poor quality of the available upmixing algorithms.

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2. Strange enough, after several set ups in 2.0, the best result was achieved from 3 points only, even though 7-8 points were also tried out... Is it possible to get some additional info on how it works, so that consistent results would not depend upon luck than much?

This is probably because the additional measurements were taken too far off-axis. The best measurement pattern is to start in the center at the main listening position, then move 60 cm to the left and right of that position. Then take three more measurements in parallel with the first three, but about 1 m in front of them. The final two measurements can be taken near the first position and about 20 cm to the left and right of it to form a triangle around where the head will normally be.

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4. Is it true that DynamicEQ is not available in European 3808?

Yes, unfortunately Denon decided not to release the MultEQ Pro firmware in their units sold outside the US and Canada. A MultEQ Pro calibration is required to enable Dynamic EQ in the 3808.

Chris
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post #120 of 264
5/1/08 at 9:57am

Re: Audyssey MultEQ: Questions and Answers - Onkyo, Denon, et. al.

Hi Chris,

thank you for your quick reply. Pls find below some clarification of what I meant.
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Originally Posted by audyssey
Hi Rolan,
I must admit I am not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that you didn't like 2-channel material playing over 5.1 speakers? That's not surprising and has nothing to do with Audyssey. It is because of the poor quality of the available upmixing algorithms.
Not quite. I like listening to music in stereo mode, i.e. using 2 front speakers only (that's the way I use the receiver 90% of time).

So, I initially run Audyssey auto set up in 5.1 mode and listened to 2 channel stereo with this kind of set up. I must admit, it sounded really nice!

Out of curiousity, I unhooked all the seakers, except for the front ones, and run the Audyssey auto set up with the front speakers only (2.0). And the result was different and it was much better! (the equalizer curves for the front speakers were different for the 5.1 set up and for the 2.0 set up).

I hope this explains what I did. I just was wondering why the resulting equalizer curves were different for the same speakers set up under the same conditions other than that:
- the first time the front speakers were processed by Audyssey together with other surround speakers and sub and
- the second time the front speakers were processed separately (i.e. all other spealers unplugged).

If you wish, I can send you photos of equalizer curves, wehich are rather different.

The main difference is in better clarity of 2.0 auto set up, as well as the vocal is better articulated...

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Originally Posted by audyssey
This is probably because the additional measurements were taken too far off-axis. The best measurement pattern is to start in the center at the main listening position, then move 60 cm to the left and right of that position. Then take three more measurements in parallel with the first three, but about 1 m in front of them. The final two measurements can be taken near the first position and about 20 cm to the left and right of it to form a triangle around where the head will normally be.
Thank you. This recommendation might be useful for other users as well.

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Originally Posted by audyssey
Yes, unfortunately Denon decided not to release the MultEQ Pro firmware in their units sold outside the US and Canada. A MultEQ Pro calibration is required to enable Dynamic EQ in the 3808.
Well, Denon might use some logic of their own for charging extra $1K for less functionality of their European unit , which is still great...
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