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The new cinematic James Bond vs old, just a pondering essay

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I've been pondering an idea for some time about the new Danial Craig Bond verses all the Bond actors before him. I don't think I've seen this in writing anywhere.

Up until Goldeneye and Pierce Brosnan's first Bond film, the franchise was led by Albert R. Broccoli, he started the whole film franchise with Harry Saltzman. The films have been theirs, and a lot of director Terence Young's, vision of the cinematic Bond.

The Roger Moore films saw more of Michael G. Wilson's involvement, Wilson being Broccoli's step son with his third wife, Dana. His daughter, Barbara Broccoli also from Dana, became increasingly involved in the Dalton and Brosnan Bond films. But the films continued the same formula after Broccoli's death in 1996, including the last 3 Brosnan films.

With the start of Casino Royale, the Broccoli children are in total control. I had the idea that the Brosnan films suffered somewhat from a schitzophrenic point of view. They kept the formula, and perhaps injected what they felt was good and right for the films. Perhaps it was the change of the role of women, no longer the window dressing, but the involved and equal to Bond. Which was not a bad thing. But did their divided approaches hurt the Brosnan films? Not financially, they did well, the character was different somewhat due to the actors of course.

But with the start of Casino Royale, they were free. The Broccoli children decided to do what they wanted, and I think more so of Barbara Broccoli, as Wilson was still "old school". She alone I think pushed for Craig as the new Bond. She broke away from the Ian Fleming/Broccoli senior's vision of Bond. They literally started over. The biggest change of course is the selection of Craig. His looks and approach, unfettered by Connery's or anyone elses portrayal alters the Bond for the new generation.

What I am leading up to is that it's really Barbara Broccoli that is leading this charge and it will be interesting to see how far she takes it with the next film. At the end of Casino Royale, the old Bond appears to emerge. Judi Dench still in the film as M does remind us of the past, but I bet she's one of Barbara's changes in the Brosnan era. What will a new Moneypenny and Q be like? And is Craig, as blunt as he was in Casino Royale, be more Connery like? Does the film version change, or will it actually end up back where it started? Does Barbara Broccoli really change the character that much, or will the Studio (Sony) make her play it safe and keep in step with past formulas? Thoughts?
post #2 of 14

Re: The new cinematic James Bond vs old, just a pondering essay

I found Connery pretty blunt in Dr. No as well. I'm sure Craig's portrayal of the character will mature as well. If he continues to be cruder around the edges that is probably more indicative of the times we live in.
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Nelson Au, your pondering is very perceptive.

For an intelligent discussion of the radical upheaval in the recent Bond films, check out James Chapman's classic study Licence to Thrill: A Cultural History of the James Bond Films . He has revised and expanded the book, and includes a new chapter on the Barbara Broccoli / Craig era.

Christoph Lindner's latest cultural study is Revisioning James Bond: James Bond and Casino Royale , due out June 1. I gather by the title that it specifically addresses the points you raise.

Other recent cultural studies on this topic were published before the release of Casino Royale in 2006:

James Bond and Philosophy by James B. South

James Bond in the 21st Century: Why We Still Need 007 by Sarah Zettel and Glenn Yeffeth.

The Politics of James Bond: From Fleming's Novels to the Big Screen by Jeremy Black.

Ian Fleming & James Bond: the Cultural Politics of 007 by Edward P. Comentale.

The James Bond Phenomenon: A Critical Reader by Christoph Lindner.


Together with Chapman's study cited above, the two best histories are:

For Your Eyes Only: Ian Fleming and James Bond by Ben MacIntyre.
I see a new paperback edition is coming out April 6.

The Battle For Bond by Robert Sellers.

MacIntyre's history documents how Ian Fleming projected his personal life and career as a spy into his first novel Casino Royale (1953). The novel was intended to prod and tickle his colleagues, friends, and lovers, all of whom appear as characters in one way or another and in situations they would recognize. Controversies raised by this novel -- involving sadism, misogyny, etc -- become confused and erroneous when separated from the author's life.

Seller's book is a meticulously researched and fully documented legal and production history of the early Bond films and the disputed ownership of the character. The first edition was withdrawn (as in banned) for legal reasons, the second edition adds more pages and cites the documents that had to be removed.

Expect a better-informed and higher level of discourse in the above books than you have encountered thus far in movie chat rooms.
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"Expect a better-informed and higher level of discourse in the above books than you have encountered thus far in movie chat rooms."

Maybe if you'd stop beating to death anyone who disagress with your rantings on a certain film...
post #5 of 14

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I don't really mind the more serious Batman Begins/Bourne-inspired style.

They've done everything else with the character so why not I guess. You have to change it up once in a while.

Though personally I think injecting a little more fun and humor into the Craig film's wouldn't be a bad idea. Bond is supposed to be fun.

Brosnan got it right I think, he just didn't get any good scripts after GoldenEye. If the next film is as dry as the last two, I think there might be some kick back from the movie-going public.
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It'd be nice to see Bond face off with some sharks again. I'm being serious there,
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Originally Posted by James 'Tiger' Lee
"Expect a better-informed and higher level of discourse in the above books than you have encountered thus far in movie chat rooms."

Maybe if you'd stop beating to death anyone who disagress with your rantings on a certain film...
See what I mean?
post #8 of 14
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Re: The new cinematic James Bond vs old, just a pondering essay

Thanks for the input Richard.

Wow, I started this thread a year and a half ago and it's back. I'll look into that list of books, thanks for the info.

Pete, I agree with you regarding Brosnan's films. And Quantum of Solace wasn't very satisfying a film experience for me. Craig's next film has to improve, whether that means adding more humor or other elements of the past film series. When the DVD comes out, I'll reassess it with another viewing.

Nelson
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Originally Posted by James 'Tiger' Lee
"Expect a better-informed and higher level of discourse in the above books than you have encountered thus far in movie chat rooms."

Maybe if you'd stop beating to death anyone who disagress with your rantings on a certain film...

Exactly.
post #10 of 14

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Exactly.
The truth hurts, doesn't it.
post #11 of 14

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Originally Posted by Richard--W
The truth hurts, doesn't it.

Pity you can't see it, nor seperate truth from opinion.
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Originally Posted by James 'Tiger' Lee
Pity you can't see it, nor seperate truth from opinion.
Why don't you shut up, jerk?
Do I snipe and bait your posts?
Why do you assume that my remarks about chat rooms were directed at you personally when your name isn't mentioned?
That's very telling about you, isn't it?

I wanted to share information that would be informative to those who are interested. That's all there was to it.

Worship Casino Royale all you want, but leave me alone if you don't agree with me, just as I've left you alone.
post #13 of 14

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Cut it out!

You guys know better than to go down this road. There won't be any further warnings.






Crawdaddy
post #14 of 14

Re: The new cinematic James Bond vs old, just a pondering essay

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Originally Posted by Nelson Au
And Quantum of Solace wasn't very satisfying a film experience for me. Craig's next film has to improve, whether that means adding more humor or other elements of the past film series. When the DVD comes out, I'll reassess it with another viewing.

Nelson

QUANTUM OF SOLACE was a huge disappointment after the very good CASINO ROYALE successfully rebooted the franchise and restored 007 back to his former glory.
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