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I installed the update and had no problems. I'm glad they fixed the Finder file transfer bug. It was a major faux pas. That said, I know of nobody that moves files from one disk to another via the Finder. Everyone just copies the files and deletes the original data. Seemed to me to be much ado about nothing.

Of the new fixes, I'm happy to see that the status bar has returned during permissions repair even if the time estimates are wildly inaccurate. Permissions repairs were too slow under Panther, took a huge leap forward in Tiger and now are back to being slow again.

The main stick in my craw after upgrading to 10.5 and even after the 10.5.1 update is that my MacBook Pro will not shutdown or restart unless I first logout. If I try to shutdown or restart while logged in, the machine hangs at the Desktop after the Finder and Dock quit. I'm forced to do a power shutdown. Several people I work with have had the same problem and while some people don't think it's a big deal, it's definitely a pain in the ass. I rarely shutdown my machine...I usually just put it to sleep. But installing any software that requires a reboot forces me to hold down the power button to shut off the machine...you don't get the option to logoff first.

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I noticed no overt changes after 10.5.1. The two main nuisances I've got now are:

* with Time Machine turned on, my MBP no longer auto-sleeps.

* Parallels isn't fully Leopard compatible, issuing an error every time it runs and crashing when I close it down. Fortunately, in the middle, it works just fine.

With Time Machine running now, it's neat to see how it works. I've been jiggering with how we've got our finances setup, and now it should backup those files everytime we change them (via MS Money in Parallels). That's a nice safety net.

I use the icon-hack I posted earlier and Stacks is much more useful. I've enabled Spaces, but I haven't figured out how to use it in a way that helps me.

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I'm experiencing exactly this on a G4 dual 867, ever since the update. I thought that maybe it was related to my third-party USB 2 card and was going to remove it to see if that solved the problem, but maybe we can find a common thread between all of our machines (especially since mine is old and weird).

What are the machines? How did you do the migration to Leopard? (I did an archive-and-install after pooching my original install -- CURSE YOU LOGITECH!!!) Got anything odd or out-of-the-ordinary attached or installed? I have three HDs inside, with my iTunes library on one, my iPhoto library on another and the system on the third. I have a high speed USB card reader, an M-Audio keyboard, and two iPods connected most of the time -- a 60GB video and a second gen Shuffle. I'm using the first of the Apple white keyboards and a cheap Logitech optical mouse whose name I forget. I have an outrageously large amount of RAM that was all installed at time of purchase. I'm using the original 17" Apple LCD display connected via ADC.

Dunno, any of that ring a bell? What's on yours? Any weird software?

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Not sure either, Ron. My 2.33 C2D MBP runs like a champ on Leopard, I even tested the sleep/wake mode (which I normally don't use) because of all of the problems posted here. Mine wakes and sleeps properly. I also did an "upgrade" not a clean install, so I am probably not much help in your effort to find a cure.

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Did you try a completely new install?

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Ron, if you put the install DVD in and run it, you will see a few little buttons that come up during the install process that offer you options -- one of these has the Erase & Install and Archive & Install options.

You may want to try Archive & Install -- it's been suggested to me that this is what I'll have to do (or an Erase & Install). With Archive & Install you have a fresh copy of the OS, plus a folder with all of your old stuff in it that you can migrate back over, so you don't have to reinstall or recopy everything back onto the computer.

I brought up your iPod sync failing issue and it was suggested that it plus the sleep issue add up to something going really wrong in the upgrade process, but without seeing the machines there was nothing that they could really tell me about it.

So if you have an hour some time this week, try out an Archive & Install. I'll be doing it too.

What I find tremendously funny with my own troubles is that I am one of those guys who would never, ever upgrade his machines immediately -- I'd always wait two or three months for issues to be ironed out. Then, the new OS would go on the laptop first, then the B computer, then the A computer -- a six month process. But because of work I had to upgrade to Leopard essentially right away, on the third or fourth day of release. It kind of justifies my past paranoia.

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Ronald,

Just start like before. Put the install disc in and click Install Mac OS X.
It will reboot. Choose language and when the Welcome screen appears click Continue. The next screen will be the Select a Destination screen. Select your drive/volume to install to BUT! don't click continue, click Options instead. That's were you take a different route from before. The next screen gives you three options to choose from.
1. Upgrade Mac OS X
2. Archive and Install with the option to "Preserve User and Network Settings"
3. Erase and Install

Make your choice, click continue and continue on as before. The next screen should offer a customize button allowing you to choose which printer drivers, additional fonts and language translation you wish to install. Then install your OS. I got this info straight from the Leopard Install and Setup pdf which I got from HERE. Just click the "Manuals" link.

Here's a more organized instruction.

Reinstalling Mac OS X

Under some circumstances, you may need to reinstall Mac OS X. You can reinstall Mac OS X while keeping your files and user settings intact.
To reinstall Mac OS X:
Step 1

Insert the Mac OS X Install Disc and double-click the Install Mac OS X icon.
Step 2

Follow the onscreen instructions. In the pane where you select the destination disk, select your current Mac OS X disk (in most cases, it will be the only one available).
Step 3

Click Options. If you want to save your existing files, users, and network settings, select “Archive and Install,” and then select “Preserve Users and Network Settings.” If you want to erase everything on your computer and reinstall Mac OS X, select “Erase and Install.” You can’t recover erased data.
Step 4

Click Continue.
Step 5

Click Customize to select which parts of Mac OS X you’d like to install, or click Install to perform a basic installation (recommended). Hope this helps.

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Archive is no problem.

iMovie stays the same.

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What's great about Archive and Install is that it makes a fresh, clean install and leaves all your old stuff in a folder called Previous System -- then you can migrate back what you want and delete the rest. You do need enough space on your hard drive to support two OS installs.

Ron -- iMovie '06 is available as a free download at Apple.com for those people buying iLife '08 who cannot run iMovie '06. So if you lose your iMovie '06 (which you should not), you can still download it from Apple.

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It's not erased, but it's not active in your system. To bring items back you can either use the migration assistant and manually get anything that was missed, or just drag items from the old folders into the new ones.

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Delete it when all is safe and updated. Should be all done after a few days.

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Anything that is moved into a created mailbox is 'saved' separately from application.

The Inbox is stored in LIBRARY, which is what you want to back up.

One other option is to backup/clone entire disc, and then clean install, and IMPORT settings and data from backup disc.

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Don't know if same, but there are only 3 install options (with customisation):

Fresh
Archive
Erase

BACKUP first:

If you are having problems - ERASE option (this I believe gives you defrag/complete format).

When you install, it will then ask you if you want to import your existing data from another Mac/drive - do that.

You will then want to run Software Update.
Then go through each 3rd party app, and look for Leopard updates.

I had to revert 1 of my 6 machines because of Filemaker Server 5.5, for FM6 Pro (which is ok under Leopard on the other 5).

Ron,

I have been waiting for you to go Mac since I joined HTF in 99, after reading all of your PC issues. I wish the same for Bill at DBits.

Only too glad to help - that is what the Mac faithful do.

Leopard is very worth it. Apps still crash, but the reporting back to Apple is very smooth now.

I just added 1GB RAM to my G5 tower, and it has sped up things, and caused fans to run quieter!

I still have 2 more issues on 2 machines:

1. iMac will always wake up MUTED. It does the same thing in that location, despite swapping and moving machines, so I suspect some LAN, ethernet factor. IDEAS?

2. TiBook won't go to sleep when told (scheduling). The optical drive is also dead, so I haven't upgraded to 10.5 on it (can do with Firewire direct), and I need a backup machine if my other laptop with FM 5.5 fails. IDEAS (for scheduled sleep - 10.5 did fix others who wanted to stay awake)?

Love the cover flow, better still QUICK LOOK = Apple-Y.

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Ron, for virtually everything that isn't Microsoft Office, you actually can just drag the application into the folder -- many applications are package files just like the iPhoto or Aperture libraries -- they look like one thing but are really a container full of other stuff.

You can also use the Migration Assistant to move things from "your old Mac" on your cloned drive when starting up after your install (or later -- spotlight Migration Assistant).

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Ronald,

If you do an Archive and Install (w/o preserving network and settings) it backs up your full current system to a folder called Previous System.
About the Archive and Install feature
You can then manually move all your files and 3rd party apps to the new system. As for iLife, iWork or MSWorks apps, you could simply install those from the Tiger disk that came with your Mac. If you bought iLife08 or iWork08 obviously install those from those discs.

Apple Support
You can easily use Mails import to import your mail from the backed up application support mail folder out of the Previous System folder. Once you know you have everything restored and working to your liking you can simply delete the Previous System folder eliminating any wasted disc space. One system all fresh.

If you go the external bootable clone backup, Migration assistant can helpbut I've never used it.

P.S. Be aware SuperDuper! still isn't fully Leopard compatable yet. It's passed internal testing, now it goes out to specific testers for external testing before final release. Latest info on SuperDuper HERE.

I have successfully did a full clone backup of my Leopard 10.5.1 system to an external miniStackv2 hard drive and booted from it successfully. Hope all this babble is some help.

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QuickLook plug-ins!

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/11/27/quick...d-zip-plugins/
Find the links for the Folder and ZIP plug-ins in the story. In the comments is a link to an EPS plug-in.

I've got the EPS and Folder QuickLook plug-ins running and they are handy. I've added the ZIP plug-in as well, but it hasn't taken effect. May have to reboot.


EDIT:
Even better ZIP quicklook plug-in: http://macitbetter.com/BetterZipQL-1.0

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After I got my external 250GB miniStackv2 I used it for Time Machine (TM) for a couple of days but TM kept it too active for me so I turned TM off and used Carbon Copy Cloner (CCC) to clone a bootable backup to the miniStack instead. I'm using CCC to keep it updated (smart backup) about every other day (only takes about 5-10 minutes to smart backup). I can hold the Option key during startup and boot from it with no problem (tried it several times). Actually I'm keeping two bootable clones externally, one on the miniStack and one on a Western Digital 250GB My Book Premium. Since I paid for SuperDuper (SD) and used it with Tiger I'll return to using it instead of CCC to keep a bootable clone once a Leopard compatible version comes out.

If you don't want to wait on SD to make a bootable clone and don't feel comfortable using CCC you can still use Disk Utility (DU) to make one (but DU can't do smart updates to the backup that I'm aware).

This is from the Leopard help file

Hope this is helpful.

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Ron, I strongly suggest you plug in an external hard drive and activate Time Machine. You've got it, why not use it? It's an effective and cool backup program. You may also want to use SuperDuper! in conjunction.

Here's comments from the Super Duper guy himself
(http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/ind...s/times_arrow/)

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I'd go with Time Machine. It's already there in Leopard, ready to go. Plug in your USB drive and it will start up.

I've not tried this, but I think that TM works with drives shared on a network. So I think you can also have your MacBook Pro use that hard-drive for Time Machine as well.

And, if you later decide you do want to supplement Time Machine with SuperDuper!, your drive can serve double-duty. Time Machine works around whatever else is stored on a drive.

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For a complete backup that provides a bootable copy of your disk, SuperDuper! is the way to go. Until they put out their Leopard update, the Smart Update feature will not work, but I've continued using it with full backups on several different Macs and have had zero problems. While Time Machine has it's merits--allowing you to restore individual files--it does not provide you with a bootable disk volume...you first have to boot up with your Leopard DVD and select Restore and then wait for the data to copy. The full backup provided by SuperDuper allows you to begin working again instantaneously through the magic of Target Disk Mode.

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Okay I'm getting confused.

I want to make a clone of my HD to another HD so that I can swap out HDs in my MBP and begin using it as if it were the same HD I just swapped out, but with more space. Will SuperDuper allow me to do this? What setting is it that does this? Thanks!