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post #781 of 875
5/8/09 at 7:32am

Re: 24: Season Seven

is it me or has all the sparks gone out of this season after tony switched sides? i feel like it's not so much tony is the baddie but more like the entire plot just came to standstill!
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post #782 of 875
5/8/09 at 8:16am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFonger
is it me or has all the sparks gone out of this season after tony switched sides? i feel like it's not so much tony is the baddie but more like the entire plot just came to standstill!
Absolutely. This season is definitely better than last, but it seems the same thing has happened where they just ran out of story to tell (I think it happened much earlier last season though, like hour 10). I'm actually starting to wonder if this show would work better now as '12' instead of '24'.
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post #783 of 875
5/11/09 at 7:21am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottH
Absolutely. This season is definitely better than last, but it seems the same thing has happened where they just ran out of story to tell (I think it happened much earlier last season though, like hour 10). ...
Try hour five. I remember thinking, "Jack shot Curtis and a nuke was detonated in SoCal. I can't wait to see how they top this." It turned out I could wait ... a very long time. All of the Bauer family drama proved to be a bust.

Regards,
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post #784 of 875
5/11/09 at 10:06am

Re: 24: Season Seven

lulz. i told ya, time to kill off kim bauer... but not before she gives us the bone marrow to save jack's life and reveal to jack that there's a reason for him to LIVE!!! his grandson!
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post #785 of 875
5/11/09 at 4:51pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFonger
lulz. i told ya, time to kill off kim bauer... but not before she gives us the bone marrow to save jack's life and reveal to jack that there's a reason for him to LIVE!!! his grandson!


I think it was his granddaughter, named Teri after his wife.
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post #786 of 875
5/11/09 at 7:12pm
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Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
This season's bodycount:

Redemption (extended cut)
1. prisoner/Kabila
2. James/soldier
3. soldier/Jack
4. soldier/Jack
5. soldier/Jack
6. soldier/Jack
7. soldier/Jack
8. soldier/Jack
9. soldier/Jack
10. soldier/Jack
11. soldier/Jack
12. soldier/Jack
13. soldier/Jack
14. soldier/Benton
15. soldier/Benton
16. soldier/Benton
17. Youssou/Jack
18. Chris/Halcott and Quinn
19. soldier/Benton
20. soldier/Benton
21. soldier/Benton
22. soldier/Benton
23. Benton/landmine
24. soldier/Jack
25. soldier/Jack
26. soldier/Jack
---------------
episode 1
1. Schector/Tanner
2. Ari/Tanner

episode 2
3. Fox/Renee
4. Masters/Jack and Renee

episode 3
none

episode 4
5. Morgan/Emerson
6. security guard/Emerson
7. security guard/Tony

episode 5
none

episode 6
8. Litvak/Tony
9. Emerson/Tony
250 people on Flight 131, 21 people on the commuter jet, the casualties on the ground/Dubaku
10. Samantha/Gedge
11. Nichols' man/Jack
12. Nichols' man/Tony
13. Gedge/Henry

episode 7
14. henchman/Tony
15. henchman/Buchanan
16. henchman/Jack
17. henchman/Jack
18. henchman/Jack
19. Nichols/Renee
20. henchman/Tony
21. henchman/Jack
22. henchman/Jack
23. henchman/Tony
24. henchman/Buchanan
25. henchman/Jack
26. Latham/Dubaku
27. henchman/Dubaku
28. Brunner/Dubaku & toxic gas

episode 8
29. Vossler/Jack
30. Smith/Dubaku's man
31. Masden/Dubaku's man
32. henchman/Jack
33. henchman/Renee
34. henchman/Jack
35. henchman/Jack
36. henchman/Jack
37. Elemu/Jack

episode 9
none

episode 10
38. Marika/car accident
39. Dubaku's driver/Jack
40. Erika/Hillinger

episode 11
41. Dubaku/Udo

episode 12
42. Thompson/Laurent
43. Fynn/Abo
44. secret service agent/Juma's man
45. secret service agent/Juma's man
46. secret service agent/Juma's man
47. secret service agent/Juma's man
48. Meredith/Juma
49. secret service agent/Juma's man
50. secret service agent/Juma's man
51. Laurent/Moss
52. Juma's man/secret service agent
53. secret service agent/Juma's man
54. secret service agent/Juma's man
55. Juma's man/secret service agent
56. secret service agent/Juma's man
57. secret service agent/Juma's man
58. secret service agent/Juma's man
59. Juma's man/secret service agent
60. Juma's man/Pierce

episode 13
61. hostage/Juma
62. Abo/Buchanan
63. Juma's man/Buchanan
64. Juma's man/Buchanan
65. Juma's man/Buchanan
66. Buchanan/explosion
67. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
68. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
69. Juma's man/Jack
70. Juma's man/Jack
71. Juma's man/Jack
72. Juma's man/Jack
73. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
74. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
75. Udo/Pierce
76. Ngozi/Jack
77. Juma/Jack
78. Abozi/FBI strike team member
79. Robert/Quinn
80. Burnett/Quinn

episode 14
81. Senator Mayer/Quinn
82. Quinn/Jack

episode 15
83. Cooper/Jack
84. henchman/Jack
85. henchman/Jack

episode 16
none

episode 17
86. Starkwood soldier/Tony
87. Knowles/Hodges

episode 18
88. Chapman/Tony
89. Starkwood tech/Tony
multiple Starkwood techs/Tony
90. FBI agent/Galvez
91. Davis/Galvez
92. Miller/Galvez
93. Moss/Tony

episode 19
94. Patricia/assassin
95. Stoller/Galvez
multiple FBI agents/Galvez
96. paramedic/Galvez

episode 20
97. FBI agent/Tony
98. FBI agent/Tony
99. Galvez/Tony

episode 21
100. Hodges/assassin
episode 22
101. Franks/Bob

I love that Pierce is trying to expose the truth. Jack beating Tony was well deserved. And I liked Jabraan improvising and saying that he had a bomb to get the bioweapon out of the train station.

While I wasn't surprised that the husband and wife were bad guys, I was pleasantly surprised that the other guy turned out to be an FBI agent working for Jack.

EDIT: Corrected a name in the list.
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post #787 of 875
5/11/09 at 8:09pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by TravisR
Jack beating Tony was well deserved.

I don't think the show earned that moment one bit. Tony is the biggest paint by numbers, shock value villain this show has had in all seven seasons.
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post #788 of 875
5/11/09 at 8:13pm
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Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Atkins
I don't think the show earned that moment one bit. Tony is the biggest paint by numbers, shock value villain this show has had in all seven seasons.
OK but I did.
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post #789 of 875
5/11/09 at 8:20pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by TravisR
OK but I did.

And that's cool. I just had the complete opposite reaction to that scene.
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post #790 of 875
5/11/09 at 8:30pm
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Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Atkins
And that's cool. I just had the complete opposite reaction to that scene.
I think, on its own, the scene works (leaving out how each viewer feels about Tony turning bad*) because you get to see Jack's frustration and anger come out when he confronts his former friend over what he has done.

* Admittedly, the scene doesn't exist in a vacuum so that's not really possible.
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post #791 of 875
5/11/09 at 10:29pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

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you get to see Jack's frustration and anger come out when he confronts his former friend over what he has done.

It struck me that Jack asked why Tony turned on "him" not his country. It reminds me of soldiers behind the line. At some point, they stop fighting for their country (not that they don't care), and they're fighting for their unit. You're fighting to save your life and the life of the guy next to you. Jack is in battle, and Tony is supposed to be the guy next to him -- regardless of what Tony thinks of US politics and policies.

It was pretty resonant and reflective that Jack points out he has nothing left to lose (he does... Kim and his grandson, though not his own life), and Tony ups the ante as a person who really has nothing to lose (his life, but nothing else, in his mind, and losing his life in that situation might be a relief).

It should be a bang up 2-hour finale next week.
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post #792 of 875
5/12/09 at 6:06am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by TravisR
While I wasn't surprised that the husband and wife were bad guys, I was pleasantly surprised that the other guy turned out to be an FBI agent working for Jack.
I first thought the other guy was a bad guy, but then I recognized the actor who was playing the husband.

The main nit I have on the episode is that it took place between 5 AM and 6 AM. Peak service does start at 5 AM, but if they wanted more bang for their buck they would have done the attack at least an hour later.

In addition, Metro Center (or in 24-universe Washington Center) is not the end of the line. It is a major transfer point. There is no way that car would have been emptied out.

Also, where is Kim flying to and why on Earth would she be trying to get out on such an early flight?
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post #793 of 875
5/12/09 at 8:10am

Re: 24: Season Seven

I haven't been particularly happy with this season ever since the
cheap ploy to make Tony a bad guy.

However, last night's episode set up for what should be a really
huge finale that I am greatly looking forward to.
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post #794 of 875
5/12/09 at 11:16am

Re: 24: Season Seven

the Blu-Ray is coming out the day after the season finale.

does this mean hours 23 and 24 will air together next Monday?
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post #795 of 875
5/12/09 at 11:17am
Thread Starter 

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by JediFonger
does this mean hours 23 and 24 will air together next Monday?
Yes.
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post #796 of 875
5/12/09 at 2:44pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Oh, Kim, Kim, Kim...

Didn't your father ever teach you to stay away from cougars?
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post #797 of 875
5/12/09 at 3:25pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by MishaLauenstein
Oh, Kim, Kim, Kim...

Didn't your father ever teach you to stay away from cougars?

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post #798 of 875
5/12/09 at 4:58pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

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where is Kim flying to and why on Earth would she be trying to get out on such an early flight?
Back to Los Angeles. I can see her wanting to get back to her baby as soon as possible. Given that her flight was already delayed an hour (or whatever) at 5am, it's a few hours too early; most service starts around 6am. But since the show blows the roof off the nitpick scale, this one is pretty minor.
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post #799 of 875
5/12/09 at 6:00pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Well, I'm glad I'll be able to see the last 2 episodes on one night, and get it over with.

I do hope there will be a real comeuppance for the Mean Girl, and that Aaron will have a role in that.
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post #800 of 875
5/14/09 at 4:54am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Is it at all possible that Tony is actually good and that he killed Moss because he knew that Moss was a secret traitor?

And, that Tony has had to keep quiet on this for some reason to be revealed next week?
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post #801 of 875
5/14/09 at 5:35am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick_Brown
Is it at all possible that Tony is actually good and that he killed Moss because he knew that Moss was a secret traitor?

And, that Tony has had to keep quiet on this for some reason to be revealed next week?
That would be harder to explain than what we are faced with now. He killed and facilitated others killing a bunch of FBI "redshirts" as well.

Regards,
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post #802 of 875
5/14/09 at 10:57am

Re: 24: Season Seven

How depressing is it that we get a bounce back season of 24 that goes off the rails in the last 6 or so hours with the Tony surprise that will actually have a more significant impact in future seasons? Tony is one of the better characters on the show and now he's done for future seasons. Sure, they'll bring him back from the dark side, death, whatever, but that will only induce more audience eye rolling. They destroyed a good character for a plot arc that sucked. What a waste.
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post #803 of 875
5/14/09 at 11:16am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Campisi
How depressing is it that we get a bounce back season of 24 that goes off the rails in the last 6 or so hours with the Tony surprise that will actually have a more significant impact in future seasons? Tony is one of the better characters on the show and now he's done for future seasons. Sure, they'll bring him back from the dark side, death, whatever, but that will only induce more audience eye rolling. They destroyed a good character for a plot arc that sucked. What a waste.

Couldn't agree more.
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post #804 of 875
5/14/09 at 11:24am

Re: 24: Season Seven

After the Starkwood plot died and Tony turning bad, this season has lost serious steam.
The "faceless" bad guys that want to deploy a bomb in D.C. for some reason that they refuse to tell us.
The "make the muslim the hero" plot they shoe horned in. I am surprized Jack didn't french kiss him on the spot.
Sigh, another crack assassination team at an airport, in the middle of the night, complete with everything the need (video, etc) to force Jack to change sides yet again.
I guess people in the 24 world never sleep, are ready for any plan, no matter how remote, no matter that 1 million things would have to fall into place to make it work (Kim being creeped out, asking strangers for assistance, etc) at a minutes notice.
Why would they waste a minutes worth of their resources on the daughter of some out of work CTU agent?
Their whole plan hinges on some elaborate plot to blackmail Jack?
Wouldn't it have been easier to just have some sniper assassin take Tony out before he gets in the van?
Think about it. Their magic canaster act was a failure, every resource of the government will go to tracking them down, they have maybe a couple of hours to cover their tracks, what do they do?
The bad girl, on her own, sets up this elaborate blackmail scheme for Jack to help them.
What if he didn't have his phone? What if he only talked to people with secure lines?
It just stinks of setting up some crazy season finale that makes no sense.
Man, and I thought the Starkwood stand off was preposterous!?!?
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post #805 of 875
5/14/09 at 12:40pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

meh, i'm just waiting for jack to kick ass and things to get blowed up. that's the whole reason to watch 24 in the 1st place
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post #806 of 875
5/18/09 at 3:50am

Re: 24: Season Seven

Wow. Weak Sauce. That is all. Just.. yeah..

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The deathbed confession to the islamic cleric he met in earlier episodes was weird; but please, no more Kim as a stand in jack chasing around the airport. It took her forever to realize they were the bad guys. Enough already. What a weak ending to the season.
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post #807 of 875
5/18/09 at 11:05am
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Re: 24: Season Seven

Just a heads up, there's two episodes starting at 8 PM tonight.
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post #808 of 875
5/18/09 at 5:27pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

Wow, no love for Bauer?

It's just escapist fare. Accuracy and realism have always been a back seat to the action and suspense with 24. Yeah, you have to check your brain, but just let yourself enjoy it for what it is and not over-analyze it. If you do it's quite fun to watch. I am enjoying the season much more than S6, even with the outrageous plot points.

Can't wait for tonight's closer.
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post #809 of 875
5/18/09 at 5:28pm

Re: 24: Season Seven

I can't be the only one who just started cracking up at Kim's attempt at "Damnit!" can I?
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post #810 of 875
5/18/09 at 7:20pm
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Re: 24: Season Seven

Quote:
This season's bodycount:

Redemption (extended cut)
1. prisoner/Kabila
2. James/soldier
3. soldier/Jack
4. soldier/Jack
5. soldier/Jack
6. soldier/Jack
7. soldier/Jack
8. soldier/Jack
9. soldier/Jack
10. soldier/Jack
11. soldier/Jack
12. soldier/Jack
13. soldier/Jack
14. soldier/Benton
15. soldier/Benton
16. soldier/Benton
17. Youssou/Jack
18. Chris/Halcott and Quinn
19. soldier/Benton
20. soldier/Benton
21. soldier/Benton
22. soldier/Benton
23. Benton/landmine
24. soldier/Jack
25. soldier/Jack
26. soldier/Jack
---------------
episode 1
1. Schector/Tanner
2. Ari/Tanner

episode 2
3. Fox/Renee
4. Masters/Jack and Renee

episode 3
none

episode 4
5. Morgan/Emerson
6. security guard/Emerson
7. security guard/Tony

episode 5
none

episode 6
8. Litvak/Tony
9. Emerson/Tony
250 people on Flight 131, 21 people on the commuter jet, the casualties on the ground/Dubaku
10. Samantha/Gedge
11. Nichols' man/Jack
12. Nichols' man/Tony
13. Gedge/Henry

episode 7
14. henchman/Tony
15. henchman/Buchanan
16. henchman/Jack
17. henchman/Jack
18. henchman/Jack
19. Nichols/Renee
20. henchman/Tony
21. henchman/Jack
22. henchman/Jack
23. henchman/Tony
24. henchman/Buchanan
25. henchman/Jack
26. Latham/Dubaku
27. henchman/Dubaku
28. Brunner/Dubaku & toxic gas

episode 8
29. Vossler/Jack
30. Smith/Dubaku's man
31. Masden/Dubaku's man
32. henchman/Jack
33. henchman/Renee
34. henchman/Jack
35. henchman/Jack
36. henchman/Jack
37. Elemu/Jack

episode 9
none

episode 10
38. Marika/car accident
39. Dubaku's driver/Jack
40. Erika/Hillinger

episode 11
41. Dubaku/Udo

episode 12
42. Thompson/Laurent
43. Fynn/Abo
44. secret service agent/Juma's man
45. secret service agent/Juma's man
46. secret service agent/Juma's man
47. secret service agent/Juma's man
48. Meredith/Juma
49. secret service agent/Juma's man
50. secret service agent/Juma's man
51. Laurent/Moss
52. Juma's man/secret service agent
53. secret service agent/Juma's man
54. secret service agent/Juma's man
55. Juma's man/secret service agent
56. secret service agent/Juma's man
57. secret service agent/Juma's man
58. secret service agent/Juma's man
59. Juma's man/secret service agent
60. Juma's man/Pierce

episode 13
61. hostage/Juma
62. Abo/Buchanan
63. Juma's man/Buchanan
64. Juma's man/Buchanan
65. Juma's man/Buchanan
66. Buchanan/explosion
67. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
68. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
69. Juma's man/Jack
70. Juma's man/Jack
71. Juma's man/Jack
72. Juma's man/Jack
73. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
74. Juma's man/FBI strike team member
75. Udo/Pierce
76. Ngozi/Jack
77. Juma/Jack
78. Abozi/FBI strike team member
79. Robert/Quinn
80. Burnett/Quinn

episode 14
81. Senator Mayer/Quinn
82. Quinn/Jack

episode 15
83. Cooper/Jack
84. henchman/Jack
85. henchman/Jack

episode 16
none

episode 17
86. Starkwood soldier/Tony
87. Knowles/Hodges

episode 18
88. Chapman/Tony
89. Starkwood tech/Tony
multiple Starkwood techs/Tony
90. FBI agent/Galvez
91. Davis/Galvez
92. Miller/Galvez
93. Moss/Tony

episode 19
94. Patricia/assassin
95. Stoller/Galvez
multiple FBI agents/Galvez
96. paramedic/Galvez

episode 20
97. FBI agent/Tony
98. FBI agent/Tony
99. Galvez/Tony

episode 21
100. Hodges/assassin

episode 22
101. Franks/Bob
episode 23
102. airport police officer/Bob
103. airport police officer/Bob
104. businessman/Bob
105. Sarah/airport police officer
106. airport police officer/Bob
107. airport police officer/Bob
108. Bob/airport police officer
109. assistant/Jack
110. assistant/Jack
111. Levinson/Jack

episode 24
112. henchman/FBI agent
113. henchman/FBI agent
114. henchman/FBI agent
115. henchman/Renee
116. Cara/Tony

Jack's totals for the season: He killed 28 people (23 shot, 2 stabbed in the throat and throat slashed with a scalpel, 1 neck break, 1 stabbed with a knife and 1 screwdriver and 2 x 4) and he also killed 15 people in Redemption.

I thought this ending was very good (especially after the slowdown of recent episodes).

I loved Jack and Renee's discussion on the ethics of torture. I liked seeing Pierce and Ethan teaming up to stop Olivia and the President's reaction to the situation. It was fun seeing Chloe and Janis' last scene together. It was real cool seeing Renee turn into Jack with Taylor at the end of the episode. I liked that they subverted my expectation that Jack would kill Tony. I'm glad that they finally wrote Kim as being smart enough to track Bob but not get kidnapped... again.

And while I'm sure it'll be controversial, I don't have any problem accepting that Jack would reach out to an imam (or any holy man) since he thinks he's going to die. With some of terrible things that he's done and having some time to think about his end (rather than just being killed in a gun battle), I completely buy that he would want to talk to someone even if he just met them.

Despite the aforementioned recent slowdown, I think this season was pretty solid overall. It was a big comeback after S6. I'd say that the season falls about in the middle of the show's seasons (better than S1, S3 and S6 but not as good as S2, S4 or S5) and that's pretty damn good for a show in its seventh year.

EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_H
I can't be the only one who just started cracking up at Kim's attempt at "Damnit!" can I?
It runs in the family. Maybe it'll be her baby's first word.

EDIT 2: Made a couple corrections to the list.
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