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Well, she is the president, she's not required to do what her cabinet thinks she should.


Personally, I don't see this as a foreign policy decision, at this point it's trancended that. If it were not for the terrorist involved making demands on the white house, that Sangala situation would be perfectly fine for debate on foreign policy. But now it has become about compliance with terrorist threats.

Contrast this this with Wayne Palmer from last season. When the US was under siege from Islamic Terrorists, some member of his cabinet including the VP strongly reccommended that Wayne go through with the detainment of Muslims. He refused, giving a similar type of speech that the Pres gave in the last episode. Did people consider Wayne "Pig Headed" or "Stupid?" Probably not nearly as much as this Pres is getting, but that's because he made the "politically correct" decision.

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Oops; a few weeks ago, LA city Hall. On Monday, 1-26, they drove into one of the blimp hangars and the now-closed Marine base in Tustin, California (the same Tustin where John Locke used to work at a box company).

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I enjoy 24 for what it is - escapist entertainment that is enjoyed best by not giving in to too much intellectualism. I'm finding this season to be quite engaging.

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I'm enjoying it too, but sometimes there are ridiculous things that could have been executed much better. Perfect example is the two planes crashing together. The "CPI" or whatever device is bad enough, but there is no way that you could cause two planes to crash into each other just by telling them where to fly (TCAS, broad daylight etc.)

Sometimes the writers are just plain lazy. I can buy into unrealistic technology and geography, but some things are just too implausible.

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I don't think most people are aware of TCAS. I wasn't. As for the crash happening in broad daylight, the assumption is the pilots are looking out the window for another plane, and that other plane is in the field of view. Personally, I don't know to what degree commercial airline pilots depend on sight vs instruments. Does a pilot "punch in" a new altitude and the plane itself adjusts to it? I assume there's some automation going on up there to maintain speed, etc. I'm not saying the explanation supports what the writers came up with. I'm suggesting the vast majority of the audience will have such ambiguity about how it all works that a mid-air collision doesn't fall into the category of "oh, come on!" in my book. It's something only people with a fair amount of knowledge on the subject would notice.

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Yeah, pretty much. For most of a normal flight all that really needs to be done is set an altitude, heading, ascent/descent rate, airspeed and the autopilot does the rest. The pilot will make any corrections, and all the pilot really needs to do there is just turn some knobs to correct, and then actually land the plane.

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I can see the yllow covered book now - Jet Airliner Piloting for Dummies

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...and the man in pilot uniform at the airport bookstore holding multiple books and trying to decide whether to purchase "Airline Piloting for Dummies", "Airline Piloting for Klutzes", or "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Airline Piloting".

Regards,

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My DirecTV DVR (or was it Fox?) froze up from minute 38 to about 49.

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Um, it looks like Jack made up for lost time with his "kill count".

After what was probably the slowest episode of the young season last week they definitely made up for it with this one. Excellent episode from start to finish.

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Last week was my favorite so far. The tension was genuine and I certainly didn't know how the situation with the First Man was going to turn out. Though not bad, I thought this week was the weakest do far. It was so easy for the bad guy to threaten on of his underlings family. Shades of worst ever season 3 when a villian willing to kill millions balks when his daughter might be in danger. Terrorist Tip: Before you set about slaughtering the masses, don't allow yourself to be put in the position of whimpering over your loved ones.

Once again the bad guys are using computers to wreak havok mainly because it is much less expensive to show on TV. Once again Chloe can see anything anywhere in 3-D in order to keep her in the mix. I hope we don't have to watch Hillary sweat over deciding her husbands fate for too many episodes but this seasons rapid clip has kept any aspect of the plot from getting tiresome.

Pluses include Garafolo's character which keeps getting better and the difficulty in reading Tony' private thoughts.

And of course lasanga. Mmmm...lasanga.

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It seems that the undercover operation was a big bust in all. They let the device get into Dubaku's hands in order to be able to catch him and he gets away after wreaking havok with the device. All in all they didn't really accomplish anything. Though I suppose without Tony being undercover Emerson might have been able to have pulled off getting the device in the first place and the operation did eliminate that.

With the President's husband captured maybe there will be a little more evidence to point that there are people in the government who can't be trusted. Now what could turn secret service personnel to backing Dubaku? Somehow, I find that the least likely bit of the plot.

I really liked the expression of Dubaku while his "girlfriend" was talking to him and right after that. She "never suspected a thing. He was such a nice man."

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That wasn't an underling. He was a civilian who was kidnapped (by Tony) in the very first scenes of the season.

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This was the episode with the least of my nitpicks! Hurray!

The main bad guy, Dubaku? , wasted too much time with the elaborate bomb, he would have been more successful lying in wait behind the guy and getting the jump on Jack and company.

Of course, the cliche of the bad guy walking casually out (think of the Mummy guy in an earlier season) of the building still is used.

Jack should train the police and emergency services on how to arrive on a scene in minutes instead of an hour. I live in an modestly populated area, not as big as D.C. and if I call the cops for an emergency, someone will be there in 5 minutes tops.

This master villian from an African village sure knows his way around a server room and specialty bombs.

And of course he can pull the strings of these Secret Service agents. Something tells me that if the faction of the government is working with the bad guys, they wouldn't allow this rogue leader on American soil, giving anyone orders.

Bad Secret Service Guy - Hello Boss, Dubaki is ordering me to bring the First Dude to him.
Voight - Do whatever he tells you, he must know what he is doing.


Am I missing something, what is in it for these splinter government group (Voight)?

When I watched Redemption, they made it seem like Voight had some business interests in it. This cluster-f would have him showing the time out sign and cleaning up this circus. We are talking high treason, electric chair stuff. For what?

All of us 24 vets know that the real villian has yet to make their appearance.

And is anyone else getting tired of Garafalo's facial expressions yet?

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I was pleasantly surprised that they rescued the Sangala PM so quickly. That's moving at a rapid pace and not dragging things out. Sure Dubaku escaped, but that's tolerable at this point.

It'll be interesting to see if the PM can make it to the President safely. I've said it before in this thread, but we had another few moments created just so the conspiracy folks can keep the upper hand.

1) Apparently the President doesn't have his own cell phone. No problem. He can't get into the SS Agent's cell phone either because of a lock code. Still fine. But what about his son's fiance? No cell phone there? No landline in the condo? Nah, let's just go running into the hall instead of calling someone when you've already seen there's a plot to kill you. Nice that nobody responded to a door being battered down, and he was just able to walk out of the building with the First Gentleman without coming across anyone.

2) When the PM calls the President, the extent of him informing her that there are people within her administration who can't be trusted is to say that he wants to meet with her in private. Seriously? You're on the phone with the president, know people in her administration can't be trusted, and you don't bother to let her know while talking to her. Even if she doesn't believe you, at least you'll have put the doubt in her head so she'll be more careful. She did say limit the information that he's coming, but she doesn't know the degree to which that information must be limited, because she doesn't understand the danger.

"Promise you'll turn yourself in when this is over."
"Um yeah, sure, Jack. Whatever." (OK, so that's not a quote.)

That said, I'm not into the kill counts, but the pace of the episode felt about right to me. Quite exciting, and I like the characters.

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How about where Dubaku was on the phone with the Secret Service guy telling him "not to kill" Taylor, but to "bring him to me" on a public train/bus with someone in the frame right behind him. Guess the "If you see something, say something" motto doesn't exist in the 24 universe.

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I found that quite realistic. Purely as a survival mechanism, you have to learn to tune out people's cell phone chatter when you ride public transportation. Otherwise you'll go mad (or to jail for assault).

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Still, from Dubaku perspective, you have be thinking of what you're involved in and you have everyone after you, you might want to cut the "Taylor" "Don't kill him, bring him to me" chatter in a very public place.

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I'm with you on that one. In fact to me the show gets dragged down anytime they show the FBI office or the Oval Office. Not caring for anyone in either place. But I'm loving the "A-Team".

And of course the line to beat all lines in any season: "Everything will be ok, Jack Bauer will be here soon"

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I am 100% sure that his backstory would be an Oxford education (like Bin Laden) but in this universe, he was introduced as someone living in a camp in Africa(?) now we are to beleive he is ordering Secret Service, employees that are probably checked, then checked again, knows every place to attack, knows when and how to shut everything down and escape.

Its ok, just put a background white guy in a suit with moussed hair and that will explain everything.

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Ah, the aroma of freshly opened socket....

He was in a camp commanding his troops in his own native (yes, African) country during the coup. That says practically nothing about his back-story, unless I forgot a scene.

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Note the poster said "...would be..." not "is". From the way I was reading it, he was making an educated guess, nothing more and I would agree. How many third world military types get educated in the West and then become thugs in their own country? Dubaku could very well be that type.

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I wonder how the ratings are this year.
This has to be the most quiet a 24 thread has been, in season, ever.
Used to be, after a new show was aired, there would be pages of posts.

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It could be because of the Monday night competition. A good number of people may be watching Heroes live and recording 24 for later in the week. Monday night is real busy. By the way, there is supposed to be a Presidential address this coming Monday at 8PM EST. Tentatively, I think FOX is going to postpone House, but nothing is set yet.

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I do the exact opposite. Of course that means not being able to watch "Heroes" in HD. While I like both shows, "24" wins. Monday is an embarrasment of riches for me, four of my favorite show between 8 - 11.

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24 is the only show I actually watch as it airs. Everything else is viewed later via DVR. I just have to watch Jack Bauer in "real time".