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post #121 of 415

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Arod just basically issued a public mea culpa in which he confirms he has reached out to the Yankees and the Steinbrenner family. It should be interesting to see how these contract negotiations proceed from here, but I expect him back as a Yankee. As I stated earlier, I have no ill feelings towards Arod and will never fault a man from trying to maximize his earnings potential.

In a statement released by Rodriguez he said he and his wife Cynthia have spoken directly with Hank and Hal Steinbrenner.

It is absolutely clear, however, that the negotiations -- which never really got started last month -- are now on-going, and agent Scott Boras is not part of the dialogue.

"Alex reached out to the Yankees, and he made it clear he wants to be a Yankee," said one source. "He understands what has to be done."

Rodriguez released the following statement on his Web site.

"After spending time with Cynthia and my family over these last few weeks, it became clear to me that I needed to make an attempt to engage the Yankees regarding my future with the organization.

"Prior to entering into serious negotiations with other clubs, I wanted the opportunity to share my thoughts directly with Yankees' ownership. We know there are other opportunities for us, but Cynthia and I have a foundation with the club that has brought us comfort, stability and happiness.

"As a result, I reached out to the Yankees through mutual friends and conveyed that message. I also understand that I had to respond to certain Yankees concerns, and I was receptive and understanding of that situation.

"Cynthia and I have since spoken directly with the Steinbrenner family. During these healthy discussions, both sides were able to share honest feelings and hopes with one another, and we expect to continue this dialogue with the Yankees over the next few days," he said.



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3109894





Crawdaddy
post #122 of 415

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What an unusual situation.

Can't remember the last time Boras got "beat" in the art of the deal.
post #123 of 415

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Last year with Matsuzaka, arguably - he was looking to get twice what he did.

I also suspect that this works in Boras's & A-Rod's favor, in terms of dealing with other teams - that in order to get a big deal with another team, the Yankees need to be part of the equation. Up until yesterday, it basically looked like the Angels were the only suitor; now they have two big wallets to play against each other.
post #124 of 415

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
Last year with Matsuzaka, arguably - he was looking to get twice what he did.

I also suspect that this works in Boras's & A-Rod's favor, in terms of dealing with other teams - that in order to get a big deal with another team, the Yankees need to be part of the equation. Up until yesterday, it basically looked like the Angels were the only suitor; now they have two big wallets to play against each other.
Jason,
I think it's past that type of negotiation strategy. I doubt another team jumps in at this point.
post #125 of 415

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it'll be interesting to see what kind of opt-out powers each side will have for this contract
post #126 of 415

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I think it's a ploy to drum up the price. The Yankees have to be involved to drive the price up.
post #127 of 415

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Originally Posted by Shane Martin
I think it's a ploy to drum up the price. The Yankees have to be involved to drive the price up.
We'll find out soon enough because if a deal is reached before Thanksgiving then it wasn't so.
post #128 of 415

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a while back there was talk that Santana might get traded to the Yanks. without Clemens and Petite, they NEED a star pitcher... though Chamberlain would be a big price to pay.
post #129 of 415

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I cannot imagine they'd give up Chamberlain for anyone...including Johan Santana.
post #130 of 415

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As an Angel fan, I was really hoping they would get ARod. If he does indeed go back to New York, I suppose LAA would have to get involved in the Cabrera talk. And I still contend that a mid-range 1-year deal with some incentives to Bonds would be a worthwhile addition (assuming he would take it of course).
post #131 of 415

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
No news that involves the Yankees potentially resigning Rodriguez is good news. The man is too damn good at playing baseball for me to want him on the Yankees.

I agree he plays well during the season but he still chokes in the post. Also with his "I am a star" attitude he doesn't help to create a team atmosphere. With the Sox they have had that machine like team feel for their last two World Series victories.
post #132 of 415

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Originally Posted by Jassen M. West
I agree he plays well during the season but he still chokes in the post. Also with his "I am a star" attitude he doesn't help to create a team atmosphere. With the Sox they have had that machine like team feel for their last two World Series victories.
He didn't always struggle during the playoffs and anybody that has watched baseball for any length of time knows that a player of his caliber will breakout again in the playoffs.
post #133 of 415

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Looks like A Rod agreed to a 10 yr deal worth 275 million.

Catcher Yorvit Torreabla agreed to a 3 yr deal worth 14.4 million with the Mets.
post #134 of 415

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It is absolutely clear, however, that the negotiations -- which never really got started last month -- are now on-going, and agent Scott Boras is not part of the dialogue.

Was Boras fired? I thought it was against the CBA for a player to negotiate with ownership if the player had an agent.
post #135 of 415

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Originally Posted by Brian Perry
Was Boras fired? I thought it was against the CBA for a player to negotiate with ownership if the player had an agent.
No, he wasn't fired just told to sit in the corner and give legal advice when asked to while the Yankees, Goldman Sachs (majority partner in YES Network) and Arod workout a deal in which all parties can make a bundle of money in the next ten years. As a baseball fan, I can't quantify the reasoning behind the Yankees giving Arod this big of a contract after Arod opts out and comes back with his hat in his hand. However, I bet you the financial/marketing experts for the Yankees and the YES network can. Also, the Bonds headlines today just made Arod value go up even further for them.
post #136 of 415

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My guess is that this offer was similar to what they were going to offer him before he opted out.
post #137 of 415

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Originally Posted by Marvin
My guess is that this offer was similar to what they were going to offer him before he opted out.

Probably similar, yes. Which makes the loss--to the Yankees--of the Ranger money--all that much more mystifying. I wonder if the Yankees will be able to "hold that against him" as it pertains to the final deal in any way?
post #138 of 415

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Probably similar, yes. Which makes the loss--to the Yankees--of the Ranger money--all that much more mystifying. I wonder if the Yankees will be able to "hold that against him" as it pertains to the final deal in any way?
Mike,
From what I read on this situation which is alot, the Yankees were going to offer him up to 29-30M for those seven extended years. Furthermore, there was an escalation clause for the remaining three years of the original contract in which the salaries for 2009 & 2010 would've increased for those two seasons. I remember the final value for the 3 years plus 7 extended years would've been 300M.

This new contract calls for an average base salary of 27.5M per season with much of the salary backloaded. Also, we don't know how much money might be defer which is another way Arod could save the Yankees some money. Somehow, someway, I think both parties got what they wanted and something they can live with.
post #139 of 415

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So I guess A-Rod takes a bit of a hit for opting out. Thanks, Robert.

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Somehow, someway, I think both parties got what they wanted and something they can live with.

And why do I think Boras had a much more active part in orchestrating this whole thing than all parties are admitting?

He's still going to have a tough road ahead of him as the "highest paid player." The public and press will always look at him differently because of that...and that, I think, is what gets into his head. The expectations for him are just, well, different.

I was amazed that the Daily News a couple of days ago--on its front cover--mocked the letter A-Rod released with his wife about the strong foundation they had in New York which was leading to their return. They, instead, insinuated that there were likely 275 million other reasons which were contributing to their return.

Such a talented player, but it seems like everything he does is a public relations nightmare.
post #140 of 415

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
So I guess A-Rod takes a bit of a hit for opting out. Thanks, Robert.



And why do I think Boras had a much more active part in orchestrating this whole thing than all parties are admitting?

He's still going to have a tough road ahead of him as the "highest paid player." The public and press will always look at him differently because of that...and that, I think, is what gets into his head. The expectations for him are just, well, different.

I was amazed that the Daily News a couple of days ago--on its front cover--mocked the letter A-Rod released with his wife about the strong foundation they had in New York which was leading to their return. They, instead, insinuated that there were likely 275 million other reasons which were contributing to their return.

Such a talented player, but it seems like everything he does is a public relations nightmare.
Even agents as great as Boras make mistakes from time to time. He screwed up in this situation and there's no way of getting around that.
post #141 of 415

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Even agents as great as Boras make mistakes from time to time. He screwed up in this situation and there's no way of getting around that.

Yeah. I don't know how much A-Rod had to do with the announcement during the World Series, but between the two of them you'd think they could come up with a single ounce of respect for the game that pays their salaries. I don't know of one person, including Yanks fans, who didn't think that was bush league. Start off with that move and its no wonder Boras continued to drop the ball on this one.
post #142 of 415

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I don't know if locking in $27.5M/year for the rest of one's career necessarily counts as "dropping the ball". It's not quite the contract they might have hoped for, but there's also still time for the Angels to make an offer.

Seriously, if A-Rod and Boras have managed to lock that sort of money in for playing baseball at the age of 41 - about the same as what he would have made for the next three years, and almost undoubtedly more than he would have made for the seven years after - they've done pretty darn well.
post #143 of 415

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From what I read today, Warren Buffet was instrumental in getting A-Rod in touch with the Goldman executives who ultimately brokered the deal. I think Boras was fired, though they might allow him to save face in some way.
post #144 of 415

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Glavine is back with the Braves. 1 year, $8-million.

Rivera will be back with Yanks but doesn't get his fourth year. 3 years, $45-million.

Still don't know what Boras' status is with A-Rod, but Kenny Rogers fired his a$$.

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The Tigers have been busy since the season ended, exercising the option on Ivan Rodriguez's contract to keep him behind the plate, trading for shortstop Edgar Renteria and outfielder Jacque Jones and re-signing closer Todd Jones.

Detroit wanted to include bringing back Rogers in the flurry of deals, but Boras informed the ballclub that he and Rogers were going to explore other options.

That conflicted statements Rogers made throughout the season about wanting to pitch for the Tigers, if the 43-year-old starter chose not to retire.
post #145 of 415

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The Angels traded Orlando Cabrera to the White Sox for Jon Garland. Interesting move. It either opens up SS for Brandon Wood or it gives them the added pitching to make a move for Miguel Cabrera. Right now, I like the move but if it turns out to be all they do...
post #146 of 415

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Mike Lowell turned down more years to stay with the Red Sox. 3 yrs 37.5 million.
post #147 of 415

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Originally Posted by Shane Martin
Mike Lowell turned down more years to stay with the Red Sox. 3 yrs 37.5 million.

Woo-freakin'-hoo! That's the news I've been waiting for since the season's end! Nice.

Seems like a good deal for the player and the club, too.

And I guess some guy named Rodriguez won the AL MVP?!
post #148 of 415

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba..._for_45_m.html
Mo re-signs with the Yanks.

While I think Mo is definite for the HOF, I was concerned this year that his saves seemed to become more difficult (difficult by Mo standards).
I'd love to see him come up with a 3rd pitch. A curve or a splitter perhaps. Something that changes planes up and down on the way in to the hitter.
It looks like hitters had figured out how to make contact with his other pitches.
Again, I am applying standards that are not meant for mere mortals. I am truly spoiled.
post #149 of 415

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The Cubs may be close to being sold...their team president just quit to go work for the Chicago Blackhawks.
post #150 of 415

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Please let it be Mark Cuban... Baseball needs him, and not the Friend Of Bud presumed to be the front-runner.
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