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I'm very tempted to preface the title of The Jazz Singer with the words "A George Feltenstein Production."

This newly minted DVD boxed set is a monolithic affair.

The centerpiece is, of course, the 1927 Warner production starring Al Jolson, that introduced sound to the moviegoing masses via a double system of a projector synchronized with a large format turntable. The discs themselves are fashioned after the Vitaphone discs.

With whites aglow, which always made me think of this as a late orthochromatic production -- whether it is or is not, I'm not certain, The Jazz Singer has never looked more sumptuous.

But in typical Feltensteinian methodology, that isn't what this boxed set is about, as the centerpiece is an 89 minute black & white production offered in standard definition and no multi-track offerings to take up space.

What this set brings to the table is a bit of Jolson, combined with a huge series of Vitagraph short films, some previously available as part of the Vitagraph laser boxed set, while a third disc gives us multiple documentaries regarding sound and the history of sound at WB, as seen over the past decades.

For the aficionado of the early sound film, The Jazz Singer boxed set is the "stuff that dreams are made of."

The Jazz Singer is Extremely Highly Recommended.

RAH

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post #2 of 59

Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

Mr. Harris, after a trying day, you've made my night! Nice to see this get the approval. I was excited when this was announced mainly cause I always kinda enjoyed "The Jazz Singer". When they announced all those shorts and the documentary, my jaw dropped. I've had this on pre-order since it was available to do so, much like the "Mickey Rooney & Judy Garland" collection which just arrived and I am yet to dip in to.

Curious to get your opinion on the sound, it was my understanding that Warner got their hands on un-played Vitaphone discs for the feature.
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Thanks for RAH's comments. I'm currently working my way through the Rooney/Garland collection which is a contender for the collection of the year, but it sounds like THE JAZZ SINGER collection may supplant it.

I'm very anxious to get this collection. The great majority of these shorts will be new to me and it will be a wonderful learning experience going through them as well as the documentaries. One of the great joys of being a classic film fan is learning about the history of the films and the studios who made them.

I'm also interested in reading thoughts on the sound and am also with the understanding that original mint discs were used. There was a report in the silent movies newsgroup about a possible sound anomolies. Quoting from the post from "Gerbonzo":

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During the scene where JACK ROBIN is at the train station writing a letter to MARY, the sound track pauses while the letter insert is shown and seems to be out of sync throughout the scene where he is told that he is going to NEW YORK to appear in a big Broadway review.
The train scene fades out and we see the title card that says "THE CANTOR'S SIXTIETH BIRTHDAY" and 'GIVE MY REGARDS TO BROADWAY is still playing on the soundtrack. During the scene where JACK/JAKIE is reunited with his mother, the music cues are not quite where they used to be.

Then when there was the reel change for the synchronous sound section for the "BLUE SKIES" sequence-where we used to have dead sound while Jolson led his mother to the piano to start singing-the music seems to "blend" into Bert Fiske's piano intro to the song. Not quite the same
as we remember.

Same type of thing seems to happen before the big finale scene where Jolson sings "MAMMY". The film looks sharp in 95% of the transfer and sound is the clearest I have heard outside of the TURNER/RHINO Jolson disc of 11 years ago.

This poster does state that he viewed an advance copy so perhaps this was not the final version. In any case, minor quibbles aside this looks to be a 5 star release that I look forward to adding to my collection with hopes that sales will warrant more Vitaphone era releases.

Steve
post #4 of 59

Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

Mr. Harris, it's Vitaphone- Vitagraph was an early studio in NYC, and WB's sound system got its name because it was based at the old Vitagraph studios.
post #5 of 59
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Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

To Mr. Ellis,

I caught this shortly after I pressed the submit button, and it was corrected early this morning. Thank you, however, for you annotation.

I originally typed Vitagraph, as it was also the Warner storage facility in Brooklyn, NY.

RAH
post #6 of 59

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LOL. I might not have even noticed the mistake. I want to thank Mr. Harris again for his take on what is sure to be an A+ Warner/Feltenstein production. I will be getting this when its released on the 16th.
post #7 of 59

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This shall be going onto my Ray Regis Memorial shelf.
post #8 of 59

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Originally Posted by Jonathan-S
It was also reported on the same newsgroup that the first batch of pressings have an error in the extras. Instead of a second clip from GOLD DIGGERS OF BROADWAY (as indicated on the menu) the lab apparently selected THE ROGUE SONG ballet by mistake. This was discovered too late and Warner decided to let the early pressings go out rather than hold up the release by two months. Apparently, all future pressings will be corrected and Warner will supply replacements of incorrect ones on request.

Personally, I'd rather have THE ROGUE SONG ballet anyway, so this may be one occasion where incorrect pressings are sought-after!

I can't verify any of this information - perhaps Mr Harris or anyone who has the discs can confirm or deny it.

If Warner does a replacement, they should include the Rogue Song as well so people won't lose anything.
post #9 of 59

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I'm glad I ordered it.
I mean I was very glad to being able to order this set when I did, but now I even more happy.

Thanks, Robert Harris for this piece of info - and thanks, George Feltenstein / Warner Bros. for this product!


Cees
post #10 of 59

Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

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Originally Posted by Jonathan-S
It was also reported on the same newsgroup that the first batch of pressings have an error in the extras. Instead of a second clip from GOLD DIGGERS OF BROADWAY (as indicated on the menu) the lab apparently selected THE ROGUE SONG ballet by mistake. This was discovered too late and Warner decided to let the early pressings go out rather than hold up the release by two months. Apparently, all future pressings will be corrected and Warner will supply replacements of incorrect ones on request.

Personally, I'd rather have THE ROGUE SONG ballet anyway, so this may be one occasion where incorrect pressings are sought-after!

So what should the "Finale" of Gold Diggers look like? Since my review copy has a ballet, I assume that's the goofed-up "Rogue Song", but I want to be sure...
post #11 of 59
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Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

Tip Toe was the intended clip.

RAH
post #12 of 59

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris
Tip Toe was the intended clip.

RAH
Yep, we need to be careful that just because some information is posted on the internet on some newsgroup, it doesn't necessary mean it's correct information.





Crawdaddy
post #13 of 59

Re: A few words about...™ The Jazz Singer -- in Vitaphone audio

When I hit "Tip Toe..." it plays a long stage production number that doesn't sound like it's that song (assuming this movie's "Tip Toe..." is the same as the one Tiny Tim did). When I hit "Finale" it goes to a ballet number.

It's my guess that "Tip Toe" is actually "Finale" mislabeled and "Finale" is the Rogue Song ballet. Sound right?
post #14 of 59

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i was asking for a review, and it was right under my nose...can't wait until Tuesday
post #15 of 59

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I have the Jazz Singer on pre order and its just shipped!! I hope to get it in the next few days. Anyone else have it yet and can comment on the print, the doc, and the supliments?
post #16 of 59

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Originally Posted by Richard Matich
I have the Jazz Singer on pre order and its just shipped!! I hope to get it in the next few days. Anyone else have it yet and can comment on the print, the doc, and the supliments?

Pic and sound quality very good given age and whatnot. Documentary is great - extras terrific overall!

http://www.dvdmg.com/jazzsinger.shtml
post #17 of 59

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Thanks for that link. I found it very informative. Cheers!
post #18 of 59

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Here is the Savant review:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s2435jazz.html
post #19 of 59

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Having seen the film and a handful of Vitaphone shorts last night on TCM (for the very first time, btw), I have to say I think the film is a bit better than some give it credit for. It's the wealth of bonus material that really makes the set, and George Feltenstein and company absolutely deserve kudos for their work on one of WB's landmark productions. I really have to wait on this set because I have other priority DVD (and film) investments that I am watching out for.
post #20 of 59

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This is one release that I was more interested in the extra's more than the film (though I like the film) an they do not dissapoint, they are GREAT. In watching the documentary it was great to see Anita Page (although it was an archival interview). I would love to see that entire interview one day as she is one of the few surviving silent / early stars sound from a major studio who is still around. Also listening to Leatrice Fountain (who looks great but is not getting any younger) I hope they do a box set of her father's films so she can be involved he REALLY deserves one.
post #21 of 59

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For some reason, Amazon has not shipped my order. They usually ship pre-orders on Monday and I get them on Wednesday. Anyone else having trouble getting this title from Amazon?
post #22 of 59

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Originally Posted by Paul McElligott
For some reason, Amazon has not shipped my order. They usually ship pre-orders on Monday and I get them on Wednesday. Anyone else having trouble getting this title from Amazon?

I pre-ordered mine last week via Amazon, and I just received it an hour ago.

Maybe it means that there has been higher than expected demand. That's certainly good news if true!

What a beautiful set! I can't wait to start through some of the extras tonight.
post #23 of 59

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Eric, to veer a bit off topic, it looks like you are famous. According to the news flashes on the front page of the forum's web site, you have been appointed to a prestigious position at Blockbuster. Congrats!
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Originally Posted by Dave B Ferris
Eric, to veer a bit off topic, it looks like you are famous. According to the news flashes on the front page of the forum's web site, you have been appointed to a prestigious position at Blockbuster. Congrats!

That would be an amazing piece of news, primarily since I have not set foot in a Blockbuster for almost 10 years.
post #25 of 59

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Originally Posted by Keith Paynter
Having seen the film and a handful of Vitaphone shorts last night on TCM (for the very first time, btw), I have to say I think the film is a bit better than some give it credit for.

Who's not giving it enough credit? Heck, I raved about it and gave it an "A+" for supplements - I hardly ever rate extras that highly!
post #26 of 59

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Who's not giving it enough credit? Heck, I raved about it and gave it an "A+" for supplements - I hardly ever rate extras that highly!

The general critical consensus has usually been that "The Jazz Singer" would be totally forgotten today if it weren't for its technical innovations. And that's too harsh an assessment to my mind. I always view any film, no matter what year in which it was made, through the eyes of its era. And I find "The Jazz Singer" to be a brisk, compelling story well-told and well-directed by Alan Crosland. It's certainly maudlin at times and very sentimental but I find unabashed sentiment refreshing at a time when it's so out of fashion. I was tearing up at one point while viewing it at the Motion Picture Academy the other night.

The Jazz Singer is a relic, but unlike so many other octogenarian films, it's one that still offers plenty of entertainment for those who aren't afraid to meet it on its own terms and view it all in perspective.
post #27 of 59

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Originally Posted by Eric Peterson
Maybe it means that there has been higher than expected demand. That's certainly good news if true!

When I checked the Amazon rankings this morning, The Jazz Singer was in the Top 25 (all DVDs).

Oddly enough, if you check the Classics only category, you will NOT see it as Amazon lists it under Drama, Musical and Special Interest but not under Classics! Go figure!
post #28 of 59

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Who's not giving it enough credit? Heck, I raved about it and gave it an "A+" for supplements - I hardly ever rate extras that highly!

"As for this person, though, I think it’s a pretty dull flick." (from your review, Colin)

I was referring to the film itself. I have high praise for the efforts put into the supplements, evn though I haven't seen the disc yet. I went on air on our local talk radio, not having seen this release, but I rated it well worth owning for the supplements, but I did say that the consensus is that it's a good film, not a great film. Seeing it on TCM yesterday confirmed that for me.

Feltenstein has proved time and time again that Warner Home Video can brilliantly market its back catalogue.
post #29 of 59

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I doubt this is representative of all Best Buys, but at my local store last night, there were none of these sets out for display in their heavy traffic "new release" areas. They also were not to be found in their under-stocked "musicals" section. Instead, they were quietly tucked away in the drama section.

I understand they probably had a bit more of a demand for Transformers and Planet Terror last night...

...but let's give this package it's due.
post #30 of 59

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon
Instead, they were quietly tucked away in the drama section.
Same thing at my Best Buy but they did have one of those price tags that hang off the rack (as opposed to the regular one that just slides into the rack) so they did have some promotion.
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