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Are you buying Leopard?

post #1 of 86
10/1/07 at 1:22pm
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It's October and Leopard (OS X 10.5) is due this month (though no release date has been given yet). What are your plans for upgrading?

- Buy date of release.
- Buy within the month.
- Wait a year.
- Never. I hate spots.
- I run Windows, what am I doing this thread?


I'll buy it almost certainly within a month of release, and hopefully within a week. I'll get the Family pack and upgrade my machine as soon as I can get backups done. My wife's machine will be later this Fall, to not conflict with current (and hopeful) freelance work.

Here's hoping I'm seeing spots sooner than later!
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post #2 of 86
10/1/07 at 1:42pm

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

I'll probably end up buying it if and when enough people complain... I maintain a few ports of unix software.
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post #3 of 86
10/1/07 at 3:27pm

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I typically wait for the second round, as in 10.5.2 to upgrade.
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post #4 of 86
10/1/07 at 3:42pm

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Yes and probably pretty soon after its release.
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post #5 of 86
10/1/07 at 3:52pm

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I wait a few weeks checking any reviews, comments, bug complaints I can run accross.
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post #6 of 86
10/1/07 at 4:51pm

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I'll grab it as soon as I can...which will likely be a few weeks after release.
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post #7 of 86
10/1/07 at 5:19pm

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Day And Date for me always. On many occasions I have a GM installed before hand.
Apple's candidate builds are light years ahead of Windows finals as far as stability is concerned. The current 559 has only 2 known issues. HP printers and archive install are non issues here.

To me, the significant shift in this release is it's lack of major changes in the system. Time machine is interesting, but will also create quite a bit of overhead in the system and drive space if it runs for a given length of time. A normal backup routine would negate using it at all for many users.

The rest is gloss, and a few much needed improvements to Mail and the Safari. Any true performance boost requires a very new machine, and more memory - always more memory.

You could view Apple as turning away from the system for i products, or perhaps Tiger is so strong, there's little to do but update and shine. Either way, the excitement for this release is the lowest I can remember.
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post #8 of 86
10/1/07 at 5:48pm

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Since the Boot Camp beta expires when Leopard is released, anyone who wants to continue using it must upgrade.

CJ
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post #9 of 86
10/1/07 at 7:04pm
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Re: Are you buying Leopard?

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Originally Posted by ErichH
Time machine is interesting, but will also create quite a bit of overhead in the system and drive space if it runs for a given length of time. A normal backup routine would negate using it at all for many users.
That's interesting. My assumed plan was to use Time Machine for my normal backup routine.


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Since the Boot Camp beta expires when Leopard is released, anyone who wants to continue using it must upgrade.
How owuld that work? Leopard release date can't be pre-programmed into my BootCamp setup. Will Apple send a poison pill in a 10.4.11 system update?
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post #10 of 86
10/1/07 at 7:36pm

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Well I probably would have bought it within a few weeks of release but I just sold my PowerBook so I am Mac-less.

I plan on buying a new Mac after MacWorld SF but by then I am sure all hardware will be shipping with 10.5.

-Keith
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post #11 of 86
10/2/07 at 2:00am

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

It has been on preorder for 2 months now.

MacZone beat out everyone by $50 or more.

Went for the family pack, though knowing Apple, there will
probably be no registration number on the single pack that
allows installation on multiple machines. Give me kudos for
having some software morals.
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post #12 of 86
10/2/07 at 4:59am

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
It has been on preorder for 2 months now.

MacZone beat out everyone by $50 or more.

Went for the family pack, though knowing Apple, there will
probably be no registration number on the single pack that
allows installation on multiple machines. Give me kudos for
having some software morals.


Ron, you have fine morals. Yet again, there will be no license on retail system software, but there's nothing wrong with supporting Apple.
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post #13 of 86
10/2/07 at 9:17am

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Originally Posted by Christ Reynolds
Since the Boot Camp beta expires when Leopard is released, anyone who wants to continue using it must upgrade.
The only thing that won't work anymore is creating a bootcamp partition and burning the CD with drivers. Booting into Windows should not be affected, AFAIK.

-Christian
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post #14 of 86
10/2/07 at 1:04pm

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Originally Posted by Christian Behrens
The only thing that won't work anymore is creating a bootcamp partition and burning the CD with drivers. Booting into Windows should not be affected, AFAIK.

-Christian
Hmm, then I received incorrect information. Guess I didn't think about it either.

CJ
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post #15 of 86
10/2/07 at 1:14pm
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Any particular feature you're most looking forward to in Leopard? I'm most interested in Time Machine. I'll also be able to upgrade my wife's system from 10.3, giving her access to the Airport Extreme-connected hard drive.

I'm on the fence about buying an external monitor (for my MBP). If Leopard introduces Resolution Independence, that would be a strong push towards a high-resolution monitor.
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post #16 of 86
10/2/07 at 5:06pm

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I'm really looking forward to Spaces. Even with a 24" monitor, I find I don't have enough desktop space.

CJ
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post #17 of 86
10/2/07 at 6:08pm
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That's one of those tools that's so neat looking, I wish I had reason to use it (But virtual desktops never really helped me). How do you think you'll use it? What sort of projects do you have going concurrently?

Maybe I need a "practice" space, so I don't go online instead of practicing my presentation ...
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post #18 of 86
10/2/07 at 6:13pm

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I just returned my MBP to Amazon as the Superdrive was acting a little wonky, so I'm curious how this will work out with Leopards release being just around the corner. I hear they have a great return policy (full refund usually with no restocking fee), and the refund will probably take a few weeks in which I'll then buy another one from them. Hopefully this one will have Leopard preinstalled on it, or perhaps they'll throw the discs in the box (if it's an earlier week build).
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post #19 of 86
10/2/07 at 11:09pm

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

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the significant shift in this release is it's lack of major changes in the system
A lot of developers are embracing the new APIs like Core Animation, and using Objective-C 2.0. So there will be many Leopard-only apps, or the new versions will require Leopard.
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post #20 of 86
10/3/07 at 12:34am

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I will buy Leopard as soon as Pro Tools 7.3 is confirmed to work with it. This is too important a program for me to upgrade prior to knowing if it works or not.

I presume that Adobe CS3 Design Premium will work fine, and so will iLife and iWork 08.

My most anticipated feature for Leopard? The one that was announced but alarmingly hasn't shown up on any of the beta builds: resolution independence. Yes I'm a big font geek and want them to look the best they can on my Macbook Pro display.

Past that: Bootcamp (yes I do have the Beta but it will be nice to have the official release version), Time Machine (already know which external HD I'm purchasing for it), Stacks, the video effects of iChat, improvements to DVD Player (having used WinDVD and PowerDVD, I hope it begins to close the gap).

Usually it takes Digidesign a few weeks after release to sign off on the latest new build for OSX (i.e. 10.4.9, 10.4.10), but I hear they are already working on Leopard and should know fairly soon after release if all is good on the Pro Tools front.
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post #21 of 86
10/3/07 at 2:22am

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I'm surprised Leopard is being released on time, this time.

People have been saying it's full of bugs and that another delay
was inevitable. However, if there were to be an additional delay
we would have known about it by now.

Which brings me to another point....

I don't know how many veteran Mac users we have here that have
been through a major OS upgrade like this before.

For some reason, I have the attitude that since this isn't Windows
that the switch from Tiger to Leopard will be effortless with minimal
problems. I would expect all my programs will work just fine.

Am I living in fantasy land here? Please tell me that Apple has
their shit more together than Microsoft.
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post #22 of 86
10/3/07 at 6:54am

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I'm surprised Leopard is being released on time, this time.

People have been saying it's full of bugs and that another delay
was inevitable. However, if there were to be an additional delay
we would have known about it by now.

Which brings me to another point....

I don't know how many veteran Mac users we have here that have
been through a major OS upgrade like this before.

For some reason, I have the attitude that since this isn't Windows
that the switch from Tiger to Leopard will be effortless with minimal
problems. I would expect all my programs will work just fine.

Am I living in fantasy land here? Please tell me that Apple has
their shit more together than Microsoft.

To date, Apple OSX upgrades have been solid. There were a number of small problems in the 7.2 to 8.1 days, but that was then.
Where people run into problems is with 3rd party shareware.
Best advice is to clear the 3rd P apps - upgrade and add them back in, one at a time to check stability.

Apple runs a tight check with the majors during dev process, like adobe, etc. No worries with the big stuff. The small interface stuff is usually where any problems happen. Some of these developers are slow to upgrade their software, or don't have the same access during the testing timelines.
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post #23 of 86
10/3/07 at 9:19am

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Originally Posted by DaveF
That's one of those tools that's so neat looking, I wish I had reason to use it (But virtual desktops never really helped me). How do you think you'll use it? What sort of projects do you have going concurrently?

Maybe I need a "practice" space, so I don't go online instead of practicing my presentation ...
I always seem to have Firefox and Thunderbird open, Handbrake, Photoshop, Lightroom, iTunes, and maybe VMware Fusion. That's not to say that I use these all of these all the time, but some must remain open (iTunes for Apple TV), and I think I would find it easier to categorize these applications into desktop workspaces. I LOVED this feature on Linux, and I really miss it.
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post #24 of 86
10/3/07 at 10:36am

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One thing's for sure, if I use Spaces to keep Adobe CS3, Pro Tools, etc. open, I'm going to need more than the 2GB of RAM I currently have
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post #25 of 86
10/4/07 at 9:24pm

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In on day 1 for sure.
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post #26 of 86
10/5/07 at 6:07am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
One thing's for sure, if I use Spaces to keep Adobe CS3, Pro Tools, etc. open, I'm going to need more than the 2GB of RAM I currently have

So buy more RAM.
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post #27 of 86
10/5/07 at 8:24am
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Listening to the latest MacBreak Weekly Podcast, one of the cast commented that he's concerned that recent Leopard builds are still quite unstable. But even if true, it's possible this is normal and is fixed during the final crunch to release for sale.

I'm hoping Apple does something about the silly new Dock style before release, and the translucent menu bar.

Ooh. QuickLook could be really useful! That might suit my work style well.
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post #28 of 86
10/6/07 at 5:14pm

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I don't know how many veteran Mac users we have here that have been through a major OS upgrade like this before.
I wouldn't call this a "Major" upgrade. To me, 6>7 and 9>10 were major. This is a mid upgrade. The upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 had a few hitches, but everything has been smooth sailing ever since.
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post #29 of 86
10/7/07 at 7:12am

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

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Originally Posted by DaveF

I'm hoping Apple does something about the silly new Dock style before release, and the translucent menu bar.


No kidding - at least give us the option of turning off the silly gloss and gaining back whatever small amount of performance being burned on it.
This bling reminds me of the kaleidoscope days.

Keep the sugar off my machine!
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post #30 of 86
10/8/07 at 1:12pm

Re: Are you buying Leopard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveF
It's October and Leopard (OS X 10.5) is due this month (though no release date has been given yet). What are your plans for upgrading?

- Buy date of release.
- Buy within the month.
- Wait a year.
- Never. I hate spots.
- I run Windows, what am I doing this thread?


I'll buy it almost certainly within a month of release, and hopefully within a week. I'll get the Family pack and upgrade my machine as soon as I can get backups done. My wife's machine will be later this Fall, to not conflict with current (and hopeful) freelance work.

Here's hoping I'm seeing spots sooner than later!


Well Being that my Mac is a PPC Mini I'm gonna have to wait to see if it will even run on it, I think it's a 1.42ghz and got 1GB of Ram
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