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Originally Posted by Inspector Hammer!
Sooo looking foreward to tomorrows ep! Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Kara teaches Clark how to fly!! It's about f***ing time is all I gotta say.
Why am I imagining scenes from the "Greatest American Hero"?
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Why am I imagining scenes from the "Greatest American Hero"?


"Believe it or not, I'm walking on air, I never thought I would feel so freeee..."
post #363 of 517

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Originally Posted by Andrew Grall
Why am I imagining scenes from the "Greatest American Hero"?


[music]Believe it or not, i'm walkin' on air I never thought I could be so freeeee...[/music]



Edit: Rats, you beat me, Andres lol.
post #364 of 517

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Lol. I don't know why but I love that cheesy song. So much that it's one of my ringtones.
post #365 of 517

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LOL. then of course there's the George Costanza rendition...

"Believe it or not, George isn't at home please leave a message at the beep. I must be out or i'de pick up the phone, where could I be? Believe it or not i'm not home."

What i'm wondering about is Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
how is it that Kara can fly and Clark still can't? She's only been on Earth for a few months and SHE'S teaching HIM how to fly? The only thing I can think of is that Clark's fear of heights has created a sort of psychological block in his brain that won't allow that power to mature in him?

That would make sense since Kal El wasn't afraid of heights so he could fly without effort.
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What a complete croc! Clark didn't fly, once again he was left standing there on the ground while a monumental event that left Lana's life hanging in the balance took place in the sky.

I was yelling at the screen as 7 years of frustration came pouring out of me..."God dammit get off the fucking ground now, Clark!!!" I just couldn't help it, he was there, on the roof, and I was certain that he was going to leap up and go after Fine and Kara but nope...nada! This is going beyond being merely disappointing and now i'm starting to get angry. What the hell is it? Why are Millar and Gough so freakin' stubborn about this!?

If it weren't for the expectation that Clark was going to finally fly this would have been a great episode but as it stands I am let down big time.

BTW, is Lana dead? And what's the word on John Glover being in the cast next season?
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What an outrage. "I can fly! I can fly! Eh, we don't have time for this!"

Is Lana deader than dirt or what?
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I liked it, mainly because it didn't all the emo-mopiness of the really sordid Smallville episodes, and just went on with plot and plot and more plot, all the while sending the principals to Zurich to get to the secret of the Swann and the traveler. Not all that sad if Lana stays in her state, though they did take some time with Clana to soak in the cost of his secret and give him some incentive to get to the bottom of it all.
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What the hell is it? Why are Millar and Gough so freakin' stubborn about this!?
Because as soon as Clark can fly, it becomes almost impossible for Lex to hide anything from him or any bad guy ever to get away from him. On a strictly practical level, they'll have written themselves into a hole they can't get out of.
post #370 of 517
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I think what happens is that Lana died, Chloe will bring her back, and Lana will retain enough information for Clark to track Brainiac and Kara down. Maybe he'll have to fly to do it.

I agree that it was a good episode, but when the DVR lies and tells you Clark will fly, that's a real pisser.
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Yeah I suppose, Jason but it's just cruel hinting to the fans, already thirsty for it, that Clark will finally fly and than have it not happen, not only that but creating a situation where we thought that he was going to.

That moment, when he was up there, should have been THE moment, it was palpable that he was going to take that big leap skyward and when he didn't it was crushing to me.

I think that it's going to take something happening to him to make him fly, if you look at how he got his other powers that makes sense...

X-ray vision...he was thrown through a window

Heat vision...he was hot for teacher

Super hearing...he was blinded

Super breath...he had a cold

I think it'll take him getting thrown out of an airplane to get him to fly lol.
post #372 of 517
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I don't agree that flight limits the story. It's worked alright for every other Superman TV series, and other shows with flight. Knowing Clark, he won't even use it that much.
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I think we can all agree "Veritas" was infinitely better than the Stride product placement "Heroes" and the equally insipid Weather Girls ep from earlier this season. It's the first time in a while all the regulars showed up on screen together. Some nice forshadowing regarding Lois and Jimmy working together in the future and Lionel calling them the Dynamic Duo.

I do think John Glover turned in some of his best acting in the series last night, particularly in his scenes with Allison Mack. Now the long wait until April 17 which, conveniently, coincides with a trip to Nashville for me.
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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I think what happens is that Lana died, Chloe will bring her back, and Lana will retain enough information for Clark to track Brainiac and Kara down. Maybe he'll have to fly to do it.

I agree that it was a good episode, but when the DVR lies and tells you Clark will fly, that's a real pisser.
You just can't believe the promotional episode summary stuff all the time. Seeing Chloe standing there with her face looking like she was about to cry must be a sign that Chloe will at least attempt to do her thing for Lana.

Neil
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Originally Posted by NeilO
You just can't believe the promotional episode summary stuff all the time. Seeing Chloe standing there with her face looking like she was about to cry must be a sign that Chloe will at least attempt to do her thing for Lana.

Neil

Or that she would finally have a chance with Clark once Lana was dead and gone.
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Or that she would finally have a chance with Clark once Lana was dead and gone.

LOL

Chloe: "Okay, Clark. I'll bring her back to life. How does October 2010 sound?"
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Well, I just watched this episode on my DVR and what kinda BS was that to say Clark will fly and then have him wimp out. I think there was only 3 minutes of flying talk in the whole episode. Also, whoever wrote the stupid line that Clark says to Kara about "you are trying to teach me a power I don't have yet" should be fired. Of course you don't have the power yet Clark, if you did she wouldn't have to teach you.

That's it, I'm done with this show. I thought the rest of the show was crap after that (another Lana centric show, most annoying character in TV history IMO). Maybe shes gone for good now but, it does matter too me because the WB has lost me as a Smallville viewer. For the first time since I've owned a DVR (about 4 years), Smallville will not have a season pass anymore. I'll tune into the series finale (if that ever happens) just too see if Clark becomes Superman but, I doubt that will ever happen at this rate.

Goodbye Smallville, WB you sure do know how to ruin a TV show.
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I haven't posted in a while but I feel a need for some cathartic writing.
Watching this last episode has made me question why I have stayed with this show for so long. The producers and writers have succeeded in making the most indecisive, cowardly, and pathetic Clark Kent in the history of Superman, in any form or genre. The bumbling, sheepish, and clutzy Clark Kent of the earlier Superman was acceptable because its audience knew that it was an act and knew the reality that he was the complete opposite and was a true hero. In Smallville this Clark Kent is not acting like a doofus to ward off suspicion of his true identity (for lack of a better word), this is the way he really feels and thinks. Having spent 7 years watching this show, I know that the two episodes that I will enjoy watching are the season finale and the season premiere. I know that the season finale will usually have a good cliffhanger and the premiere will open well and will wrap up in about 30 minutes and the next episode will reset everything back. Thinking back on it I think my heart left the show back when Jonathan Kent died. As much as I hated the way it was done, I really thought that it would be kick in the pants for Clark and get him moving. But he has regressed farther and farther back as a character to where we have reached this point, this episode. My girlfriend watched the episode with me, And she is not a huge Superman fan but is interested in the character, When Brainiac was on the roof of the Planet and said those lines to Clark and took to the sky, my girlfriend turned to me and said "He's going to take off, He's going to fly" Knowing the character of Clark that has been created I said to her "No, He's not. He's going to sit there and feel sorry for himself". I hated being right. I will continue to watch the show as I am interested in Lex's character and in hopes that Lex will find a way to kill Clark because in my opinion the world does not need this Superman.
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Millar and Gough should read the two posts above mine.

They need some perspective and they need to understand that you don't dangle meat in front of a hungry pitbull and not give it to him, it's going to make him that much more wild and angry.
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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
I think what happens is that Lana died, Chloe will bring her back, and Lana will retain enough information for Clark to track Brainiac and Kara down. ...
Or, her appearances next season could just be flashbacks where she and Clark get mopey with each other.
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I quit. I got roped into this show based on some positive word of mouth, and I walked through the seasons quickly; even enjoyed some..

My problem early on was an evil twist: I found Lex far more likable and understandable then Clark. Now that Lex is firmly a "bad guy", it still hasn't done anything to redeem Clark, who's more of a shallow doofus then ever before. He may be one of the most co-dependant super heros I've ever seen.

Outside of completely writing his family off the show (he basically runs the farm by himself, I suppose) along with early season characters, Clark relies so heavily on his friends that he might as well say "I'm the super-hero with ZERO instincts, and I pout a lot, please help me"

This show was fun for me to watch up through the middle of Season 6, where I could reasonable watch, rub my hands together, and root for Lex's plans. But then his character changed, became evil, sure, but also hard to really follow, and Clark didn't change.

So now I don't have a character I can even cynically root for. I'm still not at all convinced Lana isn't a body snatcher (her weird understanding of the lab last season, her miraculous genious at planning domination, explosions, and escape are mind bending coming from a girl who didn't go to college and struggled to figure out coffee budget as a barrista) but all of that seems to be blushed over as though it doesn't matter.

The show now has so many loose threads that I can't even tell wth matters and what is just sloppy writing. So I'll assume it's all sloppy writing.

I'm totally out; enjoy Season 8, I hear Clark learns to climb trees really fast, so fast you'd think he'd spring into the sky. But then it just doesn't work out, he's all freaked out by birds nests or something.
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I think the problem is that with this show is that all the fans know what it can and should be (drama and action wise) but it never lives up to its potential. Then again I guess it's just mirroring its main character. The only time that Clark was heroic and on the ball this season was when it was Bizzaro pretending to be Clark. Even then Bizzaro managed to get sucked into the Black Hole of Love that is Lana Lang.
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The thing is, Welling is so good in the role, if they'd let him start to be Superman, (figuratively not literally yet), he'd be great at it.
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in hopes that Lex will find a way to kill Clark because in my opinion the world does not need this Superman.
Ouch, lol.

I share your anger guys. Enough filler shit, give us Superman already and end this show.
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It's not anger, it's disappointment. This show only ever operates at 40 or 50 percent capacity. Everyone knows it. When was the last time (if ever) you watched Smallville and you went "Wow, they knocked that one out of the park." in regard to the whole episode, start to finish. It never happens. There maybe a cool fleeting moment or two in an episode (introduction of Brainiac or Bizzaro, Clark getting his heat vision, or something along those lines). Watching the last episode I knew before the episode started that Clark would not fly (not from spoilers but from own innate sense of the character and the way that Smallville is written). The description was "Kara teaches Clark to fly", I can teach someone to fish but that doesn't mean they are going to go and catch a fish. The description of the episode was misleading and was meant to be in order to get those fans who may not want to watch the show, watching it because they thought Clark was going to fly. The main problem I have comes from Clark's decisions being made from an external stimulus and not from an internal decision. He always does something because of an outside force making him have to be the hero he doesn't want to be. That is not Superman. I gave Clark the benefit of the doubt for 1 season, and 2 seasons and 3 seasons and 4 seasons, and even 5 seasons. No more. In every incarnation the Kent's upbringing has instilled in Clark the want and need to do right, to make the world a better place and be a hero. That is an absolute of Clark Kent/Superman. The producers seem to think that this is a negotiable character trait with the fans, it is not. The unfortunate thing here is now that any character actions that Clark takes in the remainder of the season will be because of what has happened to Lana and not because of what Clark believes needs to be done. Clark is reactionary in his thoughts,actions and destiny instead of being proactive.
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^^In other words he's a lazy bastard who says "(Sigh), okay, if I MUST get off my ass and save someone I suppose I will".

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You know, I actually liked this last episode a lot. The last two actually. They weren't perfect, but certainly miles above, say, Pete chewing Kryptogum.

I can't say I'm terribly surprised that Clark didn't fly; that's TV Guide, "next-week-on-Smallville" promotional stuff. I was kind of upset that they had revealed that the week earlier and figured it was just a rouse. Whenever Clark does get around to flying, I don't want to be warned about it the week beforehand, I want to be surprised by the moment.

The overriding theme of this season seems to be about Clark turning his back on his destiny, not yet willing or able to accept his role in the bigger picture. I'm not necessarily in love with that as a concept but I don't hate it either. My issue comes more from the fact that when Clark escaped the Phantom Zone at the beginning of Season 6, it became his mission to track down all of the phantoms, return them to the zone, and then use that Kryptonian metal thing that he needed to trap the phantoms to repair the fortress and begin his training. As far as I know, with Bizarro out of the picture, he's gotten all of the Phantoms, but he's never stopped to repair the fortress. Why not? It seemed as though he had every intention of doing that, and then this season that plot point was totally dropped. That's my problem. If they had addressed it in some way, given us a believable reason for Clark turning his back on his destiny, this new season would be a lot easier to swallow.

Like I said, I get that the writers/producers want this season to be about the step in Clark's journey where he's not sure what to do next or how he fits into the bigger picture. Some fans have a problem with that, and while I'm sympathetic to their viewpoint, I don't agree with them. He doesn't need to be Superman from the Richard Donner film, or Superman from the comics, or any other brand of Superman besides what's on Smallville. It doesn't all have to line up perfectly with the comic universe for me to be satisfied. I actually find something very poignant, something very captivating in Clark turning his back on the world. He's finally been able to tell Lana the secret that he kept from her for six seasons; I don't blame him for wanting to stick around the farm and find out what it's like to live that way. I just don't think the writers have done the best job of justifying that in the scripts.

Though I have absolutely no idea how they intend to wrap up this season, I'm willing to bet that one of the bigger plot points is going to be Clark finally shaping up and stepping up to the plate. I don't know if it's going to be the result of Oliver Queen yelling at him one more time, if it'll be Chloe or Martha Kent encouraging him to use his powers for the greater good, if it's going to be some kind of battle against one or both of the Luthers. It's going to come together at some point.

It's just frustrating that the past couple of episodes were really beginning to build up to something larger (and I love whenever they start getting into "mythology" stuff even if it's Smallville mythology rather than traditional Superman mythology), only for the show to go on hiatus for a few weeks. I want this to keep moving. (Smallville was a show I never got into until "Superman Returns" came out, and then I sped through five seasons rapid-fire to watch Season 6 as it broadcasted, so going week to week is definitely not what I'm used to with this show!)
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I'm all for the show depicting Clark in a manner that's different from any other incarnation, in fact in the past i've had to remind people of that very thing and not just pertaining to Clark but the show as a whole, however I still feel that at this point in time he should still be showing growth in his desire to help not just those around him but the world.

He simply doesn't seem to be growing in that area, now I don't know if the show is setting it up to where one particular event will change all that but it certaintly doesn't seem to be happening gradually which is what I was expecting when I started watching the show.

I was so let down by the last episode because Clark didn't even TRY to fly, when Kara was coaching him and when he was on the roof and watched Brainiac and Kara fly off. If he had tried there, if he was so fueld with desire to help Kara and Lana (we already know that there's nothing Clark can't do when it comes to saving Lana) than I am positive that he would have soared for the first time. It was the perfect spot for the show to have this happen and it didn't, it doesn't even matter to me if he caught up to B&K just that he took the leap and tried.

As it stands, and the way the scene was set-up, it made him look extremely impotant as a superhero.

Now, my best friend and I were talking about this and she threw out an interesting theory that i'd like to get you guys opinions on, she said that one possible explanation was that he was indeed supposed to fly in this episode but when the writers strike ended and Millar and Gough knew this wouldn't be the last, they rewrote the ending?

I have no idea if that's true or not but it's interesting nontheless.
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The overriding theme of this season seems to be about Clark turning his back on his destiny, not yet willing or able to accept his role in the bigger picture. I'm not necessarily in love with that as a concept but I don't hate it either.
My issue comes more from the fact that when Clark escaped the Phantom Zone at the beginning of Season 6, it became his mission to track down all of the phantoms, return them to the zone, and then use that Kryptonian metal thing that he needed to trap the phantoms to repair the fortress and begin his training.

That is interesting since Season 6 was supposed to be an acceptance of his destiny.

The majority of people here think that he is supposed to go through some specialized training, refecting I guess the 12 year "training" period that happened in the movie. Being that they pretty much have rewritten the mythos, there is no reason to believe that the specialized training will take place. I would say you are watching his training take place in the events shown in the show. Him being punished recently by being frozen in the the fortress then released to remedy the Bizarro situation is evidence of this. I'm not saying the specialized training definitely won't take place as I am not the writer but I suspect not. But I do believe they will present a catalyst at some point that will transform his thinking from where he is to where he ulitmately will be. And, I too, grow weary of the wait for that to happen.
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We got caught up in the training because that Kryptonian girl from the Phantom Zone told him that was what he was supposed to be doing. As far as I know, only the movie had him go off to do something like that. In the comics, he was either superheroic from almost the beginning (when Superboy was still canon), or he just basically showed up as a hero. It's hard to see this Clark get to the point where he's a selfless hero for the world. It should be something that's a part of him, that he can't turn away from even if he wants to. That's just not the case here.
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