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Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

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Originally Posted by Scott Jentsch
Do we know that the extras on the 2004 DVD are available in a format that is conducive to HD resolutions? If the extras were shot on SD video, they would have to be upconverted, and I would rather them not include them if all they're going to do is upconvert them or provide them in 480p.

If those extras are on film, someone has to convert that film to HD, which is going to require time, effort, and money. I think it would be a lot of fun to see the principals involved brought back for their perspectives on the movie. With 21 years having passed, and Tom Cruise's career is definitely in a different place than it was back then, getting these actors back together could be very interesting. But I would imagine that creating new content for a Top Gun HD DVD Special Edition would be very time consuming and expensive, and we certainly wouldn't see that title on the shelves for $19.95.

There are some examples of HD DVD's that I've watched (can't think of which ones right off-hand) where they have a mixture of SD and HD extras, so that's an example where if they're going to go through the effort of including extras (and probably charging more because it will now be considered a Special Edition), they might as well provide a complete package.

You are right in that we have a dichotomy, and it's one that is not uncommon. There is an audience that wants to absorb every additional detail they can find, and there is an audience that places a much higher value on just watching the movie and the extras are just a nice add-on.

While I enjoy watching some extras at times, I have not watched the extras on many of the DVDs that I purchase or rent. In the case of the Top Gun DVD, I'm not even sure that I watched the extras they provided on there, even though I liked the movie. The same goes for the wealth of extras that are on the LOTR DVDs, and I really liked those movies!

The presence of extras are something that may push me over the edge in the decision of whether to buy or rent a movie. In that respect, the extras are important to the studio, because I can imagine that they want me to buy it instead of rent it. In the case of Top Gun on HD DVD, I have it from Netflix right now, and I'll decide from there if it's worth picking up as demo material (even at the nice price it's being offered at).

Bottom line is that I don't think it's unfair, misleading, or unreasonable for Paramount to have produced a bare bones version of Top Gun and offer it for sale for $20.

Everyone is free to have their own position on that topic, and I respect and understand your desire to have a more featured-filled version.

After putting some more thought into this subject, I think that there is some interesting discussion to be had about extras and the value they represent. I've created a new thread titled "Thoughts about extras on HD DVD and Blu-ray" to discuss this topic in more detail, but it reaches beyond the Top Gun HD DVD release. I am very interested in continuing the discussion over there!


Top Gun is a film that I would have bought if it had been a full out Special Edition with tons of extras. However as it is I'll wait for another release that has the extras. This is exactly the reason I haven't picked up Speed or any of the other Fox titles so far.

I will say that if this were a film that I felt was really important to me I would buy it with out extras.

Doug

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post #32 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

I'm not sure that porting all the extras from the 2004 DVD release of Top Gun to the 2007 HD DVD release would have been a good idea (again, if it would have delayed the release -or- if it would have raised the price). If there was room on the disc, and if doing so would not have raised the price or delayed the release by a significant margin, then I think they should have done so (of course). There was an opportunity here for Paramount to do much more than they did, and they missed it. The sales results will tell them if they made a mistake in doing so.

I think there is support for my theory that adding extras would have delayed the title's release, however. Case in point is Zodiac. Originally scheduled for release in July 2007 (see news article) and it was delayed until January. The upside to the delay is that the title will be packed with extras, but it will be priced at $39.98. While there was no mention that I saw of the original list price, my guess is that it wasn't going to be $40.

Would I buy a Top Gun Special Edition that had a comparable set of features for $40 (probably $28 street price)? Maybe. Considering that MI:3 is the same price and I would equate my interest in MI: 3 and Top Gun, and I haven't purchased that yet, maybe not...
post #33 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

I thought your/the idea was to continue the supps conversation in the new thread?
post #34 of 39

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Reading back, it was perhaps unclear as to my intentions for the new thread.

This discussion focuses on Paramount and the lack of extras on Top Gun, and since I wanted to start a discussion about HDM extras in general (not just about this one title), I thought I would start that thread so that the discussion didn't derail this one.

As a follow-up to my original post in this thread, that SD "extras" disc that you can pick up for the Top Gun HD DVD is now on sale at Circuit City for $6.99.
post #35 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

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As a follow-up to my original post in this thread, that SD "extras" disc that you can pick up for the Top Gun HD DVD is now on sale at Circuit City for $6.99.
You don't get it. I don't want two Top Gun discs on my already bulging shelves. Repeating this, regardless of what the price drops to, doesn't obviate the point that these supps should have been on the HD DVD. It's also contradictory that, on the one hand, you have repeatedly made the (specious, erroneous) point that including the SD supps would have raised the HD DVD's price, but then you seem to have no problem with saying that collectors should spend another ~$10 to get them.
post #36 of 39

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Fine, you're right, I'm wrong.

I think we agree on the fact that we both would have liked for Paramount to have included extras with the Top Gun HD DVD release.

The best case scenario is that they would have done so and the price would not have risen, nor would the release date have been extended to accommodate the production of those extras.

But it didn't happen. Top Gun on HD DVD came out as a barebones version.

Do I understand what Paramount was thinking? No.

Do I think it's the end of the world? No.

My point was that the extras were available in SD resolution at a very reasonable price. Lacking the presence of extras on the HD DVD, this is the next best thing. I didn't make the decision to exclude those extras on the HD DVD release, so don't burn me at the stake for pointing out an option for getting them in some way.

While I don't understand the major concern about having two disc boxes, my guess is that someone somewhere sells a dual-disc HD DVD box that can store the HD and SD discs and even take the cover art from the original HD DVD box. I've got a feeling that won't make any of the detractors feel any better, but it is an option if having two physical boxes is really a problem.

Given that the Top Gun HD DVD is barebones, and I can get it from Netflix at any time (given a couple of days' notice), I won't buy it unless I can find it at a really good price. If it had lots of cool extras, I probably would have picked it up sight-unseen, as I did with the Bourne discs.

That's the message that we as consumers need to send to the studios. They'll sell more if they deliver what their customers want.
post #37 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

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I think we agree on the fact that we both would have liked for Paramount to have included extras with the Top Gun HD DVD release.
Wha?!? Now you're saying that you would like for the supps to have been included on the HD DVD? There's a John Kerry joke in here somewhere.

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. . . nor would the release date have been extended to accommodate the production of those extras.
Another thing you keep mentioning evinces that you're looking at a deep catalog title's home vid street date in the same way as new theaticals. Again, different kettle of fish. The studios like to get new theatricals to home vid in that ever-shortening window following the theatrical release, when the orgy of marketing that usually accompanies the film's release in theaters is still on people's numbed minds. This is not an issue with catalog titles. If Par had wanted to do new supps, there was nothing holding them to a release date they selected. It's not even the case that they were tieing the TG home vid release to a new theatrical from Tom or Jerry.

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. . . my guess is that someone somewhere sells a dual-disc HD DVD box that can store the HD and SD discs and even take the cover art from the original HD DVD box.
And this option still involves buying two releases, one of whose artwork you then have no use for except for fridge decoration.
post #38 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

If people complain about the lack of extras in "Robocop" by Fox, I´m sure it´s the same thing with "Top Gun" by Paramount?

I don´t like this pattern with these selected HD-released (both formats). Is it so hard to include couple of featurettes and such? I mean, c´mon.

Sure, I´ll get this one, I´m sure, but I´m also sure that MOST of us want some extras also, especially when we have increased capacity, etc.
post #39 of 39

Re: A few words about...™ Top Gun -- in HD

Finally got to the Nf rental. Curious that they put the Dolby Digital Plus and DTS Digital Surround ES logos on the disc, but not the Dolby TrueHD logo. Anyone else have problems getting their surround back channel(s) to playback when playing the DTS ES or Dolby Digital EX tracks?

(Also thought it lame that Par didn't even bother with a main menu per se: you put in the disc and the movie plays . . . the movie ends . . . and it starts over.)

Tom and the flowers on Charlie's table during their dinner date all looked awesome. Could almost read the wine bottle label. Not unlike while watching the Crimson Tide BD, I thought it remarkable how seeing various character's heretofore unseen sweat contributed to verismilitude.
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