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post #91 of 109
9/23/07 at 9:30am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

Robert,

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
I think if you want to be heard and possibly have an impact and be closer to any change, writing them would be a much better proposition than just posting here
You may have a point there.

We had a thread going on, a few months ago, asking Fox to drop the useless DTS HD-MA, but apparently they didn't read it (or didn't find that message important).


Cees
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post #92 of 109
9/23/07 at 10:16am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel

I have asked before on this thread but no one has answered, has anyone sent a postal letter to Fox Home Entertainment, care of Mike Dunn, president Fox Home Entertainment 2121 Avenue of the Stars, 25th Floor Los Angeles, CA 90067 , with your gripes? I think if you want to be heard and possibly have an impact and be closer to any change, writing them would be a much better proposition than just posting here:-)
Writing letters is always better than email or posting on the internet, but I know for a fact that Fox already knows that their pricing is high and have heard it from consumers, however, it's their thinking that the early adopter will pay high prices no matter what. Evidently, that's very true for some of us.




Crawdaddy
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post #93 of 109
9/23/07 at 12:09pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
I agree it isn't the format available to most people yet.

"isn't available to most people yet" implies that there is currently a way to decode DTS Master Audio. Is there a player today that will decode it? Is there a reason that after 10 months the PS3 hasn't had a firmware update to decode it?
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post #94 of 109
9/23/07 at 1:34pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by PerryD
"isn't available to most people yet" implies that there is currently a way to decode DTS Master Audio. Is there a player today that will decode it? Is there a reason that after 10 months the PS3 hasn't had a firmware update to decode it?


I don't know of any, but the new Samsungs will be able too, they promised a firmware update by year's end (for the 3rd gen players, I am going for the combi)...but isn't DTS Master available only via HDMI? So in that case one needs an Onkyo hdmi 1.3 receiver or other brands now coming out. The fact is (I am told) that downconverting DTS master to regular DTS (which all players play) is the best downconverting, way ahead of Dolby Digital, so the sound you get on DTS setting with these discs should be much better than Dolby Digital, or maybe even DD+...anyone know about this?> There was a thread but I never saved it, just read it.
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post #95 of 109
9/23/07 at 2:27pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
isn't DTS Master available only via HDMI? So in that case one needs an Onkyo hdmi 1.3 receiver or other brands now coming out.

My understanding is if DTS HD MA is decoded in the player it can be sent out the same way as DD TrueHD (via analog and via HDMI 1.1 and up as multichannel PCM).

Only HDMI 1.3 will allow the audio bitstreams of DTS HD MA and DD TrueHD to pass to an outboard decoder.

Paul
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post #96 of 109
9/23/07 at 2:37pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by PerryD
Is there a player today that will decode it? Is there a reason that after 10 months the PS3 hasn't had a firmware update to decode it?
What has been said here before that could be the reason:
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman
DTS MA is slightly more inefficient than TrueHD and takes more horsepower for decoding (because it has to do some recombining of the core data and extension data before decompression of the now re-created lossless track... all in real time). That's why both formats' players didn't come right out of the gates with DTS MA on board. The decoding chips weren't powerful enough to decode it.


Paul
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post #97 of 109
9/23/07 at 3:34pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

Maybe DTS paid Fox to use their codec exclusively. Seems par for the course with studios these days.
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post #98 of 109
9/23/07 at 4:03pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Maybe DTS paid Fox to use their codec exclusively. Seems par for the course with studios these days.
That wouldn't surprise me.

The current lack of player support doesn't bother me too much as manufacturers will eventually produce compatible players. By that time these releases will be marked down to the point that I'd be willing to upgrade titles I'm not dying to own today.
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post #99 of 109
9/26/07 at 7:45am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

Here we go again...there has been talk over at blu-raydotcom and avs that F4: Rise of the Silver Surfer has been delayed due to production issues.
If true.....well, words won't describe what I think of Fox.
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post #100 of 109
9/26/07 at 7:53am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by Southpaw
Here we go again...there has been talk over at blu-raydotcom and avs that F4: Rise of the Silver Surfer has been delayed due to production issues.
If true.....well, words won't describe what I think of Fox.
Very strange!

Another post over there:
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Originally Posted by JBlacklow
So Fox has "delayed" their blockbuster day-and-date (Silver Surfer), apparently due to "Blu-ray manufacturing problems". Not only that, they say it applies to "all Blu-ray products".

Can anyone tell us right now, or badger Fox into saying something right now, whether they're just going to drop all their titles? This shit was old back in April, it's not any better now.




Paul
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post #101 of 109
9/26/07 at 8:58am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

Hi Def Digest says otherwise, but I wouldn't be surprised if something like last week's Smallville delay happened. I'm beginning to suspect that the manufacturing problems with BD-50s are actually worse than people thought. That might also explain why Live Free or Die Hard isn't unrated on BD, if the content had to be locked down early to make sure it could be manufactured in time.
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post #102 of 109
9/26/07 at 10:19am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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I'm beginning to suspect that the manufacturing problems with BD-50s are actually worse than people thought.
The other problem is that certain people who like to tell everyone how much "inside" info they're privy to aren't interested in informing people of such problems for some reason.
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post #103 of 109
9/26/07 at 10:31am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ray_Delay/1010

I guess you can't believe everything you read. These retailers have been mostly accurate from what I've read though.
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post #104 of 109
9/26/07 at 10:32am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
it's their thinking that the early adopter will pay high prices no matter what. Evidently, that's very true for some of us.


I'm not thrilled with the Fox BD pricing. But taking it into perspective for those that were with Laserdisc, it's negligible. DVDs have spoiled us, with releases costing an average of $19 for a nice special edition (or $29 MSRP).

Laserdiscs were always in the neighborhood of $29-$39, while Fox movies IIRC tended to cost in the neighborhood of $44-$49 (wish they'd release "Deadliest Art"). Then there were of course the "Special Edition" discs (Alien, Abyss) that cost $99-$125 (and $150 in some cases).

Again, I'd prefer as cheap as possible, but all things considered, it's not the end of the world in terms of BD pricing. $19 makes me buy without thinking; $39 makes me really think "Do I really want this title" - Fox will learn...
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post #105 of 109
9/26/07 at 11:00am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by Brian-W
I'm not thrilled with the Fox BD pricing. But taking it into perspective for those that were with Laserdisc, it's negligible. DVDs have spoiled us, with releases costing an average of $19 for a nice special edition (or $29 MSRP).

Laserdiscs were always in the neighborhood of $29-$39, while Fox movies IIRC tended to cost in the neighborhood of $44-$49 (wish they'd release "Deadliest Art"). Then there were of course the "Special Edition" discs (Alien, Abyss) that cost $99-$125 (and $150 in some cases).

Again, I'd prefer as cheap as possible, but all things considered, it's not the end of the world in terms of BD pricing. $19 makes me buy without thinking; $39 makes me really think "Do I really want this title" - Fox will learn...
It doesn't matter which video format you want to talk about, Fox has continue that same line of thinking that early adopters will pay excessive prices to own video media during the early stages of a new video format.
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post #106 of 109
9/26/07 at 11:42am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

Brian, I sure remember those laserdisc prices. Some of the big titles like Sound of Music, Towering Inferno, Oklahoma, Patton, Hello Dolly! and others were $69.95. Some like STAR! were $89.95, I remember well because it took a bite out of my food supply for the week, lol. I think Fox had the highest prices in the laserdisc business. Of course they had some rather grand special editions of these too, with CAV sides, and they always remastered the film for laserdisc which I know isn't cheap either. Those are the kind of titles I would be willing to pay $39.95 for on blu-ray....granted they release their classics with uncompressed sound. Fox hasn't released an older title yet, and I am hoping they keep with the "uncompressed on every disc" theory. We'll see! I've written several postal letters to Mike Dunn at Fox about this before any come out!
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post #107 of 109
9/26/07 at 11:57am

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

I still can't get over that they charge $39.95 for a complete bare bones version of "Rocky" when a full loaded 2 disc SE had just come out.
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post #108 of 109
9/26/07 at 12:54pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

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Originally Posted by RobertSiegel
Brian, I sure remember those laserdisc prices.

Fox has never been cheap, on any format, that's for sure. But at $39.95, I am *very* careful what I buy.

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
It doesn't matter which video format you want to talk about, Fox has continue that same line of thinking that early adopters will pay excessive prices to own video media during the early stages of a new video format.

Not quite - on D-VHS D-Theater, those tapes (Fox) were retailing for $31.99, and you could find them discounted for $23. I know, I paid $23 for Alien (never got around to opening it, and sold it for untold amounts). And that was high definition, aimed at the early adopter/techie that has to have the best. Universal on the other hand was guilty of bilking early adopters of D-VHS by charging $39.95 for their films on tape.

But alas, Fox has returned to its old nasty pricing ways...and I'll just sit it out unless it's a must have title. Library titles? I'll wait for a sale or used copy.
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post #109 of 109
9/26/07 at 3:13pm

Re: The Offical Fox Title Cancellation Notice Thread ( Q3/4 07 edition

That's what I did. Bought the BD of Rocky here for $14 shipped. Was worth it.
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