If you don't like music replacement on new shows . . .

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There's no reason not to record these shows to DVD-Rs anymore, but as for the second point...

Some people do not have room for giant satellite dishes, as they live in apartments or condos. Even if they live in houses with an adequate amount of land, those things are fugly.

And with more shows being broadcast in HD, is there a way to capture HD broadcast with those?

And what about the credits? They still squeeze the bejeezus out of the credits.

It's a non-issue for me becaue I do not like new shows, but there are legitimate reasons why someone may not be able to do it..

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I think most people's argument about new shows is that DVD rights should be worked out ahead of time, as this is a known issue.

As for recording it yourself, if someone has one of the "small" dishes, the picture is over-compressed (as I'm sure you know).


I thought the networks started encrypting their affiliate feeds a long time ago. I know last time I tried to record affiliate programming off of my parents' C-band dish (around 1999), the feed was scrambled about half the time, and it wasn't standard videocipher scrambling, it was a proprietary scrambling, meaning the home dish owner couldn't even pay for access.

I think the big reason the networks started encrypting was that some fools at home would call those on-screen telephone numbers (meant for affiliates only) to request a re-feed of something they missed!

All that aside, you do know that it's getting harder and harder to find someone who will even install/sell big dish equipment these days, don't you? Add to that the cost of the equipment and the dwindling subscription choices. My parents finally got fed up and went to a little dish, and although I would have loved a big dish, the changing landscape of programming, cost, etc. led me down the road of the little dishes. It's all a matter of cost, convenience for multi-room setups, etc. Face it, C-band is pretty much dead as a home-consumer format. It's strictly for the TV stations/cable companies and hobbyists (and really doesn't need to be subject of discussion in this particular forum, anyway).

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Hank- why must you be so mean to everyone on this board? You're insulting evryone who buys DVDs of TV shows, including yourself! Quit pontificating and stick to your DVD recorder while the rest of us who DO care about the issue of music replacement can discuss this in a mature manner.

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What ever happened to the concept of providing the viewer with the content as intended by the creators of the show? That's what bugs me the most in all this. I've never heard of movies being edited for content after its shown in the theater except in terms of "extended versions" which gives viewer more than originally presented - NOT LESS. Imagine "The Commitments" with new music thrown in [well, I can't and won't].

I buy TV on DVD in the occasion that I never saw the show as it first aired and would love to get into it - e.g. Heroes. Well, imagine the flack if the person BUYING the show on DVD for +$50 did not get at least the same content as broadcasted FOR FREE. And that's where the line has to be drawn. Don't change the content for those watching the shows on DVD unless you feel you need to enhance it with deleted scenes, yadda yadda yadda.

Having said that, Hank, I think you may be out of line in all this.

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Hank, it isn't like the Feds are going to going banging on doors with arrest warrants, but recording copyrighted shows for anything other than just time shifting is illegal.

If it wasn't, there would be threads here explaining the best way to do that, and there aren't.

Please lighten up.

Glenn

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Well, if I could go back in time, I certainly would record all of my favorite shows. But since that's impossible, my only option is to complain!

PS, "Hank" is one of my favorite sitcoms of all time. I wish it had a snowball's chance in hell of coming to DVD! Apparently there was an episode where Dick sang something from the "Dick Kallman Drops In as 'Hank'" LP, which I'm sure would be cut due to music clearance issues.

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There are a few. One example is  Grizzly Man.
Another example is Wayne's World.

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I couldn't agree more. Hank's thread start came across as very nasty. A shame.

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All very true. This thread was started just to be antagonistic which is truly pathetic.

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I think Hank was having a bad day. This topic has been pretty well clobbered in the past, and in multiple threads. My two cents is that it's not always possible to record every show that you end up wanting. Why? Because you just never know when a show is going to be good, or whether you're going to like it. I didn't get interested in Buffy the Vampire Slayer until it had been running for 4 years. There's other shows that I caught onto late. I couldn't have recorded every episode, because I perhaps wasn't even aware of them from Day One, or didn't know they'd interest me. What Hank's really suggesting is that we record every single new show that comes along and see what's what.

Furthermore, I don't care to make my own dvds. Self-recorded dvds don't last as long as studio-manufactured dvds, for one thing. For another thing, sometimes shows get cancelled prematurely and the released dvds will have episodes on them that never aired. And studio dvds don't have commercials or station interruptions either. There's a lot of good reasons to "wait for the dvd," these are just a few. I do have a dvd recorder, but I only use it to save things that will probably never make it to dvd, like specials, daytime soaps and reality shows.

And at last, as for the music replacement problem, I personally try not to make a big deal about it. I get it. It's expensive. But at the end of the day, I just want to see the shows. 9 times out of ten, the music they use on modern shows is equivalent to having the tv characters playing the radio in the background. It's pretty meaningless, really. There are shows like Ally McBeal and American Dreams which totally integrated the pop songs into the story, and those should retain all their original music, but those are extraordinary cases.

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I know if I was a performer I would want some of my music playing on a TV show or movie.

Think about it: How many people have heard a snippet of a song in a show and said "hey that's a cool song--I think I'll go out and buy the CD".

Maybe that's too simple a thought but that's the way I see it.

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I hate to admit it,but I think I might side with Hank on this one, only because there's nothing we can really do about the whole music rights issue unless we want to pay 2 or 3 times we currently do for a box set just because of a song or two.

Look at "American Dreams" - $100 for that box set - perhaps the only time it was WORTH IT as you got extra complete performances. But then, I don't think we'll ever see seasons 2 and 3 out on DVD,which is a shame.

I honestly don't think people (Average TV Veiwer/TV Show DVD Buyer who's not a collector like most of us here.) would pay that ($100.00) for UNCUT "WKRP" episodes, and there would be songs anyway that couldn't be cleared no matter what.

I do really wish there was a way we could protest the music and publishing industry over this issue. It's a little crazy,if you ask me. Stuff like wanting to be paid for EACH episode to use the theme in a box set,rather than one fee. Now that's nuts! I do believe the artist, writers, publishers and record lables do deserve a fair and resonable fee for use of their work,but they are holding the studios hostage over DVD. But is it really a surprise after mishandling CD sales (Inflated prices) and digital downlaods (Draging their feet too long before iTunes and other paid services came along.)

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I agree that there is nothing we can do about past shows. But there is no reason that new shows can't get the DVD use rights all settled before they even pick the music for new episodes.

You would think that the produces and studios would know how important this is now. There is no excuse for picking music for a show without getting the DVD rights settled with the music artists from the very beginning.

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Hello Hank, welcome to the HTF. You'll find that a combative tone will take you a shorter distance here than on other forums around the internet. Most of our members frown upon threads started for a purpose other than reasonable discussion.

That said, I agree that given current copyright laws it is unrealistic to expect these shows to arrive unaltered. However, the idea that approved music for a televised show is so difficult to re-approve for recorded media reveals just how convoluted our intellectual property mechanisms have become in this country.

The media providers need to understand when the music becomes an essential element of a property (in which case its loss will affect sales) and when it is simply a case of the purists grumbling. (I am one of those, actually)

In some shows the changes are barely recognizable; for others (Quantum Leap comes to mind) they devalue the show's essential qualities. In both FILM examples above, Wayne's World and Grizzly Man, an essential element was lost (although the rights to the Letterman program in the latter were more than simple "music copyright" issues)

Cheers,

Steve

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Hank,

Which of the greedy studios that are too cheap to give us the uncensored dvds do you work for?

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I think you underestimate the pace at which weekly TV runs - they're often shooting a month and a half or so before an episode airs, and they've got several episodes in various stages of production at once. If they're looking to use a specific song, they might only have time to negotiate the broadcast rights.