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One of the greatest tenors ever.
My Mom and I had the priviledge of meeting him at a record signing at the old Tower records on the UWS of Manhattan a few years back.

Regardless of one's musical listening preference, he had a voice that soared to the heavens, stirred the soul and brought tears to the eyes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ONUCPKdGcrk

RIP, old friend. You will be missed. Thanks for all the music.


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I attended a couple of his performances at the Met and he was a good ambassador for Opera. It’s certainly a sad day.

Now I’m going to write something that some recognize as truth and other will refuse to believe. In the pantheon of operatic tenors, he was average. He had the great fortune of coming onto the stage at the end of what many consider the golden age of opera. The reality is there just weren’t that many good tenors during his career so by default the mass media marketed him as great when that just wasn’t the case. He was good just not great.

Regardless it’s a sad day for opera.

RIP
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When exactly did you see him at the Met? He was at his true prime in the 60's and 70's and was untouchable. Since I see you writing Xbox related posts here at HTF, I doubt you are old enough to have seen one of these performances.

He was far better than just "good" Was he the best who ever lived? No. Many would say Caruso. Some might say Mario Del Monaco.

I would wager that anyone who witnessed his breakthrough performance at the Met in the 1970's in La fille du régiment where he hit 9 high "c's" in one aria, hitting them all, bringing down the house and receiving about 17 curtain calls (MUCH to the chagrin of Joan Sutherland who was the "Star") would disagree that he was just "good" That feat doesn't get duplicated too often, does it?
I believe there is also a d flat in the opera that he nailed.
My Mother was an Opera singer, my father was a voice teacher, I used to study classically (before I gave it up and went back to rock and roll) with a very well respected voice teacher who was very well known in NYC and trained many who wound up as professional opera singers, my mother in law is a music teacher at a university, my father in law was a concert pianist. ALL of these people with much experience and expertise in the field all thought he was more than merely "good".

Technique aside, (and Pavarotti had an enormous range, considerable power and was considered to have pretty much perfect pitch) much of what makes a tenor sound appealing is subjective. Clearly many, many people loved the sound and emotion of his voice when performing. What's "good" to one person here is "great" to another.

But if that's what you think...

nice thing to add to an RIP thread btw...
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Wow! I had no idea He passed away. This is indeed a great loss and He was in fact, Great. Ask anyone to think of an opera singer and his name surely would be uttered 9 out of 10 times as the most recognized opera singer in the World. That's beyond Greatness.
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I've never been a regular listener. But I was just hearing some of his singing on the radio in the background of a news story on his death. What a stunning voice! And a terrible loss to the world.
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I'm sorry to hear the news of his passing. Although I am not a listener of opera, I do recognize the great accomplishments that he has done for opera and music in general. The music world will miss him greatly.

I think I'll give 'Miss Sarajevo' a spin today....
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It's a sad day for sure. Regardless of what one thinks of how good he was as a singer or actor, his greatest accomplishment was certainly bringing an awareness of opera to the modern masses. How many opera singers can the average person name? If they can name anyone, they can name him.

Hope I have something of his here in the office. . .otherwise maybe Rigoletto when I get home.
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Sad.
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Yes, it's sad that he's died, but he did have pancreatic cancer, and at the risk of sounding trite, it's probably a merciful release.

As regards P's legacy, IMHO it depends whether you are primarily an opera or classical music fan. P had an amazing voice and in his prime in some respects he was untouchable. BUT even in his prime he lacked the musicality and insight of his contemporaries, and in those respects, Placido Domingo was superior by miles. Domingo also had the insight to get into the character of the parts he played. I was fortunate to be at the opening night of the now-legendary Edinburgh Festival production of Carmen with Domingo alongside Teresa Berganza and Abbado conducting. The performance was jaw-dropping and at the end there was 45 minutes of standing ovations. I expect nothing in the operatic canon *ever* to match the intensity and purity or that evening. Pavarotti in similar roles could sing prettily, but you never got any psychological insight into what he did.

Now if you are primarily an opera buff, interested in the quality of the voice for its own sake, then none of this denies P's role in the pantheon of the greats. And that's fine. Others (me included, as you'll have gathered) will have a lesser opinion of his status. But one thing all can agree on - he was a good ambassador for music, wasn't stuffy about mixing with pop singers and similar, and brought opera to a much wider audience. So regardless of our opinions of some aspects of his skills, let's acknowledge that nobody is perfect, and allowing for that, give the man the respect he deserves and remember him with fondness and respect.
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With all due respect, I don't think an RIP thread should be used for a debate of the deceased person's abilities. I didn't post this here to venture the question, "How great a singer was Pavarotti? Was He overrated? Who was better?" Those are all valid questions and everyone has differing opinions.
Technically in his prime he was pretty much considered untouchable in power and range. Pavarotti was "king of the high "c"s for a reason. Most tenors dreaded doing even ONE high C in performance. Pavarotti would fire 9 off in a row like he was winging ducks. Whether that impresses one or not is irrelevant. It was a skill that he achieved through training and a god given gift.
As far as artistic interpretation, that is ENTIRELY subjective and while a worthwhile discussion, does not belong here in this partcular thread IMHO.

Usually here at HTF in an RIP thread, people make a comment, relay a story, pay their respects. They don't typically say "Yes, he was good but so and so was better..." It's disrespectful. It would be like when Freddie Mercury died and in an RIP thread for him, people chimed in with "yeah he was a good and important rock singer but I liked Roger Daltrey better..."
It's a bit off topic and almost like a threadcrap.
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My wife was just telling me a couple days ago that she heard he was close to going.

RIP Mr. Pavarotti
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give the man the respect he deserves and remember him with fondness and respect.
Yes, let's do that, and leave the critical evaluation for another day.

M.
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Thanks, Michael. Much appreciated.
My sister and I were just discussing him on the phone. She is back in NYC and feels tremendously sad too. Pavarotti (among others) was kind of the soundtrack to our family growing up what with my family being involved in music, voice. My sister and father met him as well and my mom and sister attended one of his master classes at Julliard.

He touched and moved us all with his voice and love for life and wamth.
she is quite upset today too because most of the early 20-somethings where she works (popular restaurant in NYC) just can't get why she's sad about this.
Their comments range from, "So... What's the big deal" to "He was so fat, I'm amazed he lived this long..."

maybe we're just getting old...

Anyways, once again. Thanks. I am quite sad too as my late father loved him alot and it seems like yet another connection to him and my past has been severed today.

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack

maybe we're just getting old...


No.....they are just shallow and immature and desperately need to grow up a little bit - judging from those comments.
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True. Just a shame is all.

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Actually, I think that if this thread sparks some (respectful) discussion of Pavarotti and his contemporaries, and folks wander by and get a first exposure to opera beyond his personal celebrity, it'd be exactly the sort of epitaph that he would have wanted.
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I agree all for the discussion and even a healthy debate but we should start another thread for that eventually. I feel that it's still a bit too soon after his passing now though as some are a bit emotional.

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I don't think an RIP thread should be used for a debate of the deceased person's abilities.

I'd advise you never to read the UK quality newspapers after someone famous dies. The funeral meats weren't even cooked before the critcism started.
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I'd advise you never to read the UK quality newspapers after someone famous dies. The funeral meats weren't even cooked before the critcism started.
This isn't a UK newspaper. They have their practices; we have ours.

Last word on the subject. The only posts following this one should be memorial tributes.

M.
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Mods, (Michael) Could we just close this thread?

I started it because a singer I greatly admired who contributed immensely to the world in my opinion passed on and I was sad and wanted to say something. Usually RIP threads here at HTF are very respectful and give people here with perhaps similar feelings a chance to express them, share a personal story in regards to how the decesaed affected them or maybe just say a cyber farewell. This is the first one I've seen that has become this way. It's unfortunate and I'd rather just have it closed.

LP RIP You would have loved to see all the people in the streets in Europe who miss you tonite. Farewell.


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Closed at the request of the original poster.

M.
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