So what makes SVS so great?

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Actually, most are well less than 1k and compared to most comparatively prices speakers, the do perform better.

Exactly what specific model are you talking about?

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There was a day that I thought the same way as you. But then I broke down and did it. Now I'm asking myself why I waited as long as I did. Movies have not been the same since.
If I was to try and recommend you a SvS sub I would think you would be looking in the NDS series subs. I would tell you to get the PB12-NSD/2 but I would say call SvS and talk to Eric and let him tell you what would work the best in the budget that you have!.
Just to let you know that I replace my very first sub "a Velodyne CHT12" with 2 klipsch RW-12d that I got a Heck of a deal on "$599 each", I had them for a few days and then SvS had a overstock sale going on the PB12+2. That was good for me because even though the Klipsch had GREAT Spl numbers the port noise was unbearable.
So before I took them back I wanted to see what everyone seen in SvS and I ordered one up. About 7-10 days later "After fighting with the shipping Co. to deliver it to me" It arrived and It was a monster. I'm mean it came on it own frigging Pallet for Christ sakes. My wife "all 110lbs of her" had to help me get this 140lbs thing in the house.
Ok, After about 5 Min's of trying to get it in the house I started unpacking.As soon as I got the box open I seen this white cotton bag. So I take the Styrofoam packing and the bag off and here is this Beautiful Piano Black Lacquer Finnish, I had to stand there and take in that wonderful sight. Next I get in unpacked and hooked it up and from the first test tone I heard those Klipsch was back in there box and in the Tahoe to be returned.
I played with it for a week or so and then I got a great deal on a Velodyne SMS-1 and once I got that thing it was a match made in heaven!
So now did this little run down of my experience with SvS sway you to go in debt to get one? I'd say probably not but I hope that one day you say to yourself "WTF" and take the plunge. I know that if you do you will ask yourself the same question that I asked myself "Why did I wait this long?". So good luck to you sir and I hope that this little story helps you on your quest for bass.

Shannon

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Hey I did just see this new sub from SvS that might be in your price range.

http://www.svsound.com/CES2007/SVS_S...eriesSheet.pdf

Shannon

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Check out the Hsu subs too. I've got a VTF-2 Mk3 and it makes my house rumble. Especially with B-stock, you can pick up some great bargains. One of the STF line also might just be what you need.

www.hsuresearch.com

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Speakers do tend to hold their value a lot longer than electronics.

If you do waht to pick up a new sub, what can you afford and what size room will you be using it in?

Do it yourself is an option too. Parts Express has several kits that are pretty good prices for what you get.

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The main advantage that SVS has is their actual sub driver. Earlier models were sourced from Destijl Engineering and TC Sounds. Now that they have brought their driver design in house, it has contined to improve. These drivers use a lot of copper in the motor structures to reduce distortion and inducance while still having huge amounts of excursion. Then they pay attention to Hoffman's Iron Law when designing the enclosures.

You want SVS quality but don't have the money? Easy. Buy a quality driver and amp from dozens of manufacturers and build the enclosure yourself. My next sub will look like the JL Audio Gotham but have more performance from much less than the $11,000 MSRP of the Gotham. Add in a couple of 15" TC-3000's and a 2,000w pro amp to get me started. Long term goals are to upgrade to a 3,200w Crown amp with built in DSP. With the Crown amp, drivers and materials for the cabinets, I will have about $1,750 in this sub. That's just an extreme example. There are hundreds of options that can come close to the SVS for only a couple of hundred dollars.

-Robert

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Mikison,
Thats cool an the story was on me. I'm far from being rich but I sure know allot about being broke. You have the right Idea "I guess I could always sell my old DCM subs and help my funds". Thats what allot of us guys have to do to upgrade. Rob petter to Pay paul. LoL. So good luck man. Also if the kidney thing don't work out to well you can always start out selling Plasma @ $75 a whack and you can do it twice a month. thats $150 a month which works out to be $1800 a year. <----There is the extra $$$$ for that SvS and you didn't even have to sell your old speaker's Wait? maybe I need to do that so I can afford a second SvS. Hummmm

Shannon

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I don't think they do. AV123 has in-house financing, but their current subwoofer offerings aren't what you're looking for; they're suited better for music, not movies. They have a subwoofer coming out called the MFW-15 (shipping begins Q4 2007 or later), and it will cost $599. They offer 90 days no cost financing for purchases over $500.

SVS subwoofers, from all I've read about them, seem to be indestructible as long as you don't hit them repeatedly with a sledgehammer . They have been designed not to break because a limiter is installed. I think you would be happy with their least expensive offering, the PB10-NSD for $429+shipping. Hsu Research has great subs too, and their least expensive offering is the STF-1 for $299+shipping.

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Ask on AVS Forum to see if anyone lives near you with a SVS, Hsu Research or Elemental Designs sub. Give it a shot here, too.

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Not at all. If you are used to listening to "car bass" then you will be underwhelmed by the quality bass from a properly integrated SVS (or Hsu or any other quality sub) because it does not stand out. The "chest thump" is an unnatural hump in the response around 50 to 60 hz. I used an EQ to remove that from my room response. You really won't know that I have a sub until it is call upon like on War of the Worlds or Lord of the Rings. Then the 2,000w plus amp will come to life for a split second and the two 15" subs will shake the entire concrete foundation of my house. Then it is back silent until needed again.

-Robert

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I just bought the cheapest ($499, b-stock, model 25-31 pci) one they sell and it is head and tails above any sub I have ever owned, worth ever cent. Customer service is first rate too, in this day and age, you actually get to speak to an english speaking gentleman who is really in the united states, crazy I know...I highly recommend SVS!

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So you will settle for much worse because you don't want to get the least expensive of the best? Uhhhh . . . ok. Sorry, but I don't understand that at all.

PS - Noticed I said "least expensive" instead of "cheapest". There is nothing "cheap" about any SVS. Each price level offered by SVS is easily among the best bang for the buck in it's class.

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FWIW Mike I once compared side-by-side the SVS PC 25-31 to my $2500 top of the line Velodyne ULD18-II and it held it's ground. The Velodyne certainly had benefits over the SVS, which also cost 1/5 the price, but the SVS actually had better extension. Plus, SVS has updated the drivers at least twice since then.

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I don't wanna be the asshole here, but why ask a question about subs when you're not even able to put gas in your car? Instead of asking the nice people here for their advice or their opinions on a certain brand of subs you should be using the search button and reading what other people have to say about SVS and you'll see that almost everybody thinks SVS makes bad-ass subs that are impossible to beat for the money.

I understand that people are suppose to be able to ask questions here, but normally they are planning on purchasing the item in question not just asking for the sake of it. Or to use this medium to tell people how broke you are.

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Hey, I research about products before I buy them also; however, I do a lot of searches before I ask questions, and read a lot of threads.

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Mikieson;

Notwithstanding all of your concerns, I would strongly suggest just waiting it out until you are ready to purchase what you really want [after your research] Maybe it's SVS, maybe not. But I can tell you from experience, you'll ultimately spend more if you buy based on price rather than quality. I am now looking to replace my Yamaha RX-V2500 [not even a year old] because I cheaped out on the 2600 and now need HDMI switching. I'm now emotionally preparing for that confused, disapproving look I am sure to get when I try to explain this one to my wife.

Gunny

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HDMI is necessary to utilize the HD audio formats used by HD DVD and Blu Ray, unless you want to use the 7/5.1 analog outs, which don't even exist on some players. Also, HDMI is required for copy protection purposes, and although current HD players can output HD over component, any current upscaling of SD DVD or any future protected HD media require HDMI. Personally, if I were buying today, I wouldn't get any receiver that didn't have full HDMI capabilities.

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I have to agree with Robert J on this one. Car audio is far different than Home Theater. Bass in music especially hip hop and rap are often mixed to be over emphasized almost bordering on unnatural. A car is not tooled and tuned for acoustic response. I don't care how much you've spent on amps and speakers for your car its distorted, unnatural overly extended bass. A good sub like SVS in home theater adds emphasise but doesn't overly do it and sounds natural. Two completely different animals. Find someone with an SVS and listen to Lord of The Rings or the opening battle scene from Master and Commander and you'll see what we're talking about.

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Tree Beard walking will more than shake and rattle your home. It will stress it when pumped out by an SVS.